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Will the hate press embrace trump?
Who cares?! (see points above).
Do the BBC still do that ‘What the papers say’ slot on the evening news?
It's on BBC News channel, and Radio4... but it's pretty much redundant now that BBC journalism has been stripped to the bone... most of their "reporting" is repeating news from the papers now. It's all the new shorter and cheaper Newsnight is going to be doing when the next lot of cuts hit... commentators talking about the news of the day... no real reporting at all.
The Next Tory Leader, whether in opposition or government, will have to preside over and attempt to settle the infighting between the "right" and "moderate" wings for ultimate control. Reform is just the current vehicle for the Right.
Those Ex-Kippers now fanning the flames with their 'Reform' pamphlets know exactly what they're doing, hurt the party to help push them into opposition, and then nudge control into less rational hands as they start looking to regroup. The likes of Anderson, Braverman and Badenoch are their useful idiots on the inside (whether they realise or not).
I don’t think the tabloids hold much sway now, however they have been replaced by much more efficient misinformation efforts on social media. Unfortunately the right wing populists are quite happy to fund and engage with these misinformation tools and campaigns, while the centrists just capitulate to them.
I'm not so sure, Yes sound bites and social media paint a picture, but it's still not uncommon for the trigger to be "longform" journalism in one of the Rags. if a minister wants to cause a stir in social media they contribute a piece to the Telegraph of the Mail and then sit back and let the twitterati and the podcasters do the rest.
as for broadcast news without the Blair government helping Rupert out, Sky news wouldn't be as much of a popular source as it is today.
Editorial decisions in the "old media" still impact the narrative disproportionately, even if most of the readership are other journalists and SPADs.
Editorial decisions in the “old media” still impact the narrative disproportionately, even if most of the readership are other journalists and SPADs.
But that's a small cohort of the general electorate, so still not really significant influence, more of a small political circle jerk.
if a minister wants to cause a stir in social media they contribute a piece to the Telegraph of the Mail and then sit back and let the twitterati and the podcasters do the rest.
OK, I can understand this point, but then it's still Social media that's doing the heavy lifting.
Anyway, sorry off topic. Back to Lil Rishi and his current woes. (tiny violin broken out).
the likes of Shapps, Cleverley, Anderson, Coutinho, Trott, Keegan…Esther McVey (FFS). Imagine working by choice with such a collection of dullards, thugs and shysters?
That's out of order. I mean wrong order. It goes Shyster, Thug, Dullard, Lier, Spaddy, Sweary, and Doc(tor the facts).
Editorial decisions in the “old media” still impact the narrative disproportionately, even if most of the readership are other journalists and SPADs.
I think the much bigger problem now is "nudge" psychology using algorithms on new media to hook people and drive them further to false points of view.
eg recognizing you like cycling, feeding made up stories how the EU will negatively impact you cycling, as your resentment to the EU grows suggest Labour don't care that the EU remove your rights etc and keep building fake stories on top of misinformation to reel people in.
It is constant and each piece might only be small but the relentless nature drives big changes in attitude, it is cult like programming at a societal level.
Yep, confirmed by the Beeb.
Poor old Sunak, it's going to be a late night for him. 😁
It's a school night too.
kelvin
Full Member
What’s the point of all this? All these rebels wanting to vote to make the policy one that won’t be supported by Rwanda? If this isn’t about undermining Sunak to replace him… what do they hope to achieve?
There are so many bloody factions in their party now I doubt they really know what they want anymore.
Anderson had to vote this way though or he would get slaughtered on his main gig as a TV presenter. He's just making sure he has a job/grift after the GE.
to make the policy one that won’t be supported by Rwanda
Exit strategy for the whole Rwanda thing as they (Rwanda) will be to blame 🤷🏼♂️
They don't believe Rwanda will refuse to support it and they believe all the amendments are compatible with international law
Alice laughed. “One can’t believe impossible things,” she said to the White Queen. The Queen observed that Alice simply lacked discipline and practice, boasting that she sometimes believed “as many as six impossible things before breakfast.”
These folk have the discipline and practice to believe loads of impossible things
Exit strategy for the whole Rwanda thing as they (Rwanda) will be to blame
Every so often I have to remind myself of how much government time, and money is spent on this white elephant. With all the genuine issues the country has it's as if the government has a collective mental health issue. Self harm at a guess.
It'd almost be amusing if it wasn't for the fact we so desperately need a functioning government at the moment.
So will the 60 who tried to amend the bill now vote it through anyway?
What a total *ing shitshow
Honest Bob stood up in Parliament before and said ‘the world is watching’ with regards to the Rwanda policy.
They are indeed and they’re laughing their *ing tits off!
Just look at where this gang of Brexiteer morons have dragged this country to. An international laughing stock
30p lee has, reportedly, just resigned as deputy chairman.<br /><br />
oh no, please don’t go Lee. <br /><br />
I thought it was amusing when it was reported earlier today that he was ‘threatening to resign’. its not really my understanding of the word ‘threat’.
<br />it’s like threatening Binners with the keys to Greggs.
So will the 60 who tried to amend the bill now vote it through anyway?
Yes, because otherwise those who don't want it at all will win. Rishi realised the safest place to be is in the middle of the battlefield because both sides are lobbing their shells over his head at each other!
Who do the rebels think they are impressing and what did they think the rebellion was going to achieve? the only times rebellions achieve anything is if the opposition are going to vote the same way as the rebels.
Probably just self interest, I suspect they think that in their seats they can present a case for "doing everything we can to stop those nasty foreigners stealing a living from British patriots" they don't care if they damage the country or party as long as they can keep on riding the gravy train.
All this fuss to stop 5% of this country's net migration. Its more about validating shouting at "foreigners" than anything else.
Its a ****ing disgrace.
All this fuss to stop 5% of this country’s net migration
It’s way worse than that. All this to ship a couple of hundred of that 5% to Africa
All to keep some far right nutjobs happy
It’s insane, but I’m enjoying watching these gang of utter morons choose this hill to be the one to die on
How many ministers has it seem off already?
I know we’ve been saying this for the last 20 years (or maybe even longer), but surely the schism between the One Nation Tories and the Right Wing nut-job Tories (and no, I refuse to call you ‘The Five Families’, you bunch of fantasist cretins) simply becomes too great and the party will finally split?
Like the schism between the left and right of Labour? Nah, it'll play out exactly the same, neither side will walk because that would mean giving up the name and that was already tried by Tinge. Or they could just do a UB40 I suppose.
But the overall aim of the tory party has always been to keep power and wealth in the hands of the powerful and wealthy
Must admit, my local list Tory is actually pretty decent, shame about the party he's in.
maccruiskeen
Full MemberI think I was the great Sir Henry Rawlinson who said “I don’t know what I want but I want it now”
Nah, that was the irish poet Andy Cairns
the problem for all these rats deserting hms tory is that there's only so many jobs available on Gbnews
meanwhile the Tory whips will be desperately busy tonight trying to bribe & blackmail the slimy rebels
Nah, that was the irish poet Andy Cairns
Fried or Fired?
the Fail describe it as "Flagship Policy" fancy hanging your whole tenure on this debacle!
Just watching all this absolutely unhinged shenanigans playing out on Newsnight and seriously… WTF?!
Its clearly such a complete car crash that surely to Christ any sane voter, no matter who they usually vote for, are looking at this absolute rabble squabbling between themselves and thinking ‘and you want me to vote for another 5 years of this shit? Seriously?!’
What planet are you living on to make this your flagship policy and think this is a vote winner?
Absolutely detached from reality
It’s way worse than that. All this to ship a couple of hundred of that 5% to Africa
Dont forget the agreement is that some vulnerable refugees can be sent the other way.
I believe currently that side of the agreement is working so money well spent for those wanting to keep asylum seekers out. We have paid a shedload for, admittedly few, refugees coming to the UK.
pantomime politics
30p Lee has just chucked it so he can join reform, he knows he won't get in as a tory again so is trying his best to stay on the gravy train
Just watching all this absolutely unhinged shenanigans playing out on Newsnight and seriously… WTF?!<br /><br />
I’m watching it now and Henry Hill Conservative Home gobshit reminds me of a weeble I had as a kid, anyone remember “weebles wobble but the don’t fall down”?
Various inflation metrics up - in an apparently *unexcepected* move.
Lmfao.
It's not a surprise if you're not an idiot and believe anything the government and their bank do is logical.
"Our plan is working."
Who'd have thought inflation movement would be straight down?
The only thing that Tories have is tax cuts, low inflation and low interest rates and the argument for all of those being in place is doomed because of screamong monetarist logic.
Just watching all this absolutely unhinged shenanigans playing out on Newsnight and seriously… WTF?!
Trouble is, you are one of Newsnight's seventeen viewers. Most voters are unaware it even exists.
I'm more concerned that a government minister can go on BBC Breakfast and be completely unchallenged when he claims that Rishi has brought inflation down. At least a few more people are watching.
A lot of people are waking up in subzero temperatures in houses they can't afford to heat this morning, and it's important they understand that this government is not riding to their rescue.
I’m more concerned that a government minister can go on BBC Breakfast and be completely unchallenged when he claims that Rishi has brought inflation down.
I hate to say it, but they are more likely to be challenged on Good Morning Britain
It's okay, Jeremy Hunt is good with it. We just need to stay on plan with those difficult decisions and it will be sweet.
(Yeah I didn't post this in a specific Jeremy Hunt thread, what a rebel eh)
off we go further down the rabbit hole. The tories want to amend the civil service code so that civil servants can be instructed to ignore injunctions from the european court. So they want to be able to instruct civil servants to break the law. Utter madness as their union points out!
But this idea has been dismissed as “madness” by Dave Penman, general secretary of the FDA, the union that represents senior civil servants. In an interview with Kevin Schofield from HuffPost, Penman said:
<br />They’re essentially advising civil servants to act illegally, which will put them in conflict between their obligation to uphold the rule of law and to follow their instructions from elected ministers.
Ministers have an obligation to not put civil servants in that position. This is madness – changing the civil service code does not change the law.