[Closed] Rogue One - spoilers

I think this sums it up for me - I had a big grin across my face when I saw the cutting floor room footage of the pilots from the old films

http://www.rollingstone.com/movies/news/why-rogue-one-is-superior-to-the-force-awakens-w456727

Better than Empire. I said it. They finally did it and went and made a better film than Empire, Abrams - you're an amateur.

It was the detail as well, the way that the fighter battles actually felt like fighter battles - heavy pieces of metal zipping around the sky instead of the on rail things of Force Awakens.

From Rolling Stone (Tom's link)

The action is punishing (in a PG-13 sort of way, but still) rather than pulse-pounding.

This is what killed it for me, I thought it was mostly just a shoot em up kids film (which when you see the movie revenue rankings you can understand)

What were you expecting? It's Star Wars ffs!

As above

Thought it was good but unlike most didn't think it was as good as FA.

But Im a silly old goat and really enjoyed the nostalgia of FA, the "history" of the story and caring about its characters. (Think my favorite scene in FA is Han craning his neck to get his first glimpse of Leia.)

The shoot 'em up bits ... which I know is of course the basis/genre of the films... gets tiring for me. Honestly I was waiting for it to end by the time they landed in "Vietnam". Were as, in FA I didnt want to have to leave the theatre.

Still want to watch it again mind.

What I want to know is why do so many of the characters carry 3 or 4 car tyre pressure gauges in pockets on their chests?

What I want to know is why do so many of the characters carry 3 or 4 car tyre pressure gauges in pockets on their chests?

I thought they were radiation Dosimeters...
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Well that makes more sense!
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Overall was a good star wars film

Enjoyed some of the references to star wars, Biggs, gold leader, red leader, the number 5 slot opening up in red squadron, bail organa mentioning captain Antilles, is he wedge's dad?

Loved the way it ended to cut perfectly into episode IV, Vader was pretty bad ass, I didn't know he lived in Mordor tho !

A few issues with forced plot devices and dialogue.

Why did they need moisture vaporators on Galens already very moist farm!?

Leia and Tarkin CG not 100% though

Still feel that they are scared to just make a completely new film set in the star wars universe, especially as next one to start filming is Han solo, would hope episode viii will be a bit bolder as vii was embarrassing in its lack of originality.

Rogue I one was enjoyable, I'm still waiting for a truly great film set in possibly the richest sci fi universe ever created

possibly the richest sci fi universe ever created

Er... On film, maybe..

Er... On film, maybe..

well yes, though the expanded universe has some great stuff in it (and some bobbins)

in cinema no one has managed to beat Star Wars for epic space opera, happy to be proved wrong tho!

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Er... On film, maybe..

Someone really should set about making a movie of or in one of Ian M Banks culture books.

Judging by his belt accessories, Han runs tubeless.

Someone really should set about making a movie of or in one of Ian M Banks culture books.

its the first one that springs to mind!
alistair reynolds
foundation
ender series
hyperion could be ace

Dune was a good effort, inspite of its flaws, the matrix impressive in its originality ended up a turd

alienses/prometheus/bladerunner is trying similar

i think cameron is trying it with avatar 🙄

It seems that TV is where the big stuff happens these days

Looked brilliant - it had the dirty, run down grittiness that the original EpIV had. Stormtroopers on the prison planet in filthy armour looked great. Liked the 'war film' aesthetic. Good that it tied up plot holes in the original (to an extent).

I thought Leia looked fine but Tarkin looked too CGI'd (his movements were odd). They should/could have used him more sparingly and it would have been more effective.

The plot had glaring weaknesses again though - I still don't understand how so much can be spent on a film without sorting out some basic plot points. The Empire storing their data in what looked like a manually operated tape store (with big FO data cartridges) and the 'main switch' on an open air console in the middle of a beach being the two that bugged me during the film itself.

simons_nicolai-uk - Member

I thought Leia looked fine but Tarkin looked too CGI'd (his movements were odd)

I've seen a few people comment on the way he moves but apparently that's all real person- Guy Henry from Holby City in fact.

The Empire storing their data in what looked like a manually operated tape store

That's more secure. I bet there are still some tape stores like that in real life deliberately.

Why it isn't all in an underground bunker though I have no idea. And a transmission terminal on top of the tower where anyone can get at it - that's daft. And why is the switch for it ona gantry sticking out of the side of the tower? Purely so that a hero can be on it when it gets damaged and can almost fall off but bravely climb back up, that's why.

kimbers - Member
Loved the way it ended to cut perfectly into episode IV

I realised the following yesterday, after a second viewing:

Tantive IV (the blockade runner from A New Hope) was docked to the flagship of the rebel fleet. Admiral Raddus' fleet were the first assets to make for Scarif after the rebels discovered that Rogue One had gone there. They were reinforced by starfighters that came from Yavin IV, which launched after the fleet had departed.

In the scene where the X Wings and Y Wings take off from Yavin IV, C-3PO and R2-D2 are seen watching them leave. As the rebel fleet had already left for Scarif at that point, how did the two droids end up on Tantive IV, and when they did, why was whoever delivered them not given a copy of the Death Star plans?

Still, it's a good movie, though I reckon the Force Awakens did Star Wars better, even if it isn't as good as a movie on its own merits.

Just watched it yesterday. To me, its just Star Wars and does what its meant to do - lots of stuff to pick at but heh, its a good fun movie at the end of the day. My level of geekery doesn't extend to picking holes in timelines and plots.

I did think this:

Did anyone else not find it a bit... middle eastern/terroristy?..

at one point - sandy-world based rebels being blown up by superior military powers? Hmmmm

And also

the way that the fighter battles actually felt like fighter battles - heavy pieces of metal zipping around the sky

I can't help wondering when the rebels sleep, eat, poop etc but that's irrelevant in the movies right?

Saw it yesterday with the binnerettes (9 & 12) and we all absolutely loved it!

Surely picking holes in the plot/timelines of a Star Wars film falls into the same category of joyless pointlessness as deconstructing jokes to explain why they're funny?

Someone really should set about making a movie of or in one of Ian M Banks culture books.

Please God, no.

Surely picking holes in the plot/timelines of a Star Wars film falls into the same category of joyless pointlessness as deconstructing jokes to explain why they're funny?

the same category of joyless pointlessness as deconstructing jokes to explain why they're funny

Exactly. And a certain someone I know does both things excruciatingly well which is why I'm just happy for it to do what it says on the Star Wars tin.

Making sure the plot makes sense? The one with all the space ships, force fields, alien galaxies, star gates, Death Stars, and battle droids? 😆

Amazing to think that this bloke directed it - I'll bet his side-step would have come in handy against a company of stormtroopers.

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Someone really should set about making a movie of or in one of Ian M Banks culture books.

Absolutely not. Film and books are very different concepts. Some books cross over, but some don't. That's why fans are always whining about book conversions, because they have to be altered so heavily. To even suggest such a thing shows a lack of awareness...

You might be able to fit one into a whole TV season, but it really shouldn't be done. It would cheapen the concept.

how did the two droids end up on Tantive IV, and when they did, why was whoever delivered them not given a copy of the Death Star plans?

Well I can only assume that the big Mon calamari ship it was docked to didn't leave till after the fighters, by which time the droids had taken a shuttle/blockade runner up to it, bail organa mentioned captain Antilles as he left the meeting with someone in mind to escort the plans and c3po said in episode IV he was their last master.

To even suggest such a thing shows a lack of awareness...

I think you just have to accept that film or TV adaptations are different things, I love GOT, walking dead, dune, marvel etc books and films/series for all but you can't get hung up on which is better.

Delighted to see I'm not the only one underwhelmed by it.

Little humour, no pauses for calm, non stop action, in 3d onlyn1 part of the frame is in focus, plenty to be grumpy about!

It's about suspension of disbelief. Good sci-fi is believable sci-fi. With a few billion dollars budget, you should be able to nail the basics

You know it's not a documentary, right?

To even suggest such a thing shows a lack of awareness...

Not overly precious at all then 😆

Nice cameo by Daniel Mays, who seems to be making a career out of getting killed off early doors.

I would love to see a film of some of the Iain M Banks stuff, The Player of Games is probably the most obviously film-friendly, nice simple plot and obvious dramatic tension.

I really like Marvin the Sarcastic Android.

I am not sure if this is the right place to make this argument, but Star Wars is NOT science fiction, so it doesn't matter if the plot is rubbish. It has space ships and aliens, but at best it is space opera.

It is not a documentary, either...

Not overly precious at all then

About what?

It's true though - a book doesn't make a good film just because you like it. Ask Hitchhiker's fans.

The Player of Games is probably the most obviously film-friendly, nice simple plot and obvious dramatic tension.

That's a more straightforward plot - would be a good series. Consider Phlebas for a film, I reckon.

But the whole point of books like that is the huge scope, which would be impossible to do on anything like the same scale. So you'd end up with an action film with some smart-arsed artificially intelligent spaceships in it.

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Which, thinking about it, might actually might be quite good 🙂 But the overall effect would be nothing like the books to the point where you wouldn't really be doing the same thing.

Star Wars is NOT science fiction

No, it's not. What's the main theme of the film? It's not anything scientific, it's a mystical energy guiding all of life through those chosen few who can feel it strongly. That makes it a fantasy film. Happens to have spaceships and in it, that's all.

Hels - we were all in agreement that Marvin the sarcastic android was the best thing about the fillum! Absolute genius! 😀

It's true though - a book doesn't make a good film just because you like it. Ask Hitchhiker's fans.

Am I the only Hitchhikers fan who thought the most recent film was perfectly decent? I've watched (and enjoyed it) a coupe of times now. It's not perfect but it's far from terrible.

Very dubious about Iain M Banks transferring to film though.

I liked it too, but my comments were really addressed to the fans who moaned because it was different to the books. Of course it was, that's why it took 30 years to get made. It had to be.

Just back from watching it, can finally read this thread whilst enjoying a G&T.

Lots of good comments, personally it could become my favourite Star Wars movie, I had an ending playing in my head where the robot named after potassium sulphate or something transfers his data into another droid before his death, then flies down and rescues the living couple. I was overjoyed when they simply got deaded instead.

Plot had ropey moments and some character arcs were all over the place. But still, Lots of clever references, technically it's still too dark even in 2D though.

Seen it today IMAX 3D, thought it was great, so much so I'd like to see it again. Hate Hollywood whooping and high5 endings, Hollywood cheese etc so the whole thing was mostly satisfying in it's more dark aspect.

Tarkin CGI, I think I wouldn't have been any the wiser other than him looking more healthy than he looked in A New Hope. Maybe his position as Battle Station commander took it's toll in that short time, not eating properly, late nights, worrying about facing Vader, hitting the bottle.

Princess Leia CGI was more obvious as her face looked strangely flat in IMAX 3D, but didn't detract from the whole experience. A bit of a sad moment, considering the past few days.

Big scenes were fantastic in IMAX, but agree that some of the closed in blurred scenes where slightly annoying, what with it not being proper 3D.

One small thing that did it for me over last years film, watching it on a massive screen in sort of 3D, I wasn't this time continuously distracted by obviously painted wooden props.

There were the occasional, "why would they do that/ put that there / how did they get there in that time frame / why didn't they question that? etc etc" . I think you have those moments in all SW films, suspension of disbelief and all that, those moments weren't that frequent here (or as obvious?), like in some really poor SW films.

overall I really enjoyed it (none SW nerd).

Took the kids to see it today, 5 year old boy who knows the expanded universe very well, 7 year old girl who likes the films but not overly bothered and me, like all the films, seen them loads but not obsessive. We all loved it! It's a kids film and they both loved it! I loved it too. Yeah there my be some plot holes, but this is not citizen Kane, this is a kids film, and it's very good for what it is

I saw it yesterday and really enjoyed it. My only issue is that, and i hope this doesn't open a STW can of worms, but stormtrooper helmets are rubbish. One knock to the head and they are out for the count!

It's a kids film

What? It's about the ultimate sacrifice. How is that a kids' topic?

Stormtrooper armour is indeed rubbish though. It doesn't seem to protect them from anything at all.

I really enjoyed the film last night. I saw A New Hope first time around and liked the way they didn't try to 'update' too much in terms of making things look slicker - my 10 year old me approves.

The reason why Vader has a fat neck.

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