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Stay classy wrecker, YOU and the rest of the master race are the ones who build yourselves up. Still; with all this practise maybe eventually you will learn to lose with grace, eh?
Presumably you two have previous as otherwise, duckman, it is <span style="text-decoration: underline;">you</span> who is coming across as a dick.
England are ponderous at the breakdown. Heaven only knows what the ABs would do to us at the moment. New arsehole anyone?
We've basically come full circle now under Jones haven't we?! No idea at the breakdown, no backrow and can't score a try. It's like it's 2015 again.
No history as far as I’m aware of. Nothing wrong with my class, Scotland just aren’t as goood as they think they are and neither are England. It’s as simple as that.
Ireland by 15 ( although I would love to see Scotland stuff them out of sight)
🙂 I’d like to thank anti-rugby, the donkey Stockdale and a MOTM performance from Kearney for today’s 6N clinching win.
To be fair, Scotland's performance in the 1st half probably deserved more than they got from that game - but the 2nd half was dominated by Ireland and I don’t think Scotland can have much complaints about the result. However, I await TeeJ’s staitistical analysis to show that it was pretty much equivalent other than on the scoreboard.
I had a sneaky suspicion France would nick that. Crikey though - 16 penalties?! Against France?! They only have themselves to blame. What did you guys think of the penalty try?
Penalty try - Peyper chose that moment to penalise a marginal tackle ( on the shoulder, man stooping) with a PT and yellow. There were far worse high tackles all day and he let them go. The 1st collision of the day Daly got clothes lined - nothing.
France deserved the win though - we looked toothless.
the donkey Stockdale
Still a donkey, reminds of that big donkey ireland had before Shane Horgan!!
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=5XxWIM127Bw
and a MOTM performance from Kearney for today’s 6N clinching win
Obviously didnt have to try and tackle George North!!!
Havent seen the game yet actually...well done and all that and fingers crossed the donkey winger scores a hatrick next week and Kearney in MOM again!!
Penalty try – Peyper chose that moment to penalise a marginal tackle ( on the shoulder, man stooping) with a PT and yellow. There were far worse high tackles all day and he let them go. The 1st collision of the day Daly got clothes lined – nothing.
I thought it was pretty harsh myself.
Anyway, enjoying being champs with a game to play. I think EJ needs to trot out an experimental side next week. 🙂
[RankingsMeanNothing]I believe those results put Ireland into No.2.[/RankingsMeanNothing]
Well done Ireland. They've been the most consistent team of the home nations since the autumn.
As for England? Utter dog shit. Jones appears to have fallen into the same trap as Lancaster; playing his favourites no matter form, position etc. The worst thing is that the problems of the last game weren't fixed and low and behold, they rear their head again. God knows what Ireland will do to us at the breakdown next week. Looking like the bottom half of the table for us and deservedly so.
I thought it was pretty harsh myself.
I thought he was lucky not to get a red, would have been a year ago but the latest thing is obviously not high tackles.
It was a stupid tackle but I’ve never seen a red card for one of those.
It was a stupid tackle but I’ve never seen a red card for one of those
I agree it would have been harsh but for a while last year it was the latest big thing!
Whisper it quietly, but Eddie did pretty much the same at Australia.
Maybe, just maybe, he's not all that.
You are right wrecker, Scotland aren't that good, we are dirt track bullies, beat France, England and I would assume Italy.
Scotland aren’t that good, we are dirt track bullies, beat France, England and I would assume Italy.
Only at home!!
duckers, calm down. As a level 53 referee you need to be acting with a level of decorum.
As for England? Utter dog shit. Jones appears to have fallen into the same trap as Lancaster; playing his favourites no matter form, position etc. The worst thing is that the problems of the last game weren’t fixed and low and behold, they rear their head again. God knows what Ireland will do to us at the breakdown next week. Looking like the bottom half of the table for us and deservedly
This. and England have been worked out, with no plan B. Utter shite.
You are right wrecker, Scotland aren’t that good, we are dirt track bullies, beat France, England and I would assume Italy.
No mention of wales and ireland. Can't think why!
It's not that the scots aren't a good team, they are. They're just not great and poor performances by the english and french has flattered them somewhat.
High tackles (shoulder and above) have been a focus all season, in all games. A penalty in any game. It became a yellow and penalty try when it illegally stopped a player from scoring. Again, probably awarded in any game. If English fans want to focus on that being the difference between the teams, go for it. It wasn’t.
I might try and work out penalty counts for home and away teams when I’m bored next week. I’m guessing it’s that that’s decided the championship, not one team being better than the others. (And if I’m right, it’ll be the penalty count against the visitors in the first half of most games that kills them off.)
If English fans want to focus on that being the difference between the teams, go for it. It wasn’t.
Has anyone said that?
In terms of Jones playing favourites, wasn’t Hartley injured and he dropped Brown for this match?
Too many donkeys past their sell-by date in the England team. Cole, Launchbury, Robshaw, Haskell, Hartley, Brown - all on the downslope. Lawes and Itoje are potentially a world class second row, we need some dynamism in the back row. Everything should flow from that. If we are going to persist with Ford at 10, we have to have go-forward possession.
Also, this consistent use of passing behind dummy runners doesn’t do anything unless you have front foot ball and the defence is scrambling.
Bless ‘em, but the Irish Have daylight between them and the rest of the Six Nations.
Has anyone said that?
You didn’t. That was me reading between the lines. You seem irritable today - any reasons? 😛
Because they aren't the weaker teams wrecker. Look on the bright side, if it wasn't for that try than should have been but wasn't against Wales, it could be a lot worse for you.
High tackles (shoulder and above) have been a focus all season, in all games. A penalty in any game. It became a yellow and penalty try when it illegally stopped a player from scoring. Again, probably awarded in any game. If English fans want to focus on that being the difference between the teams, go for it. It wasn’t.
Thing is, it probably was.
I might try and work out penalty counts for home and away teams when I’m bored next week. I’m guessing it’s that that’s decided the championship, not one team being better than the others. (And if I’m right, it’ll be the penalty count against the visitors in the first half of most games that kills them off.)
Deary me. 😀 I can’t wait for that analysis - it’ll give us something to discuss alongside TeeJ’s stats.
Maybe everyone should just take a breath, look at the results over the last two years, and say, 'Hey, my team's not bad and neither is anyone else's' (unless you're Italian, obviously).
Last year it was a Jonathan Davies brain-fart away from each team winning their home games, losing their away games, and beating Italy. This year Ireland managed to squeak one by France away. They might get the Grand Slam but I still reckon England will win it next week. Most likely the table will end up all teams win their home games, lose their away games, and beat Italy with a single away win deciding the whole tournament.
Scotland is not a shit team who have miracled a few wins by catching good teams on bad days. It is an alright team.
England is not a shit team who went from world domination to eating turd sandwiches over the course of a fortnight. It is an alright team.
Ireland is not an unstoppable force. If they win the Grand Slam next week then they can quite rightly claim the title of best northern hemisphere side. If not, then it is an alright team.
France is winning it's home games, losing it's away games, and having some embarrassing Autumn Internationals. It is an alright team.
Wales is Wales.
Italy is a shit team.
As a tournament, the Six Nations is very competitive, entertaining, and something we can be proud of.
Because they aren’t the weaker teams wrecker. Look on the bright side, if it wasn’t for that try than should have been but wasn’t against Wales, it could be a lot worse for you.
Maybe. doesn't change anything I have said though. There was clear daylight between the scots and welsh. With a settled french team and a normal england, the scots would be looking at yet another single victory championship with a win over Italy. Still better than another wooden spoon I suppose.
You seem irritable today – any reasons?
I'm not really irked at the loss. It was a very fair result. I'm pissed off that -yet again - we have a coach who won't play the best players for the positions. We have a 10 at 12, a 4 at 6, a 6 at 7. It's ****ing stupid, the thing that's pissing me off is that he's making the same errors again and again. The shape of the team is also shit, flat and slow in attack. No lines being run. Going high in the tackles.
I'm not so sure of why I'm annoyed at that. i am an Irish citizen and we are going to smash the filthy white wearing forks at their little ground next week ; )
Ah; so that isn't that a normal England team we played off the park two weeks ago? Thats weird; it seems to have most of the names that thumped us the year before. And remember; we beat a full strength French team, not the bed-by-10pm XV you lost to! 🤣 Nothing personal Wrecker, but we have had the usual self entitled bollocks and excuses,most of which involved Owens. The first rugby headline in the Times the day after was about the tunnel for instance. Scotland WERE fantastic that day, it was a tell-the-Grandkids performance. England were no better and no worse than they have been since Jones settled on his XV.
England were no better and no worse than they have been since Jones settled on his XV.
That's just plainly untrue. I cannot comprehend how anyone can't recognise that this england team is seriously undercooked, it's about as obvious as it gets. Do I think Owens was great? No, but it didn't affect the result which, had england been on song would have been another big england win as it was last year (against broadly the same scotland team) As it stands, the team which have won the last two 6N could conceivably finish 5th. That's a damning indictment on the performances being trotted out by Jones' boys.
Nothing taken personally, I don't coach the team (and I'm Irish....) but in the same vein this very much appears like all of the other false dawns which cause scots fans to become over-excited. I expect it from Teej (gotta love his blind optimism) but not so much from you.
I think one factor you two are both overlooking is that Scotland a good at home but seem to regularly shit the bed away from home. Getting pumped at Cardiff against a weak Wales team says it all.
Also, as Betsen pointed out Englands backrow selection was suicidal it was shown up v Wales and they git away with it, should have changed it for Scotland and it was plain dumb to do the same v France.
Also, as Betsen pointed out Englands backrow selection was suicidal it was shown up v Wales and they git away with it, should have changed it for Scotland and it was plain dumb to do the same v France.
I ****ing hate playing second rows in the back row. It's been claimed that Itoge and/or Lawes are up to scratch at 6 but it's wrong. They aren't and they never will be.
Hate to agree with AA naturally, but that England performance at the breakdown was embarrassing.
That it was shown up against Scotland should have been a shock to all for whom it matters. To roll that out against France was Einsteinien Insanity (doing the same thing over and over again, but expecting different results)
I think I saw only Robshaw go for a jackle at the breakdown (and won the pen). Barclay gave a masterclass in the previous match, the likes of the fantastic Camara and Bastareaud just showed what can be achieved after the tackle.
In 2 hours time, we're fortunate enough to be going out on the pitch with the U11s with a guest coach from Worcester Warriors (I know, I know!) and I specifically asked last week that we cover the jackle, the ruck and the line reset in game-play training.
I will send training note to Eddie afterwards.
Hate to agree with AA naturally
Its more fun if people dont!!!
I think I saw only Robshaw go for a jackle at the breakdown (and won the pen). Barclay gave a masterclass in the previous match, the likes of the fantastic Camara and Bastareaud just showed what can be achieved after the tackle.
Its not so much the defensive work thats made but when they only send one bloke in to clear out Fat Bastareaud and that bloke is Ford I'm not sure what they expect to happen.
send one bloke in to clear out Fat Bastareaud and that bloke is Ford I’m not sure what they expect to happen
sweet, sweet love.
What England tried to do, was put the Jackal closer to the pod. What France did was commit two forwards every time. And they are large. So the first man in didnt clear them, the second may do but it was too late yet may have been better if they had been faster.
Add to that a return to the toothless attack and there was nothing on. We also need to remember France have good players, albeit collectively theyve yet to shine. Ford has also proven he cant play on the back foot. Lucked he can be subbed and Farrell takes over, but inevitably after the damage is done.
I’d really like England to come out with something different next week, just to show we can do something different and dont have to be the single strategy ponderous bludgeon. I fear we wont though, and Ireland may walk away with a well deserved Grand Slam. They have momentum, their tails are up and England are under pressure to perform. A close loss at home I predict, with a weeks worth of headlines condeming Jones.
put the Jackle closer to the pod
Not sure I understand that, but Im not up on pod play.
France did was commit two forwards every time
Fance probably couldnt believe their luck that having gone out there to play to win the breakdowns like the Scots, that ENG had no intention of changing their game style to neutralise it!
Too many donkeys past their sell-by date in the England team. Cole, Launchbury, Robshaw, Haskell, Hartley, Brown – all on the downslope. Lawes and Itoje are potentially a world class second row, we need some dynamism in the back row. Everything should flow from that. If we are going to persist with Ford at 10, we have to have go-forward possession.
Also, this consistent use of passing behind dummy runners doesn’t do anything unless you have front foot ball and the defence is scrambling.
Bless ‘em, but the Irish Have daylight between them and the rest of the Six Nations.
I don't think Launchbury deserves to be on the donkey list; he's actually been play g really well this season. The others can stay on that list. Lawes has looked very good at six at club level his season but at international level it really doesn't work. Jones and co need to work out another game plan for when Billy isn't available. Hughes (who I don't think is international class) does offer the same go forward etc. Yet we keep trying to play that game.
The worry is that it feels like Jons has his team now, no matter what their form. Much like Lancaster did. It was plain to see that a number of his favourites weren't playing well this year, yet here they are again screwing it up. They need to work on accuracy; contrast Ireland and England against France when the clock was red....one fashioned a winning opportunity after a million phases, the other was given a lifeline by the opposition and basic skill blew it.
Cowan-Dickie (Age 24) missed a high pressure throw. He has only 4 caps and not enough international hours to really be criticised for losing his accuracy. Hartley (31, 92 caps) unnecessarily taking up a squad place that ought to be there for J George (Age 27, 23 Caps) and CD.
Congratulations to Ireland on a good win. They had seen what Scotland did last match and countered it well. 2 or 3 forwards in every ruck and pretty much nullified our turnover threat and Sexton had a great game kicking from hand. Even if Scotland put their chances away Ireland would still have been too good. Kinghorn the only positive thing really
I don’t think Launchbury deserves to be on the donkey list
Considering that Robshaw is one of the few to emerge with any credit in this shit show; neither does he. I'd add Youngs, Ford and perhaps JJ.
That high tackle.
Was it above the shoulder? Yes, though it was across the chest from above the shoulder, not round the neck or head.
So technically a penalty but not particularly nasty.
Was he diving for the line at the time and was it therefore a penalty which prevented a try? Yes
I thought it was harsh but it was probably technically correct.
I’d add Youngs, Ford and perhaps JJ.
Ford needs go forward frm the fat lads which they just haven't generated. JJ's space is constantly getting taken up by the fat lads who need to be in the rucks but are loitering in space.
Watson will now not get a shot at being fullback again, Brown will be back in.
Ford needs go forward frm the fat lads which they just haven’t generated.
Agreed but he's not always going to get it and he's a gap in defence. When England are dominant and on song; I don't think that there are many better 10's but he has too many weaknesses for this level. There is no question that Tigers have been greatly improved with Toomua at 10.
So what can I expect this afternoon? Quite a few nerves here.
Apparently
The Italians have won just once in their past 23 Six Nations games, a 22-19 victory over Scotland at Murrayfield in 2015.
I'm hoping today will not see an away win for them. With all the changes in the Wales team, they must have a fair chance.