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I find it depressing quite how ingrained the sense of entitlement is....
But Matt ....it hasn't got 4 rings or a VW badge couldn't possibly be seen in that plus bigger cars are safer.
I find it depressing quite how ingrained the sense of entitlement is….
I know - all these pedestrians that somehow think it’s therefore god given right to use the pavement...
I’d have one of those Renault things. What are they called and how much?
I know – all these pedestrians that somehow think it’s therefore god given right to use the pavement…
I'm sure you'd be even happier if everyone decided to just walk everywhere on the road.
Ita a twizzy and when I looked at them they were about £6500+ battery rental
Great fun when we had a short hire of one in the Alps.
50mph top speed and you sit fighter pilot style. Our had no doors .
Fitted end on into tiny spaces behind normal cars taking up about half the space.
I do think we will start to see a shift to eBikes, eScooters and twizzy like cars. I had a go in a twizzy - in the back seat! It went like a rocket, felt fun and fast, had boot space and use back seat.
A new/modern Twizzy or three wheel eScooter would be brilliant for many.
I may have a job change shortly - and a Twizzy would be amazing...
Imagine all those pictures with mk2 Escorts for the cars - there would be so much more room...
A Twizzy would be great for the commute and a solution for parking on the street except it’ll need charging so only those with a drive will have one, they’re not the ones that need one though as they have a drive.....
“I’ve bought a car too big to park on the road outside my house.”
“Park somewhere else instead.”
“How dare you! I didn’t buy a car with the intention of walking to my house.”
Repeat a couple of million times.
And this is between 2 rather large towns, barely 10 miles apart, in a well polulated area of Kent.
Anybody else making that journey around the same time?
Perhaps if we made the public transport any good wed use it! Experience today, ****ing shite!
And of course the people living in these houses (which are now worth nothing) will need to buy a new house with parking. But they can’t becuase their current house is worth pennies…
Strange conclusion to reach.
The proportion of people living and working in cities is ever increacing. There's probably more jobs within walking distance of those houses than there were when they were built.
I suspect what would really happen is prices on the whole would rise as people move back towards living closer to work for at least one member of the household rather than the recent phenomenon of having two cars and two commutes.
Perhaps if we made the public transport any good wed use it! Experience today, **** shite!
Problem is a lack of demand becaue people are allowed to park a car wherever is convenient for them. As TJ has repeatedly pointed out, if parking was actually done more considerate for other people then using a car would become the less convenient option.
Just imagine how good the bus service would be if the street you talked about with hundreds of cars that had to be parked on the pavement was populated instead by hundreds of bus users, theres be a bus every few minutes to meet demand!
the pavement was populated instead by hundreds of bus users, theres be a bus every few minutes to meet demand!0
Sorry pal, its just shite. I've tried today as I've tried many a time. Just leaving the pub now. Daughter is primed to pick us up at 8pm in our shared car. That's 3 of us on the same policy using it to get about. We could walk the mile home but bollox to it, I cant be arsed. As I said right at the top of this thread, urban utopia would be lovely but it's just a pipe dream. We will however not increase our usage and park our one car in the drive. Have a good weekend.
We could walk the mile home but bollox to it, I cant be arsed.
Lovely story. What does this have to do others blocking pavements?
Lovely story. What does this have to do others blocking pavements?
Read from the start if you can be arsed. Just my take on tj's urban utopia
There no taxis between those two towns either ? Another solution to the occasional impossible journey.
I have to walk a mile to get a bus(or more often I lock my pub bike to a tree near the stop) It's still easier than fighting my way to the town centre in the car.
OK, how many on here have big mahoosive SUV's ?. I managed to drive round Wales last weekend in the typical style of the bikes are worth more than the car. 19 year old saloon (boot, not hatch) moving 4 big trail bikes on the roof, plus 4 blokes and kit. Didn't need a 4x4 as we were all quite comfy, and even the beige interior survived.
Quote the I need a van/truck/camper threads... no you don't.
Perhaps if we made the public transport any good wed use it! Experience today, **** shite!
I understand your frustrations with public transport. I have never owned a car, neither has my wife, nor my adult children. We cycle and use public transport where necessary, it can be done. However, whilst waiting 20mins for a bus can be irritating, how is it any better getting your daughter to come and collect you? Surely she will have spent far more of her time than you’ve saved? Then there is the time spent at work needed to afford the car.
I have a massive van.
I certainly don't park it on the pavement even when I'm out and about.
Tbh in your world k wouldn't want to walk a mile either. Probably end up having to walk down the road because all the cars on the pavement
We could walk the mile home but bollox to it, I cant be arsed.
Future person: And this kids, is why the polar bear went extinct.
Interesting thread. I'm 42 yr old and live in Tooting, London. I have not owned a car for 22 years and love not having a car. I travel all around the UK often. I use trains a lot and tend to put my bike on the train. I am also a big kitesurfer and put my kit on the train and walk at the other end to the beach, it's a pretty small country after all!. I'm saddened by the entitlement of most drivers to think they can drive and park anywhere. It's not hard "not owning" a car.
We have a small primary school that has a small cut through to the street that the school is on from our cul-de-sac. Every morning we have hundreds of cars descend into our street so parent’s and carers can drop their kids off. Now I know some parents continue on to work but most drive back home on the estate. The worst is when the grandparents descend 1hr before the school releases the kids so they can get the best parking spot! FFS. I have parked my car across the road blocking them all in when my drive has been blocked by the inconsiderate barstools. An abandoned car across the exit soon gets them moving.
I have parked my car across the road blocking them all in when my drive has been blocked by the inconsiderate barstools.
Strange thing to do!.. Hence why I love not owning a car and all the little entitlement that comes with it.
Another former Sheffield resident, I just used to park on another street.
I also used to go to work by public transport. Always seemed quite decent to me. Better than driving.
Interesting thread. I’m 42 yr old and live in Tooting, London. I have not owned a car for 22 years and love not having a car. I travel all around the UK often. I use trains a lot and tend to put my bike on the train. I am also a big kitesurfer and put my kit on the train and walk at the other end to the beach, it’s a pretty small country after all!. I’m saddened by the entitlement of most drivers to think they can drive and park anywhere. It’s not hard “not owning” a car.
I think it can be hard at times. I remember when my children were 1 and 3 years old, getting on and off the bus with one child on my shoulder, a folded buggy, the hand of the elder child and trying to pay our fare. But, most of the time a car is not necessary and the examples people give of things they could not do without a car are ridiculous. Day to day a car can make life a lot easier; it’s just the considerable downsides are well hidden. Thinking of those times, it’s similar to disposable nappies; people I know thought we were crazy for using terry nappies - but unless we do what we can, things will only get worse.
I’m rambling now, so I’ll stop.
I can only see it getting worse as new cars just keep getting wider and wider and now even make a big old station wagon look small.
Maybe ban wide cars.
Well ~Danny - I looked on google streetview at the roads you mention. Many of them are plenty wide enough for a car each side and one to drive down the middle - and oddly enough many cars parked completely on the road. Some of the smaller roads had pavement parkers - and yes - not enough room for a wheelchair, a blind person with a dog or an elderly person who needs a steadying hand to walk on the pavements let alone a double buggy.
Also oddly enough loads of room not far away to park.
So that is a classic example of car drivers convenience in parking near their house completely outweighing the rights of vulnerable people to walk safely down the street
Round by me we have some very small streets where the pavement are completely blocked by cars forcing you to walk up the street - where I have been hooted at by car drivers for daring to walk up the street ( dunno where i was supposed to go)- and funnily enough with a few hundred yards are literally hundreds of spaces to park
Wrightyson - you cannot have it both ways - ts either crowded urban areas where parking is at a premium or out in the sticks where parking is easy.
I’m lucky we have grass to the side of our drive that I will be flagging for my lads car.
This is not the solution either imho and measures will need to be taken to prevent the massive increase in people doing this, as has been suggested above. Water run off is an issue, leading to increased flooding iirc. It takes a parking space available to all and restricts who can use it, causing an even greater parking problem. Also, it looks terrible - small gardens that used to have flowerbeds and bushes etc now littered with bloody ugly cars. Those of us who walk from A to B if they are anything like me, prefer to do so in more pleasant surroundings.
@tjagain. You actually need to visit them to get a real sense. None of the roads behind Hillsborough Stadium for example are nearly wide enough.
Many of the nearby roads you mention have heavy parking restrictions and around the Woodseats area its resident’s only parking so you can’t just rock yo on the nice wide street a couple of roads down.
But anyway - to wrap up. I absolutely agree car ownership is too high. No doubt about it and it needs to be much much lower for all manner of reasons. But as I say without a viable alternative my car isn’t going anywhere
I also agree that it’s easy enough for an individual to park elsewhere and walk a bit although even in individual cases this isn’t always possible.
However to tackle car ownership will take far more than banning parking on pavements and when you look at the numbers as a whole and not just addressing a specific person - there’s too many cars to fit in too few streets which are wide enough to have them parked entirely on the road.
Hello.
Just dropping in to add to what I'm going to assume is a respectful and well thought out discussion.
Here's what I'd like to say: I hope that the Scottish Govt will be penalising the people who park on the pavement in my village by vapourising their cars.
Bye!
However to tackle car ownership will take far more than banning parking on pavements
Surely this measure was not brought in to tackle car ownership, but to tackle the hugely antisocial problem of pavement parking.
Yeah tbh I couldn't give a **** if they stacked the antisocial cars parked on the pavement on top of each other in cube form and made them all walk.
So long as I don't have to push my daughter out into the road unnecessarily/or watch someone else's son/daughter wheel their wheel chair out into the road.
Danny - so what about those disabled, the blind, the elderly, young mum ( or dad) with the double buggy? Do they have to be put in danger just so People can park near their house? Loads of examples of blocked pavements where a blind person or a wheelchair user could not get past
And I checked carefully - plenty of roads with no parking restriction around there that are wide enough.
Tj you're just arguing (not like you 🙄) for the sake of arguing now. Danny has given a load of examples of tight streets yet in your wisdom you know them and the area better than him, the bloke lived there ffs. Theres too many cars, some people are selfish dicks, I think that's how most car/driving threads end up on here and it's a pretty sound conclusion.
wrightyson - and two other people that lived there say different - and its actually an area I know.
I still want to know why in your and his book the convenience of car drivers trumps the safety of the vulnerable
I never once stated that. Anybody who blocks a footpath is a dick. People who bump up the kerb to make life easier are doing just that, but you'd have all their cars crushed for doing so. That's where I'm at and will stay at
Yes you have tho wrightyson. By saying people should be allowed to park cars on pavements you are saying the safety of the vulnerable does not matter compared to the convenience of car drivers. Parking on pavements blocks pavements.
Edit - you defended Dannys position where the photos posted clearly show pavements that are blocked to vulnerable users.
Meanwhile despite the talk from Holyrood, bus travel down 10 pecent car travel up 5 percent. People may talk green but the convenience of the car can't be matched by public transport.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-43225271
That's fine it's Convienant. So long as they don't park on the pavement.
It should not be Convienant at the expense of those who walk by choice or necessity.
If folk applied rule 1 to their parking we wouldn't be having this conversation.
The problem is no one has nipped it in the bud and now it's an epidemic.
As shown by this thread people feel that parking is a God given right at the expense of anything....and that's on a cycling forum. What chance have we got against a street of gammons who believe the space out side their house is theirs.
Meanwhile despite the talk from Holyrood, bus travel down 10 pecent car travel up 5 percent. People may talk green but the convenience of the car can’t be matched by public transport.
Generally because bus services are a bit shite, because they know there's a whole tranche of society who will not be separated from their cars, so there's no bloody point putting loads of services on.....
you are saying the safety of the vulnerable does not matter
No I'm not, See the bit where I said people who "block" pavements are dicks.
There's no reasoning with you so I can't be arsed. And just so you know I'll continue to pull up on the kerb without blocking the pavent where 25 years of driving experience has led me to believe it's needed.
Needed? For your convenience others must suffer? Very nice. Its never "needed" its only ever for convenience and yes you are doing and saying that - you agreed with Danny when his pictures clearly show pavements blocked
That's ok. Your living in englandshire This is a Scottish thing.
The issue is that laws have to be black and white. If they are not people will continue to push boundaries and argue the toss.
So what they have done makes absolute sense.