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Phillips is bad for that too
It seems that match officials make decisions on tries in the absence of doubt. Why didn't Walsh say "any reason not to award the try?" rather than "try or no try"?
Walsh did not get a good view. he went to the touch judge and asked him if he saw it - touch judge said no. Walsh said "I thought it was held up" thus rightly asked "try / no try"
Those pictures are not comclusive enough if "try / no try" the question. I think Strettles hand was under it att he critical moment. incoclusive is reasonable from the images
The score line is all that matters really. I thoroughly enjoyed the game regardless.
I'm very happy with the performance against a team which on paper should have slaughtered us. Bigger, faster, more experienced. Wales had a average of 20 caps more per person so if we can more than match them now, it looks very good for next year.
All I can say to England fans is Stick your Chariot up your A***! 😀
Maybe your right about gethin but him and jones shoved corbisero and cole heads up their arses all day. Very impressive. England coaches impressed though. They stopped Faletau picking up from the base to provide the extra man and passing direct to the backs. It was aleays illegal with the 9 offside all the time but for some reason the ref didnt see it as a potential yellow despite pinging them on three scrums in a row. Suppose thats home advantage. Strettles attempt was less a try than the Laidlaw one, at least laidlaw hand his hand on top of the ball. Strettle had his hand under it.
How the mighty have fallen when loosing at home to wales narrowly is seen as positive and moaning about being robbed.......... Thats our job you get your own shtick.
Wrecker you have to remember the wales team was actually younger despite having more caps, both went down a lot in the second half when Roberts was replaced by williams.
He wasn't in control of the ball, and there was no downward pressure
You don't need to be in control of the ball, just have downward pressure. While I am no fan of Steve Walsh, he did ask the right question. He was not sure. Some TV refs give the benefit of the doubt to the attacking team, others don't. I suspect that had he given the try we would be having the same set of arguments!! In any case the best official was the line judge - he should be calling this decision.
Great match, I think of the two coaching teams the Welsh ones will have the bigger headache. England stepped up a gear and showed where they are heading, Wales ran out of idea. Despite dominating for large periods they failed to convert - it took a very good opportunist try to separate the two teams. Against better teams, Wales need more creativity than is offered that Priestland, Roberts and Davies.
you do need to be in control of the ball - you don't need downward pressure depending
22.1 GROUNDING THE BALLThere are two ways a player can ground the ball:
(a) Player touches the ground with the ball. A player grounds the ball by holding the ball and touching the ground with it, in in-goal. ‘Holding’ means holding in the hand or hands, or in the arm or arms. No downward pressure is required.(b) Player presses down on the ball. A player grounds the ball when it is on the ground in the in-goal and the player presses down on it with a hand or hands, arm or arms, or the front of the player’s body from waist to neck inclusive.
Great match, I think of the two coaching teams the Welsh ones will have the bigger headache. England stepped up a gear and showed where they are heading, Wales ran out of idea. Despite dominating for large periods they failed to convert - it took a very good opportunist try to separate the two teams. Against better teams, Wales need more creativity than is offered that Priestland, Roberts and Davies
step forward St Gavin (or maybe Hook needs to get over the pox)
i actually think a lack of ball carriers in the pack is the issue. Ryan jones should have started and big bad bradley davies is much missed. Faletau is not the best carrying close to the ruck.
The only thing that matters is the refs opinion - move on now. No try, simple. This is not football.
Brakes has a point ,I really hadn't noticed it before but in that still you can clearly see that the score at that point 12-19 and with 5 points for the try and obviously England would have definatly have got the conversion so they still wouldn't have won.
How the mighty have fallen when loosing at home to wales narrowly is seen as positive
Au contrare. When a hugely hyped and vaunted team, favourites by a country mile, buoyant from getting to a RCW semi final cannot decisively beat a brand new, never played together team, some who have never even started an international game becomes cause for pics of players laughing then something's wrong. should have been a cake walk. Were Wales exposed? The france game will be the teller. Beat France, then you can gloat but until then there's no justification.
Truly the village idiot!
OOI (only) did Walsh call advantage over? That was my only gripe at the time as I didn't hear it.
ahhh remeber when the welsh team couldn'y make it out of the team hotel without having a scrap - it's taken them 20yrs to get to this stage, let them enjoy it................still not won a world cup have they? 😉
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Wrecker you miss the point which is that wales are not that good. How many players were strating their first international? Owens and Parling? Doesnt that mean both teams were brand new never played together. Christ the two welsh wings havent played more than 40 times for their regions between them.
Wales had a very young team out, younger than the england team and beat them on their own patch.
C'mon guys ease up. If we are honest both England and Wales have rode their luck for their wins. And that is what good sides have to do to win. But this fact is what makes the 6N fun to watch at the moment. Ok, not if your Scottish of course 😉
I'd argue that there was more skill than luck in the Williams try, and more luck than skill in ChargeDown Charlie's tries.
It was an ok match to watch but defences were very much on top.
Partly because there was very little quick ball from v slow rucks and both teams seeming to have forgotten to have a plan b if bashing with the centres didn't work.
Farrell's chip and chase was 1 example of how to try and get behind the defence, however I loved the North tackle straight after the chip.
I am worried the French will show us how to do just that kind of thing this avo.
CFH I meant overall not the specifics of the tries. Wales took that try extremely well.
England’s players will have felt pretty miserable back in their changing room, and all the people in the world telling them how well they played won’t alter their sense of having lost a match they should have won. In my view England lost this Test match more than Wales won it but having said that, I congratulate the Welsh on winning the Triple Crown and keeping themselves in the hunt for a third Grand Slam in seven years.thats two games teams wales have beat without winning!!!
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I'd argue that there was more skill than luck in the Williams try, and more luck than skill in ChargeDown Charlie's tries.
Really? Its been 15 years since I play in the county leagues, and even I know you don't go into a ruck / maul with the ball tucked under your elbow sticking out of the side like Laws did, but firmly tucked in your gut until one of your players rips it back out of harms way.
That, no Full back or S /Half in place for cover as we were on the back foot allowed that try in. Poor play England IMO.
Agree with the Catflap comments though, although there's tiny argument that says the player had to be there in the first place.....
So - anyone giving Scotland a chance?
Having entered this six nations on a wave of optimism after edinburghs great results in the HC I have now swung into a pit of darkest despair on the back of inept selection and performance so far in the 6N. Anyone got any optimism for me or do I have to rely on my welsh granny for a ray of sunshine?
🙁
I'll be rooting for them Uncle Jeremy
if they can sort out their discipline they might do ok - hope for a tight closed game and a belligerent ref on their side, and a vocal Murrayfield crowd singing them on...
Wrecker you miss the point which is that wales are not that good
I'm not sure we were being told this message before the match - quite the contrary actually. Most Welsh rugby supporters could quite easily have been mistaken for English football supporters for the past week or so.
Like you would know in Adelaide 🙄
Scott Williams took his try very well, great pace and good execution.
Oh christ zokes has arrived to tell me i'm racist and shouldnt be a teacher.
TJ scotland have a chance because your front five is strong. Its a slim chance though.
Sorry, A_A, your charming temperament seems to have let you down again.
Like you would know in Adelaide
Y'know, there's this thing called the internet these days - lets you know what's happening all over the world. You can even read British websites, and there's this thing called Facebook too 🙄
Now now children!
Show me these sights where the Welsh have been acting like england football supporters, go on I dare you I double dare you. Put some links up to prove your statement.
Oi
Behave!
I fancy Scotland to win today, they are far better than their results so far, and have not had any luck yet.
Then again, I thought England would win today, but they did play well. So did Wales too, and Ireland.
Wales experience showed. They now know how to play with 14, and when its worth taking a yellow. Very proffesional victory. They'll need to improve to beat the French, but home advantage should help.
Farrell looked good and didn't deserve to lose. England FH for a long time to come, and a good shout for the Lions squad. 😉
Good to see Sexton back on form too. 🙂
TJ whats its got to do with you, just leave it get sorted out.
loum.... I stand corrected on Farrel!!
So todays team:
Kearney
Bowe
Tuilagi
Scott Williams
North
Farrel
Phillips
8 erm.....i'd still pick O'Brian
Warburton
Lydiate/Ferris
O'Connel
ANO....... No idea who tbh
Jones
Token Scot
Gethin
France off day to day,scotland by 5 points,hopefully 🙂
Can't argue with you there a-a,
Be good if Ford, Gray and Denton put in a winning shift today, and fill those gap positions.
And Halfpenny proved you right yesterday, top quality performance.
Overall, a great weekend's rugby. Really enjoyable.
Phillips did my head in yesterday, I personally wouldn't pick him as a Lion 9, sometimes he's magical, sometimes he's lost. Only thing that might get him the 9 shirt is the lack of competition there.
Too slow and tries to do too much.
Has anyone mentioned the amazing tackle Warburton put on Tuilagi. Why did Farrel run straight into North? Took that hit very well.
Why is Strettle bleating that he thinks it was a try, what is happening to rugby players these days?
Right, on to today.
I'll take Scotland by a single score.
Yep, seriously.
anagallis_arvensis - Member
Wrecker you miss the point which is that wales are not that good. How many players were strating their first international? Owens and Parling? Doesnt that mean both teams were brand new never played together. Christ the two welsh wings havent played more than 40 times for their regions between them.
Wales had a very young team out, younger than the england team and beat them on their own patch.POSTED 2 HOURS AGO # REPORT-POST
I seem to remember that during the RWC, this team was hyped as the next big thing. Morgan, dickson, parling all got their first full caps yesterday. Farrell had never started at 10, Manu and barrett had never played in the centre together before. The welsh team are narrowly younger than the English team, there's only a few days in it and most have played in a RWC. Quite of few of the England team havent even played in a 6n before
So the team which reached the semi final of the RWC couldn't outplay an inexperienced box-fresh England team. I still think that if those substitutions hadn't been made, Wales wouldn't have won but what ifs are ultimately pointless. Enjoy the victory, getting a result at tickers has taken long enough.
You may think this is daft but I would put money on England taking the win next year even now.
meddle,
Reddan played really well when he came on, links well with Sexton too, and is a different sort of SH. Good service, like Dickson.
Phillips, on his day, would be absolutely horrible to play against and can be a game winner. Have to admit, he didn't help Priestland out too much yesterday, resulting in one of his lesser performances.
I'm sure Farrell would have been happier with his SH service, Dickson was pretty good with his passing.
When it comes to the Lions, I think defense against Genia will be most important. He's their best player. If we achieve parity at SH, cancelling him out, I'd be happy. Then beat them elsewhere on the pitch. Whatever else, phillips defends like another back row.