[Closed] School Run driver runs into teacher

Maybe get a friend and experiment, stand facing away from their car while they drive slowly up to you and see how long you can avoid sitting on the bonnet as they nudge the back of your knees.

Don't need to experiment. I know what I would do if a car nudged the back of my knees at a speed so slow it makes other people argue about whether it was moving or not. I would nonchalantly take my hands out of my pockets, and move out of the way.

How fast does a car have to be moving not to push a man forward, but to sweep him up and collect him on the bonnet? Much faster than 0.01 mph, I would offer.

But it's not a relevant experiment, because that's not what happened 🙂

This is all getting close to conveyor belt territory. I am out. (But right.)

It is, you're just not watching closely enough. It's quite subtle but clearly the car does move slightly immediately before he sits on it (I didn't spot it at first, and it's only obvious to me when full screen at full speed, but then the video quality isn't very good). Though as I keep saying watch the legs - there's clear movement indicating contact from the first nudge forwards by the car, before he turns his head.

I'll grab some stills later which should hopefully make it more obvious.

I watched it again (a few times) and I see exactly what Dorset man sea's.
Did it or did it not touch him ... it's impossible to be sure... but the car nudges forwards (hardly ramming) ... does or does not touch him .. and then there is 1/2 sec before he sits down when the car doesn't move at all... then as he sits down the only movement is the car bonnet going down and another 1/2 second then the car sets off

At no point does the car run over him (as claimed by press) and at no point is he flung over the car (as claimed by press) ..or he is mown down....

He doesn't really narrowly miss the kids either... still stupid even without a teacher on the bonnet but he actually seems to have the presence of mind to go round them wide...

What this I suppose means to me is the description of "mows down" and "runs over" is going for a 10/10 malicious act ... setting off with a teacher on the bonnet is stupid but he really shouldn't have sat on the bonnet. We can speculate but I don't think he was SO stupid he would have "rammed" and "mown down" the teacher had the teacher NOT sat on the bonnet...

It's still incredibly STUPID but it's not like he set out to do it... more a stupid reaction than setting out with malicious intent. I'm not excusing the driver... I'm pointing out the difference between someone sitting on your bonnet and having a mad moment and setting out to mow down a teacher.

Has there really been 6 pages of debate as to whether the teacher sits on the car before [and this next bit is what I think is the import part] the man driving the car tries to run him over?

Surely none of standing in front of the car/leaning on the car/sitting on the car should result in having a massive lump of metal smashed in to you and are therefore irrelevant

It was a provocative act by the teacher, personally I like the idea of reversing away from him once he sits on the bonnet and watching him plop onto the ground...i wonder if that's defendable in court?...you could say you were retreating from the situation I suppose...good comedy value in that too.

I think reversing would probably have been okay, as it is what the teacher wanted. I doubt it would have needed defending in court.

Likewise leaning out the window and shouting "Get the * off my ***** car" would also have been effective if a little crass with kids about.

Driving forward put the teachers life at risk though and that's just not on.

Teacher was clearly at fault, he wasn't wearing a high visibility vest, so the driver could not have possibly have known he was stood there.

More seriously, I think the sentence should have been longer, there's clear intent to use the car as a weapon there.

Surely none of standing in front of the car/leaning on the car/sitting on the car should result in having a massive lump of metal smashed in to you and are therefore irrelevant

Not to car zombies, they love a bit of whataboutery.

It was a provocative act by the teacher

Get a grip, he told the guy he wasn't allowed in a place the guy wasn't allowed. That's not provocation, that's doing a job that shouldn't need to be done but does because some (a tiny minority) drivers are selfish, dangerous, disrepsectful, law breaking, road rage...

Has there really been 6 pages of debate

You got to love the argumenteers on here!!

You can't defend the driver, he deserves punishment. Standing in front of a car whilst escalating an argument is just plain darwinism though.

We can speculate but I don't think he was SO stupid he would have "rammed" and "mown down" the teacher had the teacher NOT sat on the bonnet...

The sitting on the car was provocative not the instruction to park elsewhere...for most people a car is the second most expensive thing they buy after a house...naturally people don't like others sitting on it...did the driver do the right thing?...of course not, he flipped his lid and lost control...was the teacher being a tit?...yep, if he feels that strongly about parking there call the police or get bollards put up that teachers have passes for...he went all Billy big bo##ocks and didn't expect a more aggressive person to be up against him...lesson for everyone; don't get into spats with people you know nothing about, if you fancy yourself as some kind of enforcer get to the local boxing/martial arts gym and let it out that way instead.

Jesus, some threads on here are baying for blood when a mountain bike returns from a service with a slight scratch or if it's delivered with less than perfect paint...i can almost understand getting angry at someone sitting on my car... if iI didn't drive a shed of a vehicle.

Just indulge in a keyboard rant rather than do your job eh, deviant.

The main lesson here is:

Use your car as weapon: expect 10 months in jail even if you don't hurt anyone (much).

That's good.

if you fancy yourself as some kind of enforcer get to the local boxing/martial arts gym and let it out that way instead

Lots of us enforce rules for safety where children , or others, are concerned or basically we just do our job.
DO we all have to head off down the dojo now?As for go all billy big whatever all he did was stop someone from parking illegally in an illegal place in an illegal car and potentially endangering children in the process. I mean who wants teachers like that eh....****ers the lot of them. You are correct on one thing this thread is full of incredible over reactions to things. I dont think your post redressed this.
I once had someone jump on my bonnet then scream through the windscreen i will give you pain.On exciting he was simply restrained till the police arrived. He ended up crying for his mum - he was about 45 and I was in my twenties.I guess i should have shown him thing or two about violence rather than compassion FOrgive me STW I know not what i do. Its just a car. Its replaceable people are not.

Only a ****ing idiot would give a toss about the car.

deviant - Member

The sitting on the car was provocative not the instruction to park elsewhere...for most people a car is the second most expensive thing they buy after a house...naturally people don't like others sitting on it...

However if someone sits on your wall you don't assault them with a deadly weapon. It's not about the value of the thing, it's about the power the driver wields or rather the sense of entitlement / empowerment the car gives them which is relevant to the next part of your post

he went all Billy big bo##ocks and didn't expect a more aggressive person to be up against him...lesson for everyone; don't get into spats with people you know nothing about, if you fancy yourself as some kind of enforcer get to the local boxing/martial arts gym and let it out that way instead.

I don't think he went for "billy big bollocks" I think he was taking the highground/ doing his job/the right thing but didn't expect anyone would be so unreasonable.

Just indulge in a keyboard rant rather than do your job eh, deviant.

Eh, what's that got to do with anything you retard!?... i work shifts and I'm a day off today...and even if i was at work do you think I'd be allowed to ignore 999 calls to post on STW?

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I think he was taking the highground/ doing his job/the right thing but didn't expect anyone would be so unreasonable

....and that's kind of my point, don't get into spats like this, just call the police, if he's illegally parking then it's a police matter, film it, take photographs as evidence etc...taking the high ground/being right really isn't worth getting into a confrontation for...body vs car, he could've ended up dead, just for trying to enforce a parking rule.. I think it was nobbish behavior from both parties.

if he feels that strongly about parking there call the police or get bollards put up that teachers have passes for.

He really shouldn't have to! It's the schools private land and they have responsibility for the safety of children on it so they are more than entitled to say that randoms can't drive their cars in.

Reading the story, the parents had been told they were not allowed to park their by letter and this particular driver had also been told in person before, but last time he just drove around the teacher and parked anyway.

if you fancy yourself as some kind of enforcer get to the local boxing/martial arts gym

Really? No one should enforce rules unless they can back them up with violence? 😕

deviant - Member

....and that's kind of my point, don't get into spats like this, just call the police, if he's illegally parking then it's a police matter, film it, take photographs as evidence etc...taking the high ground/being right really isn't worth getting into a confrontation for...body vs car, he could've ended up dead, just for trying to enforce a parking rule.. I think it was nobbish behavior from both parties.

I do see your point and it has been discussed on here before. The problem is that particularly in cities people have become a race of entitled self obsessed pricks. People should stand up to them, morally. And if you are going to go out of your way to potentially antagonise a stranger you should be able to deal with the potential violence that arrises.

But I don't believe that's the case here because the teacher was to some extent just doing his job or some aspect of his broader responsibilities.

Really? No one should enforce rules unless they can back them up with violence?

You've watched the video, it could've been much worse, is it worth it?...there are some nutters out there and a healthy amount of caution when entering into an argument is sensible...don't put yourself in front of a car when you're arguing with the driver...im not victim blaming, from what we now know about the driver he seems to have a total disregard for the law...im just saying I wouldn't have put myself in front of the car, it's stupid and smacks of vigilantism.

you retard!?

Try reading again with "ones" job, i.e., the teacher was doing his job, pretty well I thought.

im not victim blaming

You are.

don't put yourself in front of a car when you're arguing with the driver..

Okay. It last time he tried that the driver just drove round him, potentially endangering kids which the teacher has a duty of care to.

So this time he (rightly IMO) took a more direct approach and completely blocked him. As most rational people wouldn't risk ten months in jail over a parking place.

Where he went wrong was sitting on the bonnet (if he did) and not getting out the way when the guy made it clear he would ram him. (Though I can understand why a teacher wouldn't want to back down to a bully in front of the pupils).

it's stupid and smacks of vigilantism.

What? You're the one saying the teacher should have martial arts training so he can dish out a beating to those who don't follow the rules. That sounds a lot more like vigilantism than just standing in the way, doing his job.

What? You're the one saying the teacher should have martial arts training so he can dish out a beating to those who don't follow the rules.

That's not really what he said though.

We had some mad shoot at our Primary. Ended up with cops on a small cul de sac stopping drivers - the guy that caused it was an unemployed layabout (being nice here) that lived less than 2 minutes walk away - he insisted on driving his kids in his beat up car to the school gate.

Most folk would park some distance away or walk. He thought it as some victory when the police had turned up early to stop folk driving down a small street.

Don't under estimate the village idiot !

That's not really what he said though.

He said [i]"if you fancy yourself as some kind of enforcer get to the local boxing/martial arts gym"[/i]

Am I misunderstanding that?

To be honest I'm not entirely sure how effective boxing or martial arts are against cars.

GrahamS - Member

That's not really what he said though.

He said "if you fancy yourself as some kind of enforcer get to the local boxing/martial arts gym"

Am I misunderstanding that?

I'm not sure it's worth pondering deviant's words too deeply when he can just speak for himself but the part I took to be operative or relevant was

he .... didn't expect a more aggressive person to be up against him...lesson for everyone; don't get into spats with people you know nothing about,

and that much I agree with. So he's not saying learn martial arts to beat people up - he's saying if you are going to take a stand against a stranger be prepared for violent consequences.

He really shouldn't have to! It's the schools private land and they have responsibility for the safety of children on it so they are more than entitled to say that randoms can't drive their cars in.

Agree completely, the driver narrowly missed a few kids on bikes on the school property in the midst of the red mist. The teacher was obviously standing there for a reason. Reason being twits driving wherever they like.. If those kids had have been riding a bit faster the driver would have taken them out too.

Then they'd probably get blamed for not wearing helmets and high visibility and having flashing beacons.

You're the one saying the teacher should have martial arts training so he can dish out a beating

No I'm not.

I'm saying if this is the teacher's nature maybe he should go to a gym and let off some steam so he doesn't feel the need to get into a physical confrontation with people he knows nothing about or how they will react.
It's a safety thing, I'm not advocating beating anyone up.

arguments in public

Nah. It's a staff car park. Driver had no right to bully in and run people over.

Teacher had every right to try to get the driver to back off.

Not sure I saw anything from the teacher that suggested he particularly needed to let of steam but okay... so he goes to the gym become a black belt ninja and then what?

His new Zen-self sees the futility of conflict and allows people to break whatever rules they like, even if it means potentially endangering the children under his care?

Or... he now has the skills to launch three shurikens and a Hadouken through the windscreen when the driver gets a bit arsey?

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GrahamS...yeah that's exactly how it turns out
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I can't speak for everyone but if I haven't done some kind of exercise for a few days I become slightly snappy and easily agitated...if I let off some steam I come home a nicer person, more relaxed and more inclined to let things slide rather than irritate me.

It was just a suggestion on how the teacher could conduct himself because standing in front of cars arguing with the driver is a pretty stupid thing to do.

It was just a suggestion on how the teacher could conduct himself because standing in front of cars arguing with the driver is a pretty stupid thing to do.

It's not like the teacher was standing in the middle of a main road causing a nuisance, let's keep this in context.

Reading between the lines I'd hazard a crazy guess that they've had idiots steaming through the car park previously, hence he felt the need to present a human barrier.

He then got run over for his efforts.

Have a word with yourself, and get some counseling.

leffeboy, he was already driving illegally, what would the point of a ban be?

Edit: but we may be missing info. Like with singlespeed man who appears to have got a jail sentence partly because he was so unrepentant, the same may also be the case here

Its exceedingly likely he got a ban as well as his prison sentence extended by half the prison term so it impacts from the point he is released on licence.

According to the story in The Telegraph he plead guilty to causing actual bodily harm, dangerous driving, driving without insurance and having no MOT.

As it was a guilty plea I wonder what else he might have been on the hook for that got dropped in the plea bargain.

Any thoughts crankboy?

Nah I think he got the full selection of what is made out on the video . I also think the teacher was posted there to stop parents driving in both from the video where he appears to be stood in the middle of the entrance looking the other way when the golf arrives and this :-"The teacher was told to stand in the car park entrance and stop vehicles after a letter was sent out to parents by the head teacher citing it a risk to the children coming out of the school."
Which appears to be a quote from the prosecution opening. So far from an interfering busy body being confrontational just a bloke doing his job.

[quote=mattyfez ]Teacher was clearly at fault, he wasn't wearing a high visibility vest, so the driver could not have possibly have known he was stood there.

Or a helmet, head injury is his own fault.

Edukator » Those accusing the teacher of sitting on the bonnet need to watch more closely. The driver nudged the legs of the teacher before he sat down

I watched it carefully before my original post and have now watched the unedited clip several times too. I still think the teacher sits down through choice. I’m prepared to be wrong though...

However, driving dangerously in the vicinity of a school at start or finish times is inexcusable. It can’t be justified. Lack of parking or not, school rules on child accompaniment, need to get to work is no justification.

When I take my boys to school, I get sick of the parents blocking drives, parking on pavements and other selfish, inconsiderate and often high-risk driving. I refuse to engage in it.

Its exceedingly likely he got a ban as well as his prison sentence extended by half the prison term so it impacts from the point he is released on licence.

I still think the teacher sits down through choice. I’m prepared to be wrong though...

I don't think that's relevant.
What is relevant is that the driver saw fit to bulldozer thier way through into an area where there are kids running about.

All because the driver had some sense of entitlement to do whatever the hell they please.

I don't think that's relevant.

I think it’s relevant as obviously otherwise, I wouldn’t have mentioned it. I’m not looking for an argument - just saying as I see it.

What is relevant is that the driver saw fit to bulldozer thier way through into an area where there are kids running about.

I think it’s obvious that we agree on that. Doesn’t everyone on this thread think it’s reckless beyond belief.

All because the driver had some sense of entitlement to do whatever the hell they please.

Again, we seem to agree completely - so I’m not sure why it was worth making your first point?

We know the guy behaved dangerously and that he thought he could behave like that is indicative of a lack of respect for others, wilful disregard of the consequences of his actions and a total absence of any good judgement.

 I still think the teacher sits down through choice. I’m prepared to be wrong though...

the teacher is guilty of not wanting to move, of having the option of conceding, but choosing not to as that was what he was there to do.

If the teacher sat on the bonnet that’s idiotic - but it doesn’t make him ‘guilty’ of anything. The driver had no excuse to progress into the school premises and especially to progress with a person on his bonnet. The driver is the guilty one.

The driver (and it stuns me that this point still needs to be made) knowingly drove his car into the person standing in front of said car.

As I’ve said, my observation is that the teacher sits on the car. We see a piece of video and interpret it differently - I don’t see why this is an issue.

Regardless of the video. We know the driver has brought about the original situation and then acted in a dangerous way to exacerbate and escalate - what more needs to be said? The driver got off lightly IMHO.

Nobody comes out of this well. It is irrelevant if the teacher sat on the bonnet or not.

The teacher shouldn't have tried to stop the car by standing in front of it especially if the driver was showing signs of being agitated. There are other ways the school can ban or stop people from entering the grounds. If they want to physically stop cars from entering the grounds then they need to close the gate and have someone manning the gate.

However that doesn't excuse the driver and they got everything they deserve. If the teacher sat on the bonnet there is no excuse for continuing to drive with him sat on it.

Some parents are a disgrace. I see some shocking behaviour from parents at my kids school. They're a shocking role model for their kids - a real bad attitude.

[quote=wobbliscott ]Nobody comes out of this well.

The teacher only didn't come out of it well because he got injured - he did nothing wrong.