Thats the fear more cash. labours enthusiastic embrace of brexit will lose them votes to other parties. the polling and the local election resuulsts show this and also show its an anti tory vote not a pro labour one. Labour vote remains soft and is hardly any higher than under Corbyn. so its not a pro labour vote, its an anti tory one.
Dragging this kicking and screaming away from being another Brexit thread...
Is there some sort of competition as to who can amass the most flying hours/most cost in private aircraft in the Tory ranks?
https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/mar/31/sunak-private-jet-trips-cabinet-office-flight-costs
https://www.thenational.scot/news/20295759.liz-truss-spent-500-000-private-jets-just-three-months/
Labour vote remains soft and is hardly any higher than under Corbyn. so its not a pro labour vote, its an anti tory one.
Well it's currently about 1% higher than it was at the 2017 GE, when Labour said they would respect the Referendum result, and about 11% higher than it was the 2019 GE when Labour promised a second Referendum on EU membership, but I'm not sure I would call that "hardly any higher".
I very much agree that Labour's vote is soft though. But most of all I agree that it is an anti-Tory vote more than anything else.
There are currently no Labour policies which appear to have energised the electorate. Support for Labour appears to be based on the desperate hope that they will be better in government than the Tories, and not much else.
I for one find Labour's huge leads in the polls a tad puzzling - Tories behaving like Tories hasn't always automatically translated into huge leads for Labour, although 'Tory government fatigue' has played a significant part in the past.
I am also puzzled by the apparent lack of support for the LibDems, they only polled a ridiculously low 11% at the last general election, which undoubtedly helped the Tories achieve such a huge majority, there is nothing to indicate that they are on course to significantly improve on that at the next general election.
For literally years now the polls have shown LibDem support as being about what it was at the last general election or even lower. They say that the electorate has a very short memory but cosying up with the Tories and enthusiastically supporting austerity appears to have cost the LibDems dearly.
Starmer is doing his best to give the pro europe parties the advantage
This is a completely wonky interpretation of a poll that shows a (slightly) increased Labour lead over the Tories and a 92% chance of a Labour majority government after the next election. Starmer's uninspiring and un-alienating EU policy is not costing Labour net votes.
Other polling and the local election results show this clearly,. labours position is very alienating. I will not vote for them and I know others who will not because of their pro brexit policy
However this is the Sunak thread - apologies for diverting it.
I'm convinced Rishi has been told to do something pisstake-worthy every time he appears to either distract us from attacking the policy or to just get his video/picture retweeted.
I mean, the latest press conference is clearly intended to deliver lots of retweets with the hilarious 'stop the boots' tagline.
However this is the Sunak thread – apologies for diverting it.
Yeah let's leave brexit for a moment, what do you reckon about the suggestion that Rishi Sunak doesn't want the Covid inquiry to access incriminating WhatsApp messages concerning his own personal opposition to Johnson "empowering scientists"?
I am also puzzled by the apparent lack of support for the LibDems,
Last time we were discussing this there was a LibDem party member who popped up to put a few things straight. And to be fair, he did correct my mis-interpretation of the way things work with the LibDems.
I thought you voted LibDem and then it was just pot-luck if the policies you actually voted for got thrown on the bonfire or not.
Turns out, if you vote LibDem, what you are actually voting for is for the 70,000 or so LibDem party members to then have a vote amongst themselves to decide what you (as a non-LibDem party member) have just voted for.
How they still have any votes beyond their party members I have no idea. Presumably people just assume the set up isn't as bonkers as it actually is.
Edit: Sorry if this is derailing the Sunak thread. I would post it on the thread for the LibDem leader but I have no idea who that is at the moment.
Not unusual for party members to have votes on policy. You could always become a member.
Also not unusual for only a subset of manifesto policies to survive contact with coalition, as government in Scotland over the last few decades (or any number of other European governments and UK lower level administrations) should have made obvious to all by now.
[ EDIT: sorry, should be ignoring all the thread diversions... will try harder ]
Is there some sort of competition as to who can amass the most flying hours/most cost in private aircraft in the Tory ranks?
"Don't you know how important I am"... busy, busy... look how precious my time is.
There’s more competition for Mad Lizzie and now Little Rishi on the private jet front…
https://twitter.com/guardian/status/1660678356667359234?s=46&t=1lK7Dw1b6RqGJyvufO-trQ
Not nearly enough private jets or RAF helidrops in Sunak's May rewind...
https://twitter.com/sturdyAlex/status/1664776482646892545?s=20
Also not unusual for only a subset of manifesto policies to survive contact with coalition, as government in Scotland over the last few decades (or any number of other European governments and UK lower level administrations) should have made obvious to all by now.
Been done to death on other threads but the question was why aren't the LibDems gaining? My theory is it's because people have no idea what they are voting for if they vote LibDem.
The same can't be said for Greens, SNP, Plaid Cymru, Reform, etc who all have a core tenet so voters know what they are voting for.
Tories and Labour are the biggest parties so are unlikely to have to compromise on manifesto commitments.
This is why I think LibDems aren't gaining support. If anyone has any other theories as to what's putting voters off voting LibDem then feel free to share them.
Dear god! Is that ‘May Rewind’ for real?!
There’s definitely too much nose-candy doing the rounds in the Downing Street press office! 😳
Rishi is increasing morphing into Kendall out of Succession. I’m just waiting for the appearance of the 2 grand cashmere baseball cap.
It can’t be long now, surely? All the other elements are already in place…
Jeremy Hunt is the highlight of that one, talking about the IMF and runaway inflation with his face all shining like he's just been called pretty by that boy he likes.
Agreed... that Hunt section felt the most like a clip used for a satirical reasons... had to triple check the video was real after seeing that. That and the socks. But only one RAF jet and one Helidrop..??! Slack.
Actually.. the Chinook is shown three times... that's pretty good. Truss would have done better though.
Anyway, in other news woes....
BBC News - Bob Stewart: Conservative MP charged with racially aggravated abuse
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65814126
BBC News – Bob Stewart: Conservative MP charged with racially aggravated abuse
And in number ten they’re thinking ‘thank Christ for that! At least he hasn’t raped someone!’
I think that’s pretty much the level we’re at with the Tory party at the moment, isn’t it?
Thirsty Bob; what a surprise - or not.
EDIT: binners, he may have but hasn't been accused - wbo knows?
Good to see Sunak personally pouring millions of pounds into education… your kids deserve it…
Good to see Sunak personally pouring millions of pounds into education… your kids deserve it…
Not sure I can get too upset by their actions from 2018. Plenty of rich folk support their former university.
Made me chuckle anyway.
https://twitter.com/youwouldknow/status/1665782477498077185?s=46&t=1kaMBPZvR769qDSJ741llw
Bless him. He turned up for PE without his kit
Not sure I can get too upset by their actions from 2018. Plenty of rich folk support their former university.
Back in 2018 he was a minister in a government crippling our schools, and our local councils that support them and the kids in them… while at the same time donating millions to a college in the USA. We know where his priorities lie. Plenty of rich folk support their former universities, but still also pay their tax here, and aren’t involved in collective decision making as regards under funding state education in the UK.
When he loses the next election, Tech Bro Rishi will be in California by lunchtime the following day. I’m sure many large donations to elite American educational establishments will follow
If he wasn’t such a patriotic, flag-waving Brexiteer, you could almost have him down as one of Theresa Mays ‘Citizens of Nowhere’
Can he get his Green Card back to get back to his life there full time, or is that a one shot thing?
It’s America. You rock up with with half a billion in your arse pocket, you’re in
Same as you would be here. No questions asked
(Treating this as kind of a general Tories thread): dodgy UK property developers not giving you enough money? Why not accept donations from unnamed Mongolian "friends"?
Tory MP (and known headbanger) doesn't see why foreign donations to UK politicians are such a bad thing: https://www.theguardian.com/politics/2023/jun/11/daniel-kawczynski-tory-mp-10000-donation-mongolian-friend
All seems completely legit.
Don’t we all have a ‘Mongolian Friend’ who wants to give us tens of thousands of quid for no particular reason whatsoever?
Tory MP (and known headbanger)
He's a great guy, always willing to give free advice to people down on their luck
"I can’t get a job. I can barely read and write. Look at me, I am missing a leg.
He described growing up in care after a troubled childhood as one of six siblings with alcoholic parents and brothers who turned to burgling to make ends meet.
He said: “I was placed into care at the age of ten but it was almost the best thing that happened to me because suddenly there was food everywhere."
Mr McGuigan’s education suffered as he was moved in and out of different care homes.
Daniel Kawczynski is of course privately educated.
Don’t we all have a ‘Mongolian Friend’ who wants to give us tens of thousands of quid for no particular reason whatsoever?
The donor who gave me all this money for no particular reason? Hmmm, you wouldn't know him, he's in Mongolia. Ooh, unfortunately, he's out of contact for the next few months and doesn't have access to his phone or email because he's...he's a nomad, out on the steppe with his herd.
More psychodrama over the honours list. Sunak acting tough, Johnson saying Sunak went back on his word. Rats in a sack. What fun
Also the 3 "resignations" have not actually officially happened yet
It’s America. You rock up with with half a billion in your arse pocket, you’re in
You can do it for around 100,000.
More psychodrama over the honours list. Sunak acting tough, Johnson saying Sunak went back on his word. Rats in a sack. What fun
And now Mad Nad is going off on one saying her peerage has been blocked because Rishi is a privately educated posh boy and he doesn’t want a northern working class girl in the Lords 😂
https://twitter.com/jasemonkey/status/1668368986793205760?s=46&t=1lK7Dw1b6RqGJyvufO-trQ
Also the 3 “resignations” have not actually officially happened yet
Mr Johnson was appointed to the Chiltern Hundreds post by the chancellor yesterday and is no longer an MP as a result. David Allen Green has the detail and the legal niceties that permit an MP to relinquish their seat (the sub-text is that without the sinecure appointments no MP could leave Parliament unless it was feet first).
Poor sunak just cannot catch a break
https://twitter.com/PolitlcsUK/status/1670164293633835008?t=zwBKWi6ugQi4XhyASEzLCg&s=19
This era of politics and of Conservatism in particular will no doubt be given a suitable name in the history books of the future.
I think Nadine's seat was a safe one but I do wonder if the Tories will hold onto any of this four (and counting...) seats?
I've just no idea how anyone can still vote Tory at this stage. I mean, you have to be morally lost to do so, surely?
I think Nadine’s seat was a safe one but I do wonder if the Tories will hold onto any of this four (and counting…) seats?
I spent the afternoon at my brothers and his very tory/brexity wife was slagging off dories for being an entitled cow, they are the next constituency over so it may be closer than you think
I’ve just no idea how anyone can still vote Tory at this stage. I mean, you have to be morally lost to do so, surely?
Even in the 'good' times you have to be morally lost to vote tory. A lot of people will not change and still be voting tory as they see it as best option for them/their wealth (which after all is what being a tory is all about).
Yes it isn't the best option in reality but they still believe it is. People are ****ing stupid.
IMO there have been worse Tory governments than the current one. Not a popular opinion on here I know as the general consensus appears to be that every Tory government is worse than the previous one.
If the electorate have been willing to vote into power the Tories despite their responsibility for recession and mass privatisation and mass unemployment, then it isn't beyond comprehension imo that the Tories should currently still enjoy some support.
And the moral integrity and honesty of past Tory leaders has not been any greater than current one, imo.
The Tories always only win elections by being dishonest - if they were honest they would stand no chance.
Harold Wilson once famously offered Ted Health a deal....."If you stop telling lies about Labour we promise to stop telling the truth about the Tories". Well Wilson didn't really, it was a joke, but you get the picture.
"No attempt at ethical or social seduction can eradicate from my heart a deep burning hatred for the Tory Party. So far as I am concerned they are lower than vermin."
- Nye Bevan 1948
https://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/amp/entry/david-cameron_b_1621999/
Oh dear Rishi, on 2 counts.
One for his othering of the Trans community behind closed doors when it appears no-one else can hear.
Secondly, that someone (a Boris supporter?) is then leaking secret recordings from it. I wonder what else they have on other subjects?
https://twitter.com/JolyonMaugham/status/1670463193532047361
The problem with that is that it will simply increase his appeal to their nasty, illiberal, reactionary base. He probably leaked it himself, as the core Tory vote love all that shit. It’s all just part of the culture war, which is pretty much all they have left
Anyway… has anyone actually seen Rishi of late?
He seems to have adopted Boris’s policy of disappearing when thinks get sticky, which is every day at the moment. I wonder if he borrowed a big fridge to hide in? Other than on an immigrant-bashing photoshoot, he’s been completely invisible and silent while all this Boris/Partygate debacle has unravelled
I wonder which country he’ll pop up in tomorrow?
Because he sure as shit won’t be anywhere near the house of commons for the vote on Johnson’s sanction, spineless coward that he is. I’m going for him putting in an appearance in Ukraine for a photoshoot with some British supplied shooty things