The Mash absolutely bang on about the ‘will of the people’ issue…
Your link was mangled by the swear filter... this should take people there...
http://tinyurl.com/dailymashwillofthepeople
If the Commons decide to ram this through by deciding to over-rule the Lords (something they can do) then Labour will push to make this a vote of confidence/ no confidence in this Government. That will back a lot of Tory MPs into a corner as they'd have to either back their rhetoric and risk job loss (loss of say 6 months more gravy train) with an election, or show their shameful self preserving yellow streak and back the Gov.
It wouldn’t surprise me in the least if Rishi, clueless as ever, chose to run the clock down by making Rwanda a massive issue. He’ll choose this hill to die on.
It’s not like he’s got owt else interesting to pursue, is it? Other than bombing Yemen.
It’d be so totemic to bring this shambles of a government to a sorry end with both wings of the party hating the policy equally, just for very different reasons and Rishi stuck in the middle like the spineless, hapless referee who everyone hates anyway, who’s lost control of the match in the opening 5 minutes
Another faction for Rishi to contend with. Does this make it the 6 Families?
Mad Lizzie has gone full Peoples Front of Judea. Great name though. Splitter! 😂
If we're talking about "the will of the people" where are the 40 new hospitals promised in the 2019 Tory manifesto?
And don't even get me started on their promises about "Northern Powerhouse Rail".
Yes, I am sad enough to re-read it looking for references to Rwanda. No, I didn't find anything about it. So as usual from the Tories, it's all bullshit and lies.
The whole Rwanda thing was only ever intended as a dead cat to distract from their multiple failings.
Ironic that’s it’s now added to the ever-lengthening list of multiple failings it was meant to be a distraction from
“restoring democratic accountability to Britain”
So that will be abolition of the lords and PR for the commons and councils?
https://twitter.com/SkyNews/status/1699112749832229196
'Healthcare entrepreneur'
Nothing to see here then.
This bombing of the Yemen will help sort Sunak out after the election. Have you noticed how Johnson went from 'borrowing' £800k from a 'distant relly', having JCB pay for his curtains and the taxpayer picking up his bar tab to having now bought a house for £3.8m? Funny that.
Restoring democratic accountability?
That's one of those phrases that is completely meaningless but sounds good to the gammons.
It's not meaningless... it's just the opposite of what they are about, what they have a track record of doing, and what they propose to do in future. Classic Tory Doublespeak. Claim the language as a cover for doing the opposite. See "levelling up", "build back better" etc, etc.
Did anyone catch Rishi's latest intellectual powerhouse appointment - Liz Fraser - in action yesterday on the media rounds?
You'd think it'd be difficult to make your predecessor Nadine Dorres look like an effective, intelligent politician, but she's somehow managed it. Its quite something. She's a KC apparently, but doesn't seem to understand the difference between evidence and speculation...
BBC: Culture Secretary Lucy Frazer tells Kay Burley 'on occasion the BBC has been biased'
Not to be outdone, weapons-grade dimwit and Minister for Rail, Huw Merriman, seems not to understand the the News Quiz on Radio 4 is actually a satirical comedy feature and not actually a news programme. Kay Burley mustn't be able to believe her luck that the Tory Party keep trotting out these utter morons for interview/slaughter...
https://twitter.com/Haggis_UK/status/1749697943148384767?s=20
I saw that Lucy Frazer clip, absolutely excruciating. I was never a fan of Kay Burley and she does still face plant occasionally (Mick Lynch interview was priceless) but she can be pretty lethal when confronted by an imbecile.
"You’d think it’d be difficult to make your predecessor Nadine Dorres look like an effective, intelligent politician"
Ditto for Liz Truss / Rishi Sunak.
Weren’t Liz and Rees-Smug both in the cabinet when Johnson illegally prorogued Parliament?
mug also put in place rules to delete westminster pass information for current and previous mps.
Making it harder for current mps to be held account for whether they attending parliament and previous ones whether they are in parliament lobbying for new paymasters.
All the rightwing loony groups name seem the equivalent of "democratic" and "peoples" in a country name.
As soon as you see that the default assumption it takes a one man one vote approach to things and you are screwed if you arent that one man.
they're at it again
https://twitter.com/PaulBrandITV/status/1749902408082141563?t=7GkToeMhuuzV9-wNm8dUjw&s=19
if only there had been a chance in the last week or so to fatally wound him and bring him down, oh wait .... 😕
I read up a bit more about the "delay" motion from the lords - It looks like Sunak can ignore it. I think the bill still needs to go back to the lords tho so expect a bigger fight if the delay motion is ignored
Sounds like rebellion number 705 coming up now that some of the Tories have just realised they're actually going to lose their cushy jobs in the very near future and are demanding they do something to turn it around. Obviously this means veering further to the right as thats obviously the vote winner. Sigh.
This poll in the telegraph (which seems to be the base of operations/asylum for the anti sunak campaign) is absolutely hilarious
I think they're justifying replacing Sunak by invoking an imaginary ghost of thatcher
https://twitter.com/lowles_nick/status/1749915843490640364?t=7GXbNfQYiyMcLFlgyhOU3Q&s=19
Alister Jack is standing down as our mp for Dumfries & Galloway and the new candidate is John Cooper who was previously associate editor of the Scottish Daily Mail and Sunday Mail, he’s worked as Special adviser to the Secretary of State for Scotland Alister Jack since 2021, obviously breaking him in to the grift.
D&G Conservative Home - John Cooper
I’m sure he’ll go down well with all the retirees in this area but there is real anger with the Tory government and snp are projected to win, last time Alister Jack appeared in kirkcudbright he tried to do a puff piece on the harbour next to the fishing boats which was a terrible idea as the workers on the boats threw abuse, fish, large dredge shackles, basically anything on deck they could throw at him, they all ran very quickly ran to the bus along with his crew and disappeared
D&G has been a tory stronghold for years - if they loose that then thats really bad news for them. Back to zero scots MPs?
The Torygraph stuff is hilarious. They seem to think that if the Tory party just ditch Sunak and anoint Cruella or Badanoch then a huge 2019 style majority will be in the bag.
Like a grateful nation would thank them for yet another leadership election? I actually want them to do it just to see how much the reality differs from their fantasy of what will happen
Thing about that Telegraph poll, absurd as it is, is that it's also the exact same concept that gave us brexit. "Vote for one thing where you pretty much know what it is, vs vote for your own personal masturbatory fantasy". No 2 voters has the exact same idea of who the ideal tory leader is but it doesn't matter, they can both vote for their own even if they absolutely hate what the other person is voting for.
And that's the only reason there was a majority for brexit, you had various possible futures, incompatible futures, impossible futures, and all of them counted as "yes to whatever happens". So you can see why people like the idea. Especially in a post-manifesto, post-promises world where you can get 3 tory PMs for the price of one and they all do something different, ironically it's almost more honest.
Thing about that Telegraph poll, absurd as it is, is that it’s also the exact same concept that gave us brexit. “Vote for one thing where you pretty much know what it is, vs vote for your own personal masturbatory fantasy
A disturbingly vivid and accurate description
Just had a very worrying conversation with MrsMC on the Tory/Labour options.
Anyone know a good solicitor?
Not prying, just tying to understand in the general context of UK population vs voting.
Did MrsMC not stay long in education and/or come from a poor background - or alternatively, a very well-off family?
The Torygraph stuff is hilarious. They seem to think that if the Tory party just ditch Sunak and anoint Cruella or Badanoch then a huge 2019 style majority will be in the bag.
the other great fantasy echoing in the empty heads of the 1/4 wit Tories at the moment is that if the BBC were suddenly turned into a Gbeebies style propaganda outlet the country would suddenly forget about the last 14 years & the polls would flip
Did MrsMC not stay long in education and/or come from a poor background – or alternatively, a very well-off family?
Sometimes that's got nothing to do with it. I've got a friend who is working class, grafted her whole life and has always voted Tory. She genuinely thinks that they've helped her get to where she is in life. The truth is that her hard work and scrimping and saving got her to where she is now.
However she reads right leaning newspapers, believes the Tories etc. On every other aspect of life she's pretty clued up but is also very sadly, like millions here, politically illiterate
Sister and brother in law, very working class, decent standard of living but he works shift work for a crap employer who treats him like shit, she works part time in Tesco.
Loved Boris and 100% Tory, even though things have got tougher and tougher for them the last few years.
Madness.
Brother in law & family, worse off than us always Tory for reasons - possibly cos they think a political party is like a football team
I have family who retired to Spain, came back after 20 years and think Brexit is great. They also love Johnson and Rees Mogg- cogitative dissonance? I pointed out to them that post brexit they would not have been able to do this
It is simply not understanding the basic premise of each party and getting caught up in tribalism, BS from media (print and social) and not seeing themselves and the very people the Labour Party would help via their policies and general approach to equality.
It is clear to most on this thread that the Tory party is looking after the top 10% at best.
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It is clear to most on this thread that the Tory party is looking after the top 10% at best.
They have an obsession with inheritance tax. It seems to be like an article of faith with them and I wouldn't bet against Hunt abolishing it before they get booted out
Inheritance Tax effects the richest 3 - 4% of society. I think this one policy perfectly illustrates the tiny minority of voters who the Tory party is exclusively interested in representing.
If you're not in that top 3 - 4% then voting Tory is literally Turkeys voting for Christmas
I heard somewhere in the last couple of days that the IHT thing had been parked as it was going to cost more than the fallout in the press was worth. The thing is that it's a tax that lots of people think they'll have to pay when they really won't.
The thing is that it’s a tax that lots of people think they’ll have to pay when they really won’t.
A complete myth that has been deliberately fuelled by the usual suspects in the press to such a degree that a lot of people think that when they die the state will simply take all their assets
It shows that if nothing else they are masters at misinformation. Expect this to be ratcheted up to a ridiculous degree during any upcoming election campaign, with a lot of dodgy social media campaigns by 'companies' that pop up then disappear again overnight with some very opaque funding
Sounds like education is the issue, either that or just thick.
Well we know from Brexit that 52% of the electorate will believe any old shite
Will a decent % of middle class folk get into inheritance tax regions because of the absurd value of their houses especially in the south?
Just listening to PMQ's and its now just a complete waste of time. He just ignores everything and repeats the same soundbites
Blah, blah, blah... 'sniping from the sidelines', blah, blah, blah... 'take us back to square one'
I really didn't think it was possible to be worse than Boris Johnson and Liz Truss but he's managing it easily
Has Starmer asked why a brief glance at the state of the country appears to show that we're currently at square -10?
Blah, blah, blah… ‘sniping from the sidelines’, blah, blah, blah… ‘take us back to square one’
Same lines delivered by a new minister (don't remember his name, not going to bother learning it now) on Radio 4 this morning. It's probably all that's flashing up on their WhatsApp groups. That and "Lefty Lawyers".
First time I've ever heard the word 'shitshow' used to describe the govt in PMQs 😂 It's about time Starmer went for the jugular. Sunak looked about as uncomfortable as I've seen him.
Have we done this... government refusing to name the date for the spring meeting of European leaders that it's our turn to host... was expected to be April. Suggests that they haven't ruled out a May General Election yet.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/4th_European_Political_Community_Summit
When is the latest that a May election could be called...?
Assuming first week in May (when local elections are happening), then the first week in April.
Inheritance Tax effects the richest 3 – 4% of society.
Looking at the wrong way. Inheritance Tax is a tax on the dead, paid by the estate, they've 'left' society.
The proper rich, landed gentry & old money have already managed their deaths, these estates aren't really paying this tax.
For the rest of us the majority of Inheritance Tax is paid when folk haven't managed their 'estate' correctly, and just died rich - most I'm guessing due to property assets. If folk better understood the tax system, there wouldn't be many estates paying Inheritance Tax - call it a tax on the lazy, stupid and/or selfish if you like.
Myself & OH have lost 3 of our 4 parents, no tax was paid - their estates had been 'managed'.
A different approach was by my granny; she spent/disposed of the vast majority of her wealth during her long life, as she said "it's my money and I want the pleasure in spending it". Birthdays, Christmas's plus, for example, she paid all our 1st house deposits.
The current focus on Inheritance Tax is yet another election sop to the uneducated/unthinking IMO.
For the rest of us the majority of Inheritance Tax is paid...
...by other people.
Most of us, and most of our parents, fall well short of the threshold. Managed estate or not.
Next week in PMQs, Starmer upgrades his language and uses the word 'cluserf***'. 😀
Also whilst I don't pay much attention to PMQs, go and have a look at Angela Rayner when Sunak is speaking. The sheer unadulerated hatred is something to behold. I really hope she gets to be PM some day.
Let's hope so. It wouldn't be out of place, would it. Needs to be quoting a Conservative MP for the full effect though. Better still a minister. It's like a public glance behind the curtain... we all know it's more than a shitshow back there... we experience the effects. The sooner we get an election the better...
[ EDIT: my "hope so" was directed at the cluster* comment, but I also agree that Rayner as PM would be a joy, just to watch the opposition benches taking it in. ]
Really don't see how the act of paying your taxes could be described as 'selfish' 😳
Does anyone know yet what Miriam Cates is under investigation for?
It can't be just for being an idiot, as that would include most Tory MP's, but she shows she's got her finger on the pulse by calling for smart phones to be banned for under 16's.
Good luck with that Miriam
Really don’t see how the act of paying your taxes could be described as ‘selfish’
The selfish bit was folk just hoarding their cash/assets for the netherworld - no pockets in a shroud.
I think we're going to be hearing quite a bit about Sunak's behaviour during the financial crisis of 2008 during the election campaign (SKS brought it up at PMQs today).
Profiting by fuelling the fire of the banking sector collapse as a Hedge Funder. Not a great look.
It's going to get funny watching them realise that he probably eclipses Truss as an electoral liability.
What's his popularity vs. Truss' worst? He's already a liability but if they replace him (who with?) then it looks even worse.
Does anyone know yet what Miriam Cates is under investigation for?
Some newspaper reports suggest its to do with a lockdown drinks party. Bernard Jenkins and Eleaner Laing are also under investigation for same thing with a report suggesting it was in the latters office.
I think we’re going to be hearing quite a bit about Sunak’s behaviour during the financial crisis of 2008 during the election campaign
Couldn't really be any easier for Starmer/Labour could it? He's failed at almost everything he's tried to do (and the one thing he can talk about - inflation - is not down to him), he has a public image that makes Ed Miliband look like a towering colossus, his MPs openly deride him and are plotting against him, and he's an evil hedge funder who profited from everyone else's suffering in 2008/9. Starmer's going to look pretty stupid if the predictions of a landslide/total wipeout don't come to fruition. He'd probably prefer it if Sunak was a bit better than he actually is.
https://twitter.com/IanDunt/status/1239968681360121856?t=sZSAUumms-Y5rcw-HrRxbA&s=19
Dunt tweet back in 2020 always makes me giggle.
Tories never surprisingly useless, especially with the economy.
I'm not cutting too much Labour slack here but the myth that Tories have to fix screwed economies after Labour have been in power should be totally buried.
Forever.
It should be they leave the economy in tatters and only do okay at selling state stuff off cheap
Interesting/depressing piece on Radio 4 PM about how Rishi's decision to scrap HS2 has upended the development that the private sector have being screaming ahead with to move freight off roads and onto rail to meet carbon emission targets set by... the government.
The whole HS2 cancellation and various other recent (literal) scorched earth policies is starting to feel a lot like the political vandalism we saw with the deindustrialisation of the north in the 80’s.
A pre-emotive punishment beating for those areas that are about to kick them out
Same old playbook Binners, snouts in the trough for so long, leave things literally crumbling as you say then Labour have to come along and stump up the cash to rebuild schools/hospitals etc. etc. and bingo 'Labour the party of tax and spend', everyone forgets the past 13 years and lo and behold Tories back in after one term away.
Though if they're not even the official opposition this time after a (hopeful) bloodbath and veer off towards Reform then maybe the cycle can finally be broken.
We now are being presented with a policy of "British homes for British workers" How much more clear dog whistle racism can you get?
It’s like they’ve given up on even becoming UKIP and now they’re emulating the National Front, circa 1978.
I wonder if Rishi will do an official press conference policy launch tomorrow dressed in oversize oxblood DMs (he likes his big boots doesn’t he?), bomber jacket, bleached jeans and Fred Perry polo shirt?
Maybe he’ll shave his head?
I just saw the halfwit Chris Phipps on tv talking about knife crime...he used the "Labour will take us back to square one" line again...They've decided its a great attack line, not realizing that a lot of people would vote to back to square one in a heartbeat!
On another note, how does Phipps have a ministerial job....he seems to be as thick as the back of an axe.
They’ve decided its a great attack line, not realizing that a lot of people would vote to back to square one in a heartbeat!
I guess they are hoping for things to noticeably improve before the GE and hence give a sense of moving from square one?
I do like Sunak taking credit for inflation falling from the insane high and then almost in the same breath with the increase last month announcing that was external factors and nowt to do with him.
And Lee regret voting against Rwanda bill and would like his old job back
On another note, how does Phipps have a ministerial job….he seems to be as thick as the back of an axe.
Its staggering, isn't it? Yet unsurprising.
Since 2016 the primary qualification to be a government minister is a blind belief in a nationalist populist project that is inherently stupid. What this has unsurprisingly delivered is a procession of thicko's. As they have been sacked over the years, the standard of the replacement thicko's has diminished yet further and we're now well and truly through the bottom of the barrel
To illustrate how bad it now is, both Theresa Coffey and Grant Shapps have held a succession of senior ministerial roles, They've had to bring Call-Me-Dave back as Foreign Secretary, Oliver Dowden is deputy PM, and the pick of the bunch has to be Victoria Atkins as Health Minister. The woman running the NHS looks like she'd struggle to run a bath. If you saw the interview posted with Culture Minister Lucy Frazer posted earlier this week, she looks like she'd struggle to find her own arse using both hands.
Can anyone think of a single government minister over the last ten years you'd actually trust with your car keys, let alone the countries economy?
And Lee regrets voting against Rwanda bill and would like his old job back
Talking of thicko's.... 30p Lee is absolutely priceless. So he resigned so he could rebel against the Rwanda bill, then didn't because the big boys were laughing at him and now he's sorry he resigned and wants to unresign and forget the whole thing. The laughable thing is that Rishi is so weak, he'll probably get it too
Can anyone think of a single government minister over the last ten years you’d actually trust with your car keys, let alone the countries economy?
difficult for sure. May?
James Brokenshire, perhaps? Temporal issues trusting him now though.
On another note, how does Philp have a ministerial job….he seems to be as thick as the back of an axe.
Yeah theres a fair few skeletons in his closet
Can anyone think of a single government minister over the last ten years you’d actually trust with your car keys, let alone the countries economy?
The problem is that I have remembered all the wrong ones, for all the wrong reasons, so need to go back and think who I would trust...