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Interesting DD

At the time and at full speed I just saw a poor pass and Parks not deep enough.

I'm only teasing TeeJ. And just because it was your favourite uncle Brian.

FWIW, it was a poor pass. Parkes wasn't far enough back. Argentina knew what to expect so Parkes was always going to be swarmed. He should have been further back so as to get set onto his right foot. There's no doubt Dr Phil went to block the right footed kick. Ah well, all academic now.

turned the scot arg game on late, went onto itv+1 instead of looking at result, thriller of a second half, and nail biting finish.
good to see the try scoring team win, jinking run from the young amorosino. scotland once again brave losers 😀

scotch will no doubt be invigorated for the clash with england, a potential banana skin for the better and bigger nation, especially so if the lack of dynamic running in the backs as described by TJ is present. the ball continually being passed to a standing-still flat back line is a cause of persistent frustration.

but has never been able to get the backs running well and now the game has moved on - its as simple as that

No body can get our backs running well, so thats a crock. I can't imagine Parks or Carter doing a better job. The toulon backs run in a legendary fashion, have you seen them?

Englands problem with the backs are twofold - one they expect wilko to do it all and two they don't play like a team, Tindall personifies this especially. He runs into every contact with only one thing on his mind, that he will crash through and gain personal glory, the offload is an afterthought, thats why his passes are so dreadful, Hape and Banahan are nearly as bad, and I'm reserving judgement on Tuilagi.. The wingers who you would expect to be the glory seekers are morelikely to fire off a decent offload. Ashton especially. And thankfully we have Foden and Ben Youngs. The AB's run into every breakdown to draw as many men and get the ball off lightning fast, leading the team to inevitable glory. It is as simple as that.

Ref was a ucnt and thats all im saying on the matter.

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You need to get you backs running on to the ball.

Whats the young outside half for Scotland? He offers no threat and doesnt carry the ball close enough to the defenders to bring his direct running centres into play. He should watch how Priestland attacks the line and gives flat passes to, Priestland unlike Jones also offers a threat so draws defenders onto him thereby giving Roberts more space. Hook stands deeper and looks for the break/missmatch himself so doesnt give Roberts space. Sotland arent helped by having no threat at 9 either, for all his slow passing Phillips does draw defenders onto him.
Wilkinson is similar to Steven Jones, I also dont argree that the Toulon backs are great. Saw them live against Reading Samoa and whilst he controlled the game and kicked his goals in impressive fashion the backs were little threat and when I watched games from the French league his only attacking option is a miss pass to lovabalova. Mind you the combined skills of Phill Bennett, Jonathan Davis and Dan Carter would struggle in a team that contains Tindall at 12.

AA have you been on the sauce? I thought Scotland were playing England next? What has the wales backline got to do with it... 😀
Although the Tindall comment is spot on if you absolutely want to make sure your wings dont get the ball, give it to Tindall.

I do struggle to see why Tindall continues to be picked for England, surely there are better and younger centres available?

Just pointing out that even a fairly limited player like Priestland does a better job than Jackson who people seem to think is some sort of attacking threat, which he isnt he's not much better than Parks in this respect despite all his wide passing. At least he can tackle though.

AA, it's ok iwas joking, you missed my poorly veiled attempt to accuse you of hideous bias..
I still think my do it all yourself theory is the answer to englands woes..

to accuse you of hideous bias..

No accusation needed. It's plain for all to see. England still my number two team. Scotland - definite top ten. Wales still number 19.

For a_a 🙂

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Scotland were my 3rd, but I may have to drop them..

Tindall is just the foundation for the backs and a old head to rely on. Can you imagine the chaos if the likes of Banahan were called on to lead or make an on field decision. I think it shows in the pack as well, as soon as Thompson replaces headless Hartley everything calms down a bit and becomes a bit less frenetic.

Wilko is a limited player TJ but even at his worse he is better than what Scotland have to offer.

Will they sack Growler after next weekend?

Growler

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Next week should be fun then, i just have to resist baiting TJ for a week! 🙂
Actually, this result could be bad for England as the Scots will be even more up for the game. Whether this will result in a more focused Scots team or one that will try too hard and fall apart i don't know...

Do Scotland [i]have[/i] to get a bonus point win to go through?

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Jackson who people seem to think is some sort of attacking threat, which he isnt he's not much better than Parks in this respect despite all his wide passing. At least he can tackle though.

Its comparative - Jackson is the best we have had for a long time tho there are two youngsters coming thru who might be better - Maybe they should have been here - Laidlaw and Weir

Wilko is a limited player TJ but even at his worse he is better than what Scotland have to offer.

Maybe - I think I prefer Jackson but there is not much in it. I'd have Flood or Cipriani tho like a shot.

Will they sack Growler after next weekend?

If they don't get out of the group he has to go - he maybe has to anyway.

Substitutions and selection have been his weak point - he seems to have decided who gets subbed before the game and sticks to it. He has had everything he has wanted to prepare the team even to a helpful playing schedule and resting guys at the end of the season. Patterson should not have been playing for example and subbing the front row and half backs...................

He stands or falls on these results

muddydwarf - Member

Next week should be fun then, i just have to resist baiting TJ for a week!

Don't mock the afflicted. Its a dreadful affliction being a Scots fan

Actually, this result could be bad for England as the Scots will be even more up for the game. Whether this will result in a more focused Scots team or one that will try too hard and fall apart i don't know...

Who does

Scotland need a bp and to prevent us from getting a losers bp

toys19 - Member

Scotland need a bp and to prevent us from getting a losers bp

Another heroic defeat - humbug

Yeah that is your only hope, beat us and georgia beat arg. Neither likely.. Can anyone see scotland putting four tries on us? Even if they win by more than7 we still go through ahead on score difference

Scotland seem incapable of finding the try line at the moment, they appear to be basing their entire game on kicking penalties.

Why are Scotland so poor? The Celtic/Magners/whatever its called this yr has been great for Wales yet Scotland slip even further behind it seems.

The game is not based on going for penalties - they are trying to get the backs going. The rain today did not help Scotland at all. TYeh scots game is built around speed - going for penalties you play in the way England do (used to??) - trundle around the field with the ball up your jumper

Why they can't get over the line? Apart from lack of talent I don't know.

The funny thing is TJ I thought today scotland looked like england circa 2004.. no pace and relying on forced errors. Except your fowards were crap..

What does Scottish rugby need? Mind you, you're pretty poor at football too - it can't be the size of the population 'cos Wales do so much with an even smaller population. What is the size of the player pool in Scotland, i mean how many people are registered to play rugby?

Scotland pop is only a million more than Wales. I think scotlands problem is similar to englands Afaik rugby is more middle class/private school. In wales its played at every school. More important than wendyball in wales too.

Mind you I do thnk that the reason why scotland look like the england of old that they have our old coach..

I don't know why Scotland allowed Argentina to boss the breakdown so much. Scotland just didn't fight for the ball.

Scotland has a very small population of Rugby players muddy.

it can't be the size of the population 'cos Wales do so much with an even smaller population. What is the size of the player pool in Scotland, i mean how many people are registered to play rugby?

Found this
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http://www.rugbydump.com/2011/09/2103/rugby-world-cup-daily-player-numbers-around-the-world

Scotland 11 000 senior men players, Wales 22 000, England 166 000, Italy 15 000

Hahahahaha.

Ireland and NZ figures almost identical.

You're 'aving a giraffe mate.

Bumpety dump.

Can't see the Gloucester Exiles putting 4 tries past England so looks like they will be thankfully back at Kingsholm a bit earlier than expected. 😀

DS you have me on killfile? I just said exactly the same thing as you 5 posts up...

Killfile is for children, I prefer the more adult method of ignoring certain log-in names. 😉

Ah ok.

It all gets a bit confusing the permutations but I have copied this from a rugby forum and it seems to be right

So that is interesting. It means if Argentina get 5 points against Georgia, Scotland can go through instead of England by beating England by more than 8 points (and denying England a 4-try bonus point).

That would put both Scotland and England on 14 points, with Argentina top on 15 points. Scotland would go through on the direct result.

Obviously it's easier if Argentina lose, but it's possible for Scotland to tie with England on points and go through, despite the hugely inferior points difference, provided Argentina don't also draw level on points.

that is quite possible - for Scotland to beat England by more than 8 pts.

TeeJ I love you for your eternal optimism. Don't ever change sweetcheeks. 😀

Darcy, he's right though. It is [i]quite possible[/i] just not [i]quite likely[/i].

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No O'Flashearty, it's [i]quite[/i] possible.

It is theoretically possible but not likely.
Teej do not believe other peoples crap do your own research man. (and you two naughty boys cfh & DD) .
The "direct result" is only 1 part of 5 steps that need to be gone throught to rank the pool in the event of a draw.

From the RWC site rules page [url= http://www.rugbyworldcup.com/home/tournamentrules/index.html ]http://www.rugbyworldcup.com/home/tournamentrules/index.html[/url]
If you read the page or the quote below you will see that the pool rankings are determined by steps 1-5 below (see bold bit) .
If scotland beat us by 8 then ok they go up one rank because they won, but then we go up because of points diff, tries diff, points tally and tries tally.

So unless scotland can put 81 points on us, and 15 tries even with a pool pts draw, we still go through. Or then they have to go up by 4 ranks as they are currently 8th and we are 4th. [url= http://www.irb.com/rankings/full.html ]IRB rankings[/url]

Rankings at the completion of the pool phase

At the completion of the pool phase, the teams in a pool are ranked one through five based on their cumulative match points, and identified respectively as winner, runner-up, third, fourth and fifth.

If at the completion of the pool phase two or more teams are level on match points, then the following criteria shall be used in the following order until one of the Teams can be determined as the higher ranked:

The winner of the match in which the two tied teams have played each other shall be the higher ranked;
The team which has the best difference between points scored for and points scored against in all its pool matches shall be the higher ranked;
The team which has the best difference between tries scored for and tries scored against in all its pool matches shall be the higher ranked;
The team which has scored most points in all its pool matches shall be the higher ranked;
The team which has scored most tries in all its pool matches shall be the higher ranked;
[b]Should the tie be unresolved at the conclusion of steps 1 through 5,[/b] the team that is higher ranked in the updated Official IRB World Rankings on October 3, 2011.

That's what I said! 😉

So unless scotland can put 81 points on us[England]

That is also [i]quite possible[/i].

Yeah I know CFH, you said it with more "brevity" than I. 😆

81 points. ho ho

O'Flashearty you ninja editing b'stard you! 😮

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