Indeed. More Partygate stuff coming out, the embarrassment of tomorrow’s ongoing clown circus, more Tory MP rats leaving the sinking ship, mortgage rates going through the roof, further interest rate rises to come, inflation staying high, decimating peoples incomes, more strikes, a huge recession looming into view, but…. what about those blokes in dresses, eh? 🙄
IMO there have been worse Tory governments than the current one
Presume you're just trolling but such as? The contempt for parliamentary procedure, convention, the contempt for the electorate, and lies after lies after lies! It's been a staggeringly duplicitous government. Lies to the queen. Illegal proroguement of parliament. Ministers don't even bother to show up to answer urgent questions in the house! A former PM judged by their peers to have lied to the House goes on the assault to denigrate the process by which they are judged and quits before their larger group of peers can decide whether or not to apply the recommended punishment. Then further breaks ministerial rules by taking a new job without clearing it. At least in the past Tories who were caught in the lie or with their pants down in the wrong place had the decency to resign. This lot have just doubled down with a sneer and a laugh. The amount of governmental money thought to have disappeared through fraud in the past year was 20bn FFS!
But no, you're right - they're all the same aren't they? 🙄
Rishi Sunak mocks trans women in leaked video footage
Maybe I misunderstood what Rishi Sunak was saying in that clip but I took it more that he was mocking Keir Starmer, for getting himself in a right pickle when he was asked whether women have penises.
Even Starmer's Shadow Secretary of State for Health and Social Care, Wes Streeting, couldn't defend Starmer's weirdly confusing response to whether women have penises when he had to publicly declare "Men have penises, women have vaginas, here ends my biology lesson".
Wes Streeting was able to make a clear distinction with people transitioning due to gender dysphoria, something which apparently Starmer was struggling with.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/wes-streeting-trans-rights-women-penis-b2047117.html
I agree that it is not likely to harm Sunak for people to be reminded how Starmer got himself in a pickle over a straightforward question which Wes Streeting had no trouble answering.
Presume you’re just trolling but such as?
As I said "Not a popular opinion on here". And if you have an opinion which is at odds with what is perceived to the correct opinion on stw you can be fairly certain that you will be accused of "trolling", what possible other explanation could there be for someone having an incorrect opinion?
Yeah I think Thatcher's governments which created recession, misery, 3 million unemployed, destroyed industries and communities, pissed north sea oil, and shackled the trade unions, was worse than the current government.
But dismiss that as trolling, if it makes things simpler for you.
Arguing about the relative comparative merits of various Tory administrations is a bit like asking who your favourite serial killer is, surely?
They’re all utter ****s!
Good point. Thatcher's favourite serial killer was Pol Pot.
I thought it was Pinochet?
But dismiss that as trolling, if it makes things simpler for you
You're hardly unable to defend yourself, and I guess I fell in to your trap, however in my defence I'll give you lord lebedev of Siberia and Hampton, the massive explosion of foodbanks in this country, 4% year on year reduction in GDP, the housing crisis, the NHS crisis, the education crisis, the public services crisis, and an estimated 30k excess deaths as a result of COVID when compared to our peers in the western world.
By what measure of worse do we measure for the worst tory government?
Thatcher was probably more malign but this lot are more incompetent and corrupt
Absolutely.
Thatcher set in motion the disintegration of the UK and lied her way through an economic model that is now responsible for nearly all of our issues. She convinced a lot of smart people.
Too much trigger warning and outrage over current government piss-head logic without bigger picture analysis.
It's much harder to measure the steady decline of right-wing economics than it is current Tory slap ups. If Neoliberal policies hadn't carved up society there would have been less piss boiling over blaming other people, migrants, lazy and disabled etc.
Reality - it is all linked - Sunak/Johnson are carrying around an economic model that ran out of steam and offers nothing.
They are literally bored of even bothering to fix things.
Thatcher’s favourite serial killer was Pol Pot.
I thought it was her Re: Belgrano?
Next year we'll have mortages up £4k a year, stricter border controls (so even costlier imports), NHS likely collapse, fuel prices no doubt going up, everything going properly downhill.
Rish! to call a quick snap election now then blame Labour for all the woes coming and bounce straight back in the following term?
<p style="text-align: left;">Rish! to call a quick snap election now then blame Labour for all the woes coming and bounce straight back in the following term?</p>
Yeah I think September/October.
I makes sense to do back end of Summer, it's as good as it's going to get.
Interest rates probably have 18month lag and 6% will be the killer.
Why wait?
You’re hardly unable to defend yourself
I don't need to defend myself. If you believe that deliberately lying to the House of Commons about attending a party is worse than deliberately implementing policies which resulted in recession and over 3 million unemployed, with all the consequential misery that brought, including suicides, alcohol and substance abuse, poverty, crime, violence, etc etc, it speaks volumes about your moral compass, priorities, and values.
How terribly middle-class of STW to believe that the worse thing a Tory prime minister can do is to lie to parliament.
And I get accused of trolling?
and I guess I fell in to your trap
Yeah my "trap". Me having a different opinion to yours is obviously a "trap".
Since the accepted way of dealing with a "troll" is not to respond how about ignoring my posts in the future? 💡
Arguing about the relative comparative merits of various Tory administrations is a bit like asking who your favourite serial killer is, surely?
They’re all utter ****s!
I don't think anyone is arguing merits of Tory administrations.
Inequality and poverty is still sky-high and I can't remember the last piece of news or discussion about that in the face of modern scandals.
I know which one needs most attention.
I don’t need to defend myself. If you believe that deliberately lying to the House of Commons about attending a party is worse than deliberately implementing policies which resulted in recession and over 3 million unemployed, with all the consequential misery that brought, including suicides, alcohol and substance abuse, poverty, crime, violence, etc etc, it speaks volumes about your moral compass, priorities, and values.
Generally shocked this actually needs to be said but clearly it does.
If you believe that deliberately lying to the House of Commons about attending a party is worse than deliberately implementing policies which resulted in recession and over 3 million unemployed, with all the consequential misery that brought, including suicides, alcohol and substance abuse, poverty, crime, violence, etc etc, it speaks volumes about your moral compass, priorities, and values.
Yeah but it's the equivalent of getting Capone on tax evasion charges rather than, y'know, a lot of gangland murders.
Without this whole lying to Parliament thing, Boris would still be an MP, he'd still be writing his own history as Got Brexit Done and painting a picture where some kind of evil anti-growth coalition/Corbyn/Starmer/remoaners were responsible for all his other ****-ups but now an ever increasing majority of people can see him for what he is.
How terribly middle-class of STW to believe that the worse thing a Tory prime minister can do is to lie to parliament
Side stepping all the other things I'd raised. I'm sure there's nothing else there to address. Hardly worth worrying about really. Enjoy your evening.
Side stepping all the other things I’d raised.
You included "Then further breaks ministerial rules by taking a new job without clearing it" FFS. And lying to the Queen!
You must have a very high opinion of past Tory governments if you think those couple of examples are worse than anything previous Tory governments have done!
How did taking a new job without "clearing it" affect the lives of your average working man or woman? Tell me.
Have you ever heard about "austerity"? Or don't little things like that bother you? ......after all lying to the Queen is far worse!
Yes you're absolutely correct. Goodnight.
So… anyway… this Rishi Sunak bloke? The one in the thread title….
Anyone actually think he’ll show his face tomorrow? That he’ll actually take a stand for his proposed ‘honesty, integrity and professionalism’ he said he was going to bring back to number 10?
Or will he hide himself away as his party either vote in support of Johnson or abstain, then try to pretend it never happened and just hope it all goes away?
I'd bet a tenner he's a no show. Got to be a border force boat he hasn't had his picture taken on yet.
Anyone actually think he’ll show his face tomorrow? That he’ll actually take a stand for his proposed ‘honesty, integrity and professionalism’ he said he was going to bring back to number 10?
Lol - No who ever expects a Tory to be that person?
The constant magic roundabout of Tory behaviour is like a Guardian soap opera.
"What about the poor ?" - **** them - there's this Sunak bloke to be surprised at.
TBH I didn’t mind Maggie,I’m not saying she didn’t cause a lot of pain but I think she actually thought about the country and tried to do things (however wrong)with for the good of the ‘country’ whereas the current batch are blatantly just out for the good of themselves.
Oddly the old people who adore Boris are exactly the same who would have been outraged at the newspaper coverage of his bullingdon boys exploits.
Sunaks just a total p-take thou a multi millionaire anointed by the few, when a GE should have been called.
That democratically elected leader the public voted for,Oh sorry that was BJ.
(Tecnically not true but I’m pretty sure that was the intent not Truss or Javids little helper)
Latest attempt at distraction is to racialise the council house waiting list whilst cutting back on social housing. Genius.
I think she actually thought about the country and tried to do things (however wrong)with for the good of the ‘country’
Thatcher's commitment to inequality was touching, despite widespread and overwhelming opposition to her flagship policy, the poll tax, she pressed on regardlessly.
The Tories were eventually forced to humiliatingly sack her when she became a huge and obvious electoral liability.
Such a shinning example for today's Tories!
Rishi confirming that he ‘wouldn’t want to influence anyones decision’. And now they're talking about debating the commissions findings about Johnson, but using parliamentary process to stop there being an actual vote.
He really is a complete shithouse…
https://twitter.com/johnjcrace/status/1670702215072194560?s=46&t=1lK7Dw1b6RqGJyvufO-trQ
TBH I didn’t mind Maggie, I’m not saying she didn’t cause a lot of pain but I think she actually thought about the country and tried to do things (however wrong)with for the good of the ‘country’
Absolute rubbish. I am assuming you don't live in the north where her ideological war against the miners destroyed communities with no thought whatsoever as to what would replace those lost jobs. Relentless privatisation? How's that working out for you?
Thatcher saw the working class as expendable collateral in her culture war. She was nasty. She never thought of the good of the country.
Yes you’re absolutely correct. Goodnight.
I love the way people on this forum flounce off when someone challenges their views. 😂
Maybe they should do this in parliament too? How long before Rishi legs it from PMQs after calling Starmer an evil troll?
Generally shocked this actually needs to be said but clearly it does.
I think most people have forgotten that in 1981 Thatcher *deliberately* crashed the economy and threw 3 million people on the dole (that was before she crushed the miners) for an ideological experiment. It was nothing short of a war on the working class. They might as well have sent tanks into northern towns.
*deliberately* crashed the economy... ...for an ideological experiment
Sounds eerily familiar.
This time around it's about making the workforce poorer, rather than creating a pool of unemployed.
WTF is Sunak running around a working hospital?
He should just **** off back to his desk and get on with the stuff that needs sorting.
Although I don't believe he actually wants to fix anything, just make sure him and his like grab even more wealth.
Thatcher's plan was the deliberate destruction and disenfranchisement of the working class.
Remove well paid, unionised jobs, close libraries, sell off school playing fields, privatise essential services etc. The conscious creation and subsequent demonisation of said underclass, along with the disabled, the 'different' and anyone else they don't like. All achieved.
What a wonderful legacy.
My assessment is that Thatcher had and ideology and genuinely believe it would modernise the UK bringing riches with it.
The fact is it was a disaster we have never recovered from that sewed the seeds for future economic disasters like this lot have inflicted on us thru incompetence and hubris.
The current shower have no shared ideology. Just a lot of socipathic power grabbing and hatred for others and are being used as tools by all sorts of nasty folk.
My assessment is that Thatcher had and ideology
She did. I've described it above.
.....genuinely believe it would modernise the UK bringing riches with it.....
That's the bit I disagree with, sadly.
If you mean bring riches for the few, whilst destroying the lives of those she was incapable of empathising with and actively despised, you have a point.
The current shower have no shared ideology. Just a lot of socipathic power grabbing and hatred for others and are being used as tools by all sorts of nasty folk.
The current lot would do exactly the same as Thatcher if they needed to, but she largely beat them to it. I regard them as worse as they will do anything Thatcher did and have a complete disregard for rules and norms of public service.
The current shower have no shared ideology. Just a lot of socipathic power grabbing and hatred for others and are being used as tools by all sorts of nasty folk.
Purely because the ideology doesn't work so what else have they got?
The fact that Starmer is about to run with the same model tells you so much about the ignorance over Conservative universe building, and it's imitations.
Grown-ups will never fix this current economic model because it's on the brink by design.
The current shower have no shared ideology.
The reason the current shower are ideologically ruderless is because Thatcherism has failed.
genuinely believe it would modernise the UK bringing riches with it.
Thatcher didn't give a toss about the UK, she had far more commitment to wealthy foreign elite than she had to the average Brit.
And not everything Thatcher did was driven by idealogical commitment, Section 28, which she is famously associated with, was simply an act of blatant bigotry.
Thatcher did indeed have a plan and a mission. It was to destroy the working classes and the unions in a spiteful act of vandalism, as revenge for bringing down the last conservative government
Now, the country is just completely rudderless and has been for years. Johnson arrived in office with no other plan than simply to be in office and then surrounded himself with a similar bunch of self-serving grifters
If you can find any ideology at work here other than.... erm... something, something... Brexit, then you're doing better than me. We've reached the logical conclusion of hands-off, small-state governance, where 'the state' essentially does absolutely nothing other than dish out taxpayers money to their mates in return for providing the very basest, threadbare level of public services. They're just grifters.
It was Thatcher that coined the phrase 'managed decline'. There wasn't much 'managed' about it from where I saw it. It was just decline. Rapid decline, bordering on scorched earth decimation of our communities.
Now this lot have just taken that and run with it, happy to sit back as everything collapses as around us, because they and their disaster capitalist mates are doing quite nicely out of it
If one image summed up Thatchers time in power, then its this:
If you wanted one image to sum up this present government, its this
I love the way people on this forum flounce off when someone challenges their views. 😂
Maybe they should do this in parliament too? How long before Rishi legs it from PMQs after calling Starmer an evil troll?
Poor attempt to keep the pot boiling whilst the original combatants have let it go.
2/10
If you can find any ideology at work here other than…. erm… something, something… Brexit
Because you've only focused on Brexit and corruption. That's why you can't see it.
Oh lordy - the myth is that the private sector funds the state and the private sector needs to grow to make it work.
That is bullshit and demonstrably false. Remember *after* the pandemic Johnson announced - we are not socialists.
This is the point - all the scandals are obscuring this with noise.
Back to Sunak…
How is discussing whether Rishi Sunak has any idealogical commitment not about Sunak?
Unfortunately for Sunak
the Tory civil war is not slowing down
whoever is dripfeeding these leaks
https://twitter.com/stephenkb/status/1670776878645346304
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-65952298