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Yes needed tj, which part of your brain doesnt understand that? If the pavement is narrow I wouldn't do it because that would block the pavement (see earlier post) if by bumping up the kerb it increases carriage way room then how is that not a good thing?
As for Danny's photos I was in the pub and didn't particularly scrutinise them.
How is it "needed" You can always park somewhere less convenient for you or narrow the roadway. Your cnvenience to park or your wish to not inconvenience other car drivers is not a need.
As I said the law needs to be black and white because it's in people's nature to take the piss for their convienance.
If it's not black and white tickets won't stand and the rules not worth the paper it's written on.
So if this is the rule then don't be surprised if you venture north do it and get a ticket.
There are alternatives they just involve people changing - I know that's hard for people to process.
so go on wrightyson 0- describe or show a google link where pavement parking is a need not a choice
Surely if it was needed there wouldn't be a pavement just marked bay parking ?
Just mandate a minimum pavement width - not necessarily wide enough for a double width buggy though - they can use a buggy with the seat inline 🙂
easy to police
I’ll continue to pull up on the kerb without blocking the pavement
For your convenience others must suffer? Very nice.
Who are these people “suffering“ if the pavement isn’t blocked ?
People who love looking at kerbs maybe ?
Turnerguy what about the elderly person that needs support? They need to walk two abreast. Or the blind person with a dog - they need more width. Or the blind person needing a stick - the stick would miss the parked car and the person walk straight into the car
Who are these people “suffering“ if the pavement isn’t blocked ?
People who love looking at kerbs maybe ?
Prams /wheelchairs/blind/old people folk with shopping trollys /folk walking with toddlers etc etc
The question is more where are these massive pavements on narrow roads that have room to spare.
The bigger question is who is going to enforce this?
Without enforcement the legislation is meaningless and right now its either Police Scotland (who frankly don't care) or, where decriminalised, wardens who only seem to operate in major town and city centres.
There is a lot local authorities could be doing about this but choose not to, like making one way systems where possible. Instead they hide behind crap excuses like "local road miles" and Police have to be present every morning to ensure folk don't just use the pavement as a road to get through. Use of automat parking like in Japan (stack em up) is perfectly viable in city centres but then if we can't implement idea from across the North Sea what chance have we got of the other side of the world?
Prams /wheelchairs/blind/old people folk with shopping trollys /folk walking with toddlers etc etc
He said he would do it without blocking the pavement.
Are you just presuming he’s a liar.
All over York there are roads with huge pavements and fairly borrow roadways by the way. I used to live on one when I lived in York. If everyone put 2 wheels on the kerb, cars could get by easier, and a couple of buggies 2 a breast could still get down the pavement.
TJ will want documented evidence of that very road or it doesn't exist.
Turnerguy what about the elderly person that needs support? Or the blind person with a dog
I bet that they are not actually as wide as a double width buggy
The bigger question is who is going to enforce this?
traffic warden on a bike - pretty easy to whizz round the town checking everywhere, stopping to check the odd suspect pavement clearance and issue a warning, or check if they have violated the 3-times-and-your-car-gets-crushed rule.
Can pull over traffic-light running cyclists in his spare time...
I already know folk locally who ignore the 20mph speed limit as they 'know' it doesn't get enforced.
I also had a wee chat with my wife who (much as I love her) is a typical school run mum, she just couldn't compute my suggestion that she might have to park more than 20m away from the nursery. Was outraged at the thought in fact. She did point out that walking further would take longer and our mornings are already pretty tight (ALWAYS running for the train...). My suggestion that she got up earlier went down like a cup of cold sick...
I guess my point is a lot of sh1tty parking and driving behaviour could be explained by people being in a such a rush all the time, and I firmly believe that's a cultural/lifestyle decision that will take time to resolve. We're always rushed as the only way we could afford a house (3 bed semi) was to move out of town, hence 1hr commute either way. I suppose we could have chosen to stay in town and not be in such a hellish rush every day, but then we would have ended up in a shoebox flat and worrying about noisy student neighbours, blah blah blah. A separate debate probably..
Are you just presuming he’s a liar.
One person’s “not blocked” is another person’s “I can squeeze through there”, and “twenty five years of driving experience” might equate to “zero years of using an electric wheelchair on pavements experience”.
Good to see this thread going down the typical STW rabbit hole...
No-one every parked in France?
I don't see why you all get so et-up about parking.
You can't enforce it, the Police won't enforce it and the Councils DGAS about it, certainly not in Towns and Villages.. Cities maybe, because thats an easy earner for them innit.
I bet that they are not actually as wide as a double width buggy
When you are walking with an elderly person that needs support you have to walk side by side and you need a bit of clearance each side for a stagger, stumble or slip. If yo are squeezed against a wall or towards kerb edge it makes falls more likely
this is part of why I feel so strongly about this is that I do and have done this and found my way made awkward by cars parked on the pavement. Same with pushing someone in a wheelchair
A blind person using either a dog or a cane needs a bit of extra width as well and will sometimes follow the pavement edge to locate themselves.
Good to see this thread going down the typical STW rabbit hole…
Yep, this is all-time classic STW, and not in a good way.
traffic warden on a bike – pretty easy to whizz round the town checking everywhere, stopping to check the odd suspect pavement clearance and issue a warning, or check if they have violated the 3-times-and-your-car-gets-crushed rule.
Can pull over traffic-light running cyclists in his spare time…
Hypothetically, yes. I would be fine with that.
But today?
We've been waiting for years for decriminalisation in North Ayrshire and it always seems to be happening "next year". Given how cash strapped councils are I'm frankly amazed they haven't pounced on such a money earner yet.
I might buy some shares in the company that makes yellow paint for the lines. I can see a lot of lines going down.
Its never really bothered me before but last year pushing a pram for the first time I realised how annoying it is. I can get round but it would be more difficult for a wheel chair user.
Bring it on!
SK we've had parking decriminalized in the southern shire for a few years now, which is great for the day the traffic warden is around, and maybe a day or so after, but there's only 4 or 5 of them to cover Troon, Ayr and Prestwick. Pissing in the wind, really.
I live in a street adjacent to the town centre, it's 2 hour max (costs me 45 quid a year for a parking pass). Tbh it works a lot better since they introduced the limit, the biggest issue is town centre staff dumping their cars all day, despite the local business association getting the time limit upped from 1 to 2 hours, to get people to spend longer in town.
It's their own bloody staff that park all flippin day.
There's no shortage of free car parks in town, but that would mean walking 3 or 4 minutes. Imagine.
That is exactly the same issue as in Largs. One owner uses her car as a tea room cum smoking shelter with the engine constantly running. From my regular jaunts through Prestwick it is still better though.
There's a section of road where I live that has council parking spaces along a narrow road with an even narrower pavement, anything over normal car width has to either bump onto the kerb, or have their wing mirrors taken off by passing traffic/cause a blockage. the pavement is so narrow that peds can't pass without a person walking into the road anyway, so safety is compromised regardless of cars parked on it, and certainly not wide enough for two folk to walk side by side...
The traffic wardens will happily ticket anything over staying their welcome, but won't do anything about kerbed cars as they know that if it was enforced the road would become quickly impassable. There's a shortage of parking in the town (popular with day trippers) , and this where there is plenty of buses with a good service and a rail station. People use cars too much, it's just got to change.
With modern plasma cutters it should be no problem removing the part of the car on the footpath.
That would learn them...
Trouble is my S80 would end up as a S40 motorbike, because I cannot persuade my wife the car belongs on the road not the footpath.
"But it'll get scraped..."
"That's what insurance is for".