[i]a) I'm all for people who live in Scotland to engage regardless of whether they are Yes/No, but if I don't like their common sense responses, then why shouldn't I ignore them.[/i]
FTFY
ft on the upsides for scotland
not quite the gravitas of chewks somethingion
https://www.ft.com/content/1219f41c-4456-11e6-9b66-0712b3873ae1
I suspect that Nicola's persuasion tactics won't work as well on Theresa as they did on Dave:
Regarding the deficit...
In 2010, the UK's deficit was over 10%. Did this somehow disqualify the UK from being a viable country? Also, did the UK govt in 2010 identify £153 bn worth of spending cuts?
So the question right now isn't what spending cuts do you make to reduce Scotland's deficit to zero. It's who would you rather have doing something about it over 5-10 years?
kimbers - Member
ft on the upsides for scotlandnot quite the gravitas of chewks somethingion
https://www.ft.com/content/1219f41c-4456-11e6-9b66-0712b3873ae1
What's the jist, i'm stuck behind their paywall, must have read this month quota.
But if we get lumbered with WTO tarrifs once the UK leaves the EU, and then Scotland does manage to get back into the EU, it will then be subject to WTO tarrifs to trade with the UK, which is a much bigger percentage of its trade than with the EU.
Not followed this thread and fairly apolitical so a genuine question:
If Scotland went independant and stayed in the EU, couldnt they pinch all the financial services that alledgedly were going to move to Dublin/Paris post brexit?
HIGNFY et al. must be loving some of the soundbites coming out today, if this carries on they can sack the scriptwriters and videotape the news 😆
What's the jist, i'm stuck behind their paywall, must have read this month quota.
Getting swift EU accession, wooing , finance* from London to Edinburgh- RBS, Scottish pound able to respond to oil price better, but would need to be low corp tax etc to compete
* Could also be very good for Scottish uni's to attract EU students and research funding, convince Nissan to move their factory a wee bit further north etc
Richmtb, there is nothing Inconsisent about understanding the FUNDAMENTAL difference between the EU and the UK and the EU and the EZ. Simple comparisons between being part of the EU and part of the UK are misleading, particularly in the Scottish context
Membership of the EZ: total folly
Membership of the EU x EZ: total sense
Membership of the Union: total sense
Independence: much less sense but ok
"Independence (sic) plus EZ: extreme folly
kimbers - Member
What's the jist, i'm stuck behind their paywall, must have read this month quota.Getting swift EU accession, wooing , finance* from London to Edinburgh- RBS, Scottish pound able to respond to oil price better, but would need to be low corp tax etc to compete
Who wants to go to Scotland? You might as well move to Faroe Islands.
* Could also be very good for Scottish uni's to attract EU students and research funding, convince Nissan to move their factory a wee bit further north etc
EU students and research funding will not be enough feed the Scottish people ... you want to starve the Scots? 😆
Nissan to move to Scotland so they can sell to the South i.e. England and Wales ... just put 200% tariff tax on them then see them scream. 😆
[i]HIGNFY et al. must be loving some of the soundbites coming out today, if this carries on they can sack the scriptwriters and videotape the news [/I]
ditto the Daily Mash
[i]Who wants to go to Scotland? You might as well move to Faroe Islands.[/I]
Says a man who lives in Newcastle...
I love it when a plan comes together
Brexit
Independant Scotland
Free Yorkshire
As you were
@TurnerGuy yes my point exactly a few pages ago.
An iS has WTO tariffs with EU (20% of exports) until it can rejoin
After rejoining it has WTO tariffs with the UK (80% of exports)
Kimbers you CANNOT have a finance industry without a central bank and regulator. The SNP proposed neither back in 2012-14. I don't see how an iS can keep financial services it has never mind get more. Scotland also has no banks, HBOS and RBS are effectively rUK banks now.
Getting swift EU accession, wooing , finance* from London to Edinburgh- RBS, Scottish pound able to respond to oil price better, but would need to be low corp tax etc to compete
Edinburgh's main area of expertise is asset management (incl private equity) which isn't significantly affected by Brexit, it is nowhere in the other areas and its restaurants aren't good enough.
given some of your misapprehensions of Scots and Scotland.
@gordi well 55.7% of Scots agreed with me on the wisdom of Independence
@mefty as I said last time I have zero interest in part of my pension being managed by a company in an iS. I need to look at moving it now as a contingency.
SNPs plan is obviously to go for continued membership(the spanish can't knock back entry if we don't leave). hence wanting it done within a certain window. So your 2nd option is what they want.teamhurtmore - Member
Richmtb, there is nothing Inconsisent about understanding the FUNDAMENTAL difference between the EU and the UK and the EU and the EZ. Simple comparisons between being part of the EU and part of the UK are misleading, particularly in the Scottish contextMembership of the EZ: total folly
Membership of the EU x EZ: total sense
Membership of the Union: total sense
Independence: much less sense but ok
"Independence (sic) plus EZ: extreme folly
Which also nullifies threats that England would lock Scotland into WTO tariffs. If it did that, it would be forcing itself to work across europe on WTO terms.
b r - Member
Who wants to go to Scotland? You might as well move to Faroe Islands.
Says a man who lives in Newcastle...
We are at the front line with Hadrian wall to shield us from any invading force from the North. 😆
Sky Customers in Scotland.
Should there be another Referendum
Yes: 35%
No: 60%
DK: 5%
Jamba - do you have a link? All I can find is ths one:
http://news.sky.com/story/british-public-opposes-second-scottish-referendum-sky-data-poll-10800987
SNPs plan is obviously to go for continued membership
Unfortunately, the European Commission torpedoed that one almost immediately after Sturgeon's speech.
In terms of economy and trade, in the EU and not in the UK is the worst position on offer. In the EU and in the UK is better still but that boat has sadly sailed.
#jambafacts 😆
actual numbers for scotland (though i don't think the sample size can lead to valid conclusions either way.)
As you may know, the First Minister of Scotland has called for a second Scottish independence referendum. Do you think there should or should not be a second Scottish independence referendum?
weighted 89
unweighted 272
edit: Should not 53%
edit: Should 46%
Don't know 2%
Sturgeon succeeded in girding the loins of the opposition, Brexit Bill has been passed overturning Lords's amendments.
@seaso lots of routes to the WTO inc EU forcing UK into that corner for self preservation (ie trying to dissuade other EU nations from leaving) and of course my view that WTO is fhe best prgagmatic options as wasting time with the EU is exactly that. Rescources best spent elsewhere, eg US, Canada, Australia, NZ, Commonwealth.
My point is don't assume WTO will be as a rsult of May / Westminster
This is typical of the sort of press each colony got as it sought independence. Look familiar?
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How many have failed?
jamba, i don't think WTO will be the outcome for uk/europe and i don't think it'd be the outcome for scotland/ruk either. Much is made of the 46bn to ruk from scotland. not much said about the 50odd billion from ruk to scotland.
WTO isn't in anyones interest.
I was just commenting on the threat of, and the tactics better together 2 will employ.
jambalaya - Member
...Scotland also has no banks, HBOS and RBS are effectively rUK banks now.
Oh no, you're wrong Jamba, they're Scottish now that they're losing propositions. 🙂
chewkw - Member
We are at the front line with Hadrian wall to shield us from any invading force from the North.
I think the Northumbrians will be migrating north rather than south. What have you got against them? 🙂
Sturgeon succeeded in girding the loins of the opposition, Brexit Bill has been passed overturning Lords's amendments.
Through the lords as well without a division, no opposition, chewk is shouting FREEDOM somewhere.
This is typical of the sort of press each colony got as it sought independence. Look familiar?
Sounds about right. But are you able to evidence that's real, has all the hallmarks of some shit shared on Fartbook or ****ter.
Genuine interest, never really tracked down old press releases to see what was said.
piemonster - Member
This is typical of the sort of press each colony got as it sought independence. Look familiar?
Sounds about right. But are you able to evidence that's real, has all the hallmarks of some shit shared on Fartbook or ****ter.
Personally I have no proof, but it is very like the sort of stuff I heard being said about the various East African countries when I lived there.
Similar stuff was also published about Papua and New Guinea when it was getting its independence from the Australian govt.
Be tempting to see what could be found in on-line archives for each colony.
[url= http://www.belfasttelegraph.co.uk/news/northern-ireland/sinn-fein-demands-border-poll-in-wake-of-sturgeons-call-for-second-scottish-independence-referendum-35526368.html ]Meanwhile Ireland is warming up too[/url]
jambalaya - Member
Sky Customers in Scotland.Should there be another Referendum
Yes: 35%
No: 60%
DK: 5%
Jambafactual distortions of the truth aside
Doesn't that imply that the turnout will be lower which would favour the indies
[I]Should there be another Referendum[/I]
Surely the question that should've been asked was "if there was another referendum how would you vote?".
@kimbers its a survey of Sky customers in Scotland, simple question 3 possible answers Yes/No/Don't Know.
That seems the right question as Sturgeon is asking Parliament whether she can hold a do-over
@zigzagbyes tha's it, I didn't have a link as I just posted what they put up on the screen during the news
Joe, you are having a laugh if you reckon you at getting option 2!
chewk is shouting FREEDOM somewhere.
I can hear him from here 🙂
@seaso those trade figures £50bn from Scotland to the UK just make no sense whatsoever. We never got to the bottom of them last time round but there is must be a massive does of bollix in the counting I assume with regard to the treatment of oil or similar.
That seems the right question as Sturgeon is asking Parliament whether she can hold a do-over
She wasn't really asking
The genies out of the bottle now, (Mays ill conceived speech a few weeks ago after months of pushing a hard Brexit made this inevitable)
May can try and say no, but it would be beyond hypocritical for her to deny them after they vote for it at holyrood.
The best she can hope is that in this one the electorate really do listen to the experts.
I think Ruth Davidson is going to be very busy, I can't for the life of me think who will be heading up the In campaign, Corbyn as committal as he was to Brexit, the Brexiteer Tories as toxic as conceivable , Scottish labour burnt by the last ref....
Farage is free at the moment.... 😉
Trump will be visiting next year, the sight of May or her Maj toadying up to the orange one will be enough to alienate any wavering voters
jamba, the numbers are fairly irrelevant to the point(tbh i just plucked them from memory), which is that there's trade in both directions, so benificial to all to make that as painless as possible.
The most recent Scottish government figures, not including oil and gas, show Scotland sold £50.5bn in goods and services to the rest of the UK in 2013. The rest of the UK sold £62.7bn in goods and services to Scotland.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-28916642
teamhurtmore - Member
Joe, you are having a laugh if you reckon you at getting option 2!
we'll see how it plays out...
interesting numbers actually when you look at this
Below is a list showcasing 15 of United Kingdom’s top trading partners in terms of export sales. That is, these are countries that imported the most UK shipments by dollar value during 2016. Also shown is each import country’s percentage of total UK exports.United States: US$60.4 billion (14.8% of total UK exports)
Germany: $43.6 billion (10.7%)
France: $25.9 billion (6.3%)
Netherlands: $25.6 billion (6.3%)
Ireland: $22.9 billion (5.6%)
Switzerland: $18.9 billion (4.6%)
China: $18 billion (4.4%)
Belgium: $15.8 billion (3.9%)
Italy: $13.1 billion (3.2%)
Spain: $12.7 billion (3.1%)
United Arab Emirates: $9 billion (2.2%)
Hong Kong: $8.8 billion (2.2%)
Japan: $6.4 billion (1.6%)
Canada: $6.2 billion (1.5%)
Sweden: $6.1 billion (1.5%)
http://www.worldstopexports.com/united-kingdoms-top-import-partners/
scotland would be one of rUKs biggest export markets.
So Newsnight have two foreign born MP's telling us that we can't have a referendum. WTF has it to do with them.
Maybe we need somebody from UKIP on there telling 'em to go home.
🙂
[url= http://www.sinnfein.ie/contents/43859 ]Sinn Feinn calling for a referendum[/url] too.
Irish politics is about to get far more interesting than Scottish... 🙂
[url= http://www2.partyof.wales/scotref ]Oops! And the Welsh.[/url]
Just need Cornwall and Yorkshire to chime in now.
Great so now it eirexshit and wrexshit
Oops! And the Welsh.
Eh? They voted [b]for[/b] Brexit!
