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There should be a mechanism where a GE can be forced when it’s clear the PM cannot form a government.
Thats what is what a vote of no confidence is for. Problem is when the mps become loyal again for five minutes to defeat it.
Don’t forget that as well as Mad Lizzie and 30p Lee, Cruella is also out there babbling about Islamist cabals taking over the country and other such tinfoil-helmeted nonsense
She was Home Secretary until a couple of months ago, appointed by Sunak 6 days after she was sacked for breaking the ministerial code. She’s also widely tipped as the next party leader and she’s out there spouting completely unhinged conspiracy-theory claptrap in the national press
Well Starmer will be the problem when he is PM so let's see what amazing stuff he gets done, i.e. nothing but agree that at least we don't have to put up with these tory nutters being in charge for 5 years.
If the tories get back in in 5 years time it will be time for me to retire to Ireland I think.
Yeah but but but but Starmer is worse, he’s the real problem.
Give it a break ffs.
do we think Anderson will be a Reform MP
by next week?
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Just in...30p lee suspended.
kimbers - that, I think, shortens the odds on him becoming a Reform MP within days.
If he's been suspended, it should be truss next - and quickly.
There are some decent Tory MPs, no matter what the party as a whole is / has become. I disagree with their politics and policies but there are some who are still (relatively) decent people.
Are none of them going to either stand up and say enough is enough, or do it behind the scenes and demand these lunatics are unwhipped.
[edit - just saw Anderson has been suspended so maybe that is happening behind the scenes
Didn’t Rishi say the other week that 30p Lee was going to be a key part of their campaign team to connect with red wall voters?
I’m sure he will be a key part of the campaign team… for the Reform party
So if Lee is suspended then surely Cruella must be too as she’s been saying exactly the same thing
the Lettuce will be getting nervous.
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Just in…30p lee suspended.
kimbers – that, I think, shortens the odds on him becoming a Reform MP within days.If he’s been suspended, it should be truss next – and quickly.
I would say he probably had that in mind before he even made the comment. They are so bloody predictable in their grifting.
There is a big Labour push - canvassing and leafleting - in anderson's constituency this weekend.
My CLP are actively involved; I couldn't be there due to other commitments.
I expect to find out how it went at the branch meeting on Monday.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-68392621
The Conservative Ashfield MP told GB News on Friday "Islamists" had "got control" of the mayor of London.
Obviously unacceptable nonsense but I don't see how it is much different to what David Cameron said when he was PM.
Which was that Sadiq Khan had on nine occasions shared a platform with an Islamic State (ISIS) supporter. This was a complete lie and in fact the individual concerned was a Tory supporter who had done election work for the Tories. He later successfully sued the Defence secretary Michael Fallon for repeating the same allegations.
David Cameron never apologised for making false claims that Sadiq Khan was chummy with jihadists and he certainly didn't have the Tory whip suspended.
30p Lee needs to realise that only former Bullingdon Club members can get away with that sort of nonsense.
I'm not sure he'd have much chance after getting re-elected as a Reform MP, im sure he would happily join the party until he gets booted out at the next GE, but his focus will be on the GBnews £shop fash grift.
Be interesting to see what happens
Sunak under pressure over braverman, truss & jenrick too, tho he wont do too much about them.
and the tory press will have to now attack anyone 30p has lunch with as racist by association, right?
labour moving on to exploit Sunak's next problem
https://twitter.com/UKLabour/status/1761499202956198332?t=2MOkKP7d9LQYmYNxlXDxTg&s=19
I’m not sure he’d have much chance after getting re-elected as a Reform MP,
Reform UK have already selected their candidate for Ashfield. And he sounds like an all-round great guy!
From his role as a combat medic in Afghanistan to his voluntary work in a health and social care and his psychological counselling in prisons.
He even claims to be a mountain bike instructor FFS
https://www.reformparty.uk/ashfield-constituency
And he was brought up on the Continent.
So 30p Lee had the whip withdrawn because he made specific allegations against Sadiq Khan
Saying that Islamic extremists are running the country is apparently fine, so no action will be taken against Braverman
Standing on a platform next to a far right loon like Bannon, grinning inanely while he’s praising Tommy Robinson as ‘a hero’ is fine too
Thems the conclusions Rishi has drawn
Difficult to see who he’s trying to appeal too other than far right nutjobs
But really he’s too scared of Truss and Braverman as he knows plenty more in the Tory party fully support their toxic racist worldview, but he can’t upset those headbangers, can we?
And hopefully it will put even more people off from voting Tory either because he is weak or because what the likes of Truss and Braverman are coming out with/doing. Unless that 20% that remains strong in the polls are the number that like that sort of stuff which is not great is it.
That reform candidate... I understand where he is coming from, especially with the desire for something other than mediocre representation/leadership, but I think he needs to understand that the old role of the UK in the world has changed and will continue to change in the future.
It's not about making the UK great again, it's about making it fairer within the country and finding a comfortable place with the others around you.
I agree with getting kids into STEM though, not just throwing "coding" at them like it's a panacea.
Oliver Dowden melting into a puddle on Laura K this morning, Despite the softest of questions on Truss, Anderson & Braverman .. he just wilts
the video of Truss & Bannon had him gibbering
I am a little surprised that Yaxley-Lennon is still a talking point and poster boy for the financiers of the far right populist movement. I think it shows that while they have money to invest and platform hate, they don't really have any masterplan, it is still just greedy sociopaths lucking out that a corrupt system allows them to have impact they have.
So 30p Lee had the whip withdrawn because he made specific allegations against Sadiq Khan
The Tories absolutely hate Khan. He's everything they're not - capable, decent, educated, tolerant (in fact welcoming) of diversity. They hate that he defeated Zac Goldsmith and Shuan Baliey for the London Mayor, they hate that he more or less got TfL back on level footing after Boris Johnson had squandered billions in Garden Bridge and Boris Island Airport bollocks.
And especially since Covid they've tried to use TfL (and by extension Khan) as a political football, cutting funding, only agreeing to finance packages at the last second, re-arranging the Mayoral election process to benefit them...
Good that the loathsome Anderson has been called out on this but the comments remain out there, magnified by the far-right. You only have to glance at the Mayor of London twitter to see some of the vile anti-Muslim and racist comments that any tweet gets - OK a lot of it will be bots etc but some of it is certainly genuine.
the Lettuce will be getting nervous
the lettuce would have been a better choice.
lettuce isnt as dangerous
https://twitter.com/lukecooper100/status/1761097211239153835?t=A2WgLZSwi6YKSd0CiyeYog&s=19
Just read a little bit of the homepage of that Reform candidate. Good lord, who actually writes these things?! Absolutely awful grammar etc and then halfway down the statement that 'the unelected government is far to slow to change, leading to knee jerk reactions'.
How the hell can a knee jerk reaction be characterised as a slow response?!
The bloke seems like a genuine vacuum of insight.
Oliver Dowden melting into a puddle on Laura K this morning, Despite the softest of questions on Truss, Anderson & Braverman .. he just wilts
The fact that a complete non-entity like Oliver Dowden has held various cabinet roles tells you everything you need to know about where the Tory party presently is.
The elephant in the room this morning though is the fact that Rishi is still hiding in a fridge and clearly won’t condemn Cruella or Truss for their latest outbursts because he’s too weak and he knows they have more support within the party than he does.
It wouldn’t surprise me if both of those two started coming out with even more extreme nonsense to goad Rishi into withdrawing the whip and making them martyrs in the eyes of the swivel-eyed loons that make up the membership and a big chunk of backbench MPs. Maybe Liz could do a photoshoot with Tommy Robinson?
Yaxley-Lennon is presently all over social media, crowing with his latest endorsement and talking about ‘Islamic mob rule’.
Rishi isn't hiding in a fridge this morning, he's out doing photoshoots with climate change deniers in Wales.
Rishi isn’t hiding in a fridge this morning, he’s out doing photoshoots with climate change deniers in Wales.
Hanging out with the Gilet Jones is definitely going to backfire
the guy leading that movement is a bit of a ****
maybe @Welshfarmer has a better perspective
https://twitter.com/Welsh_Dragon_71/status/1761402467059696124?t=CrMmhwVs6gXR0oiSZk0QlA&s=19
Caught an old HIGNFY (I think) on iplayer last night. Ian Hislop referred to 30p Lee as “Leeanderthal”. Thought that was pretty apt.
Caught an old HIGNFY (I think) on iplayer last night. Ian Hislop referred to 30p Lee as “Leeanderthal”. Thought that was pretty apt.
If you like a bit of Hislop, this is well worth a watch:
Hasn't 30p Lee been suspended for not apologising rather than the comments themselves?
wowzers some very random rumours about Sunak's private life on Twitter 👀👀
anyway the reason that they cant say they fired anderson for islamaphobia, is that the Tories are bitterly divided over the culture war theyve been stroking
the relationship between ukip/bxp/reform and the tory party has never been resolved
https://twitter.com/JAHeale/status/1761839432561304020?t=P84RCzIL0dqCbGjEgz73LA&s=19
sunak's private life - has been mixing with...poor people?
That would be truly shocking.
Hasn’t 30p Lee been suspended for not apologising rather than the comments themselves?
It seems that’s exactly it.
Feel free to gob off with your nasty racism, far right propaganda and bonkers conspiracy theories but play the game and make some token non-apology with the usual “I’m sorry/not sorry if people were offended….blah blah blah” And that’s all absolutely fine
Braverman has said exactly the same thing as 30p Lee, if not worse, in an article in the Torygraph but she’s fine because Rishi is scared of her so she knows he hasn’t got the balls to do owt about it
Lees problem is that Rishi isn’t scared of him as he was only ever just a useful idiot. A shit-thick northerner to act as a fig leaf for the privately educated southern posh boys while they try to appeal to other shit-thick northerners
The polling tells them that the ‘Red Wall’ seats they won last time are already lost so there’s not really much use for a shit-thick northerner any more.
Looking in from afar it's both sad yet not surprising how many of the Conservative MPs appear on GB News.....
@alpin the word isn’t (just) appear, it’s PRESENT. They do both, they interview each other. It’s the ultimate scumbag echo chamber.
Look, Tories have succeeded at something! While every other policy and ambition lies in tatters, they've really knocked it out the park on this one.
https://twitter.com/CentralBylines/status/1761648472191627553?t=7X3taSJmH_8lGUF8U9MEVA&s=19
Tough call for badenoch here, her image is built on not backing down from a fight, but she's ended up with egg on her face recently
She cant abandon the hard right grift, because she knows thats her route to power
https://twitter.com/SayeedaWarsi/status/1762025641124253743?t=OaP83YttEbHembY9FJHDnw&s=19
Genuine question, how many Muslims actually vote Tory?
Poor Rishi, he's off on a little tour of the wastelands of the North with Transport Secretary Mark Harper to explain how the money from HS2 cancellation* is going to be spent on a few new horses and carts but all the questions are about Anderson and Islamophobia.
* Money that wasn't due to be borrowed for another decade so technically doesn't exist and can't be reallocated anyway... 🙄
Just in case anyone forgets what this month's Transport Secretary looks like (or if he forgets what his own job is!), he has a helpful jacket.
https://twitter.com/peterwalker99/status/1762014591049961685?t=mgV_DgGrMWVvlFBaKmKWlg&s=19
That Reform bloke looking to unseat 30p Lee, his actual name is "Frenchy Henry Charles Stephen Grisewood".
Reckon there's more to him than we currently know.