Wrecker - I’m just hoping that today is the outlier for England rather than the last two being abnormal and today back to the same dross as last year.
England picked a back line to run at the opposition, yet kept kicking from 1st phase all day. We didn’t compete at a single restart either.
Maybe it's time to move on from Eddie Jones, there never seems to be a plan b with him.
He didn’t get sucked it anything – he created it.
Quite. He's a proven shithouser, and his shithousery today was par for the course. Peyper should really have gone to his cards for him, he was lucky to get subbed off. It's a shame, as he's a great prop, and has real potential, but his continued shithousery will lose England a big game some time soon.
I’m just hoping that today is the outlier for England rather than the last two being abnormal and today back to the same dross as last year.
They performed really quite poorly against a dreadful French team, in the second half. The outlier could be that they beat Ireland?
They performed really quite poorly against a dreadful French team, in the second half. The outlier could be that they beat Ireland?
Wow that is a massive overreaction. I was there at Twickenham, the French were a beaten team and the game well beyond doubt. It was quite obvious both sides were playing to not get injured for the next game. It pretty much turned into tag rugby after the massive hit by Lawes on basterau. Can't fault the players for that
Recent results suggest that behind NZ, there isn’t much to chose between England, Wales, Ireland and SA, with Aus Arg SCO able to beat the others too on their day. After 3 rounds I haven’t seen much to change that opinion.
I don’t remember a single scrum where one team went forwards whilst the other went back.
I'm sure I recall Wales shoving England off their own ball at 1 point.
I thought Sinkler was good but Wales certainly laughed off all Englands niggle. I thought Tuilagi was luck to get away with grabbing Liam by the throat.
Quite. He’s a proven shithouser
bollocks. he's no more a shithouse than S.Lee and far less so than the likes of that shorty little ****unt irish prick.
England kicked it away all day and ignored their clear physical advantage. It's the same old failing to think on their feet. Pretty narrow win all things considered though.
bollocks. he’s no more a shithouse than S.Lee
Much much more. Samson rarely says a word. Rob Evans can be a **** but not Lee. Sinkler is a nutter, watch the last few mins of the Lions second test for an example.
I thought Sinkler was good but Wales certainly laughed off all Englands niggle. I thought Tuilagi was luck to get away with grabbing Liam by the throat.
I wouldn't mind betting that Gatland said at half time "get out there and wind them up, get them riled, spoil their composure".
Because that is exactly what they did 2nd half.
he’s no more a shithouse than S.Lee and far less so than the likes of that shorty little ****unt irish prick.
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Bollocks, bollocks and more bollocks. Sinkler is no angel but Lee has been done for head butting and Healy for all sorts (he is a dirty bastard). Sink is no worse than either, like it or not.
The press and a lot of fans are an interesting bunch and the swings in attitude are hilarious.
Wales has a poor two games before today and were clearly not as and as everyone thought. We had one very good performance and one good one and we are clearly not as good as we were being made out to be. As with all things, it’s somewhere in the middle.
Hopefully the fallow week will help us out and allow us to refocus. No major team changes for Italy - they need the opportunity to prove themselves. The frustrating thing is that with the kicking game faltering, why didn’t we use the big boys to trick it up? Maybe bring the likes of Genge on a bit earlier. Hey ho, hindsight is a bitch and Wales were the better team today.
Sinkler is no angel but Lee has been done for head butting and Healy for all sorts (he is a dirty bastard). Sink is no worse than either, like it or not
Whatever, you are 100% wrong about Lee though also only one of those 3 players was involved in todays game. Played well and then started to give a few pens away and got hooked.
he's exactly as dirty as sinker is and just as much of an arsehole.
I don't think the England game plan was to kick away so much ball, more that they have it ingrained recently to do that off slow ball which is fine... but they overlooked the real problem which was slow ball. The difference between the speed of the ball today compared to England's previous few games when they looked on fire was massive. Wales were a giant PITA around the rucks and that's massive credit to Wales on the back of some frightening England performances
Oh and putting Lee in the same bracket as Healy or Sinkler is way off the mark. One bit of niggle in a very tough match is a lot to hold against one of the quietest in the Welsh side. I'm sure there was far worse today that went unnoticed as there always is. Healy is a cheapshot merchant of the lowest levels and Sinkler is liability for his team walking a fine line as even he acknowledges. Lee is neither
Wow didn’t see that result coming.
Best thing about today is Gatts outsmarting Jones tactically.
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he’s exactly as dirty as sinker is and just as much of an arsehole.
Bless, I understand you're smarting but you have never been more wrong. Sinkler isnt really dirty anyway just a loose cannon. Lee is too passive. Healey is a roided up thug. If you were talking about Evans you'd maybe be onto something.
Bullshit. He's every bit as dirty as the pair of them. You can like it, or you can not like it. Lee's in the same park, his record is far more convincing than some casual mountain biking rugby fan might think. He's a full on ****, the main difference is that he's not as good as sinkler or Healy.
Daily Heil player ratings, England team get much higher 😁😁😁😁😄😄😄
I’m English and Lee doesn’t seem too dirty. Healy on the other hand is an a-hole.
Sinkler is just a bit of a tit. Sometimes it comes off and he winds the oppo up (e.g. POM dropping the c-bomb) other yikes it’s him being a dick (today). If he can learn to walk the line, he’ll be a fine player.
The Welsh by and large seem pretty sensible without too many idiots. England on the other hand have had a fair few.
The difference between the speed of the ball today
..was tipuric lying on top of Youngs.
was tipuric lying on top of Youngs.
Once again I resort to the 🤔
Seriously wtf?
The only time I saw Tipuric lying on Youngs it backfired on him spectacularly, as Curry zipped through the gap he should have been defending for England’s try.
Having just watched the highlights, there was a lot of tackling players beyond the ruck. As with all these things, a good team will push what the ref allows on the day.
England still favourites for the 6 nations this year imho. They’ve got near certain wins in their next two games, with likely 1 or 2 more bonus points. Can’t see Ireland catching them, even if they beat Wales in the last game. Wales have to therefore win both games; Scotland will be no pushover at Murrayfield, but with momentum and Scottish injuries it may well go Wales way. Wales v Ireland though, what a game that is going to be!
The tackles, to me, forced the kicking game, the impact of the tackles pushed England and they folded and kicked for territory (although they didn't make any really). It was hard to watch and they lacked any creativity in the face of strong defence.
Sinkler needs to learn to rise above, I'm sure there was plenty of quiet words had with him in the Scrum, but he needs to not react so easily and obviously.
Bollocks, bollocks and more bollocks. Sinkler is no angel but Lee has been done for head butting and Healy for all sorts (he is a dirty bastard). Sink is no worse than either, like it or not.
So we’ve established that Sinckler lost his head more than anyone on the pitch, except for Lee (who was probably in a pub in West Wales) and Healy (who will never appear in a Wales v England game). All good then. Just to give you a bit of ammo, Moriarty’s dad was a bit of nutter, and I once saw Wade Dooley lose his cool. 😂
The tackles, to me, forced the kicking game, the impact of the tackles pushed England and they folded and kicked for territory (although they didn’t make any really). It was hard to watch and they lacked any creativity in the face of strong defence.
I think one of the commentators said similar, but it's still playing rugby like a computer program;
If A happens; then do B
If C happens, then do D
and then when D didn't work, there's no intelligence to go back and do B instead and certainly not E.
It's at the heart of my earlier question really; I'm right into sports (I wish sports science had been a thing when I was at school because I'd have done that at University for sure) and I'm interested in the process as well as the game. You can argue the point but there are some of the world's most talented players out there and it seems all they could do was 'Do what Eddie says. Do what Eddie says' Over and over.
Is there a cultural fear to try something different? If they follow instructions and lose then they're protected from him because they did what he said.
I don’t remember Young’s making a single break from 9 this tournament so far. Does he still snipe round the fringe for Leicester or is he just too slow now? For me, the odd dummy & dash keeps the defence honest, not allowing a blind rush. It’s probably one of the reasons Wales got in England’s faces so much in defence.
In the cold light of morning, this is a game England had in control, and should have won. Wales were magnificent in the 2nd half, but we allowed them to be - sitting back and offering nothing. If your only tactic is to kick and pressure chase, you rely on opposition errors. They didn’t make any in that 2nd half.
I didn’t think we would miss Mako & Maro too much, as we had such strength in those positions. With hindsight, they could possibly have made the difference. Then again, with our tactics I’m not sure.
He’s a full on ****, the main difference is that he’s not as good as sinkler or Healy.
Smarts doesnt it losing, still you'll get over it, having a full scale tantrum about 2 other players not involved on the game wont help though I dont think.
How’s the hangover Wrecker?
Lots of Sinckler hate on here.....nice that you've got another English figure to hate now and predict that he'll lose us a game. Heard it all before with Hartley (unbelievably good disciplinary record at international level for a front row) then Farrell....again it all came to nothing. Sinckler is the same, he's a proper wind up merchant, but it's all fake tough guy stuff really isn't it, there's never going to be a punch thrown.....I'm confident he'll not be losing us a game.
As for the rest of the game yesterday, we played 10 man rugby for most of the game. I thought that we really missed Mako's work in the loose.
Lots of Sinckler hate on here
Really, can you point this out? I said he played well gave away a few pens and got hooked.
If they played proper 9/10 man rugby then they would have been pretty comfortable. Wales must have been thanking their lucky stars that the monster pack decided not to try and steamroller them all day. EJ didn’t trust his bench either which is another area England have continued to pile pressure on teams later in the game. Wales played well in the second half but the stars did somewhat align for them
this is a game England had in control, and should have won.
Alternatively, Wales were completely in control for the whole game, allowing England to try their bag of tricks in the first half before running out of fitness in the second. England tend to score points in the first half, Wales in the second. When half-time arrived and we were only seven down I actually said to my daughters that we had won the game.
In the cold light of morning, this is a game England had in control, and should have won.
At halftime I couldn’t see Wales winning, unlike in Paris where whilst I thought we were up against it we still stood a chance.
England, Ireland,..., are clearly still very good teams. Wales were still a good team despite their lacklustre first two games. It’s strange hearing people like Guscott talk as if England have to go back to the drawing board.
Who is meant to change the plan of attack on the field? Is that the 10’s job? Is it the captain’s? Does it require someone special, ie most teams don’t have such a player on the pitch? It’s interesting listening to Warburton after a game, he gives me an idea of all the things I miss during the game.
It’s strange hearing people like Guscott talk as if England have to go back to the drawing board.
He’s a dick. He was very complimentary about England and then they have a poor game and the world is over, back to the drawing board and Wales are suddenly the best thing ever.
If we win we’ll agaisnt Italy and Scotland and Ireland do us a favour he’ll swing back to camp England. He’s a terrible pundit.
It does make for an interesting championship I guess and we’ll be relying on Ireland to do us a favour and beat Wales.
Tom B; dry your eyes petal.As for the claims England lost that game; no chance. Your second half was like the RWC 15. As a side matter, when does the annual request for clarification of the rules come from Twickenham? Can't remember if it is one of two days after England lose.
"I can't say, I'm the referee, I'm not a coach. You will probably find the solution with your coach who is more able to tell you what you have to do than I am."
Do Scots, Adam Hastings, lovely rugby player but is he a 10. I found myself watching him yesterday and being reminded of Hook, talented player, not a 10 kinghorn was fantastic too.
Duckman is there any real need for that dude. My eyes are perfectly dry 'petal'.
The Welsh women are having a good 2nd half against England.
England will win and Wales will no doubt tire but it's good to see women's rugby improving in the home nations; English women's rugby is still a league ahead though at the moment.
Tom B if you are going to bat for us, please try and man up. They are just enjoying themselves, and fair play, I'd be delighted if I was welsh. They won, take it.
Secondly Sinkler doesn't need defending, hes a great player with a great attitude, sometimes his enthusiasm gets the better of him, much like yours is on this thread. Think of me like Nigel Owens, he told Kyle off for baiting and then losing it, and right now you are doing the same thing. I love your passion mate, but don't let it get the better of you.
Haha okay I'll 'man up' 😂
