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tories taking entirely the wrong message & lurching even further to the right
enviously looking at the 1000 or so votes that went to reform uk while Hemorrhaging votes to the lib dems and scaring moderates into sitting on their hands. Labour always do well with a healthy libdem showing.
it's funny really. The tories had it made with the coalition, with so many Lib dem voters thought hey why not cut out the middle man and just vote tory. Seems that ship has well and truely sailed.
Just in case there’s any youngsters in tonight
It was on TOTP last night. Earworm refreshed into today.
Lib dem voters thought hey why not cut out the middle man and just vote tory.
There’s a horrible, more ironic, story about the end of collation. Many previous LibDem voters moved to Labour, or didn’t vote at all, to teach the LibDems a lesson for working with the Tories… in many seats (eg SW England) the collapse of the LibDem vote just returned Tory MPs, gifting Cameron his majority (and everything that has followed on from that). What’s the lesson here? I don’t know… other than in FPTP elections, remember who most needs defeating.
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I liked the Grandad put down! Just turned 50. But it’s my other half who insists on watching TOTP reruns every Friday. She’s also the one who turned me onto the Jam, she’s a massive fan and plays that song A LOT.
The scheme was poorly conceived in a hurry but at its heart was to keep the economy running and drive employment through Covid, not to personally enrich Rishi’s wife which it obviously hasn’t.
And you know for a FACT that she hasn't gained?
Bet you're also going to tell us you know for a fact she's also not still a Non-Dom?
Rishi has reacted to the electoral arse kicking by going full Liz Truss and is now preparing to announce (unfunded) tax cuts for the top 5% of earners and abolishing inheritance tax (which will also cost billions)
Yeah… that’ll do it. It went so well last time, after all 🙄
Problem is that Labour will have to reverse all this before they can even attempt to put things right and with the memory of your average voter being slightly less than a goldfish with dementia, then it will look like they are the party of tax and spend before they even start. Tories have absolutely nothing to lose with this policy
I would love to see the logic of how that is supposed to convince more centrist and swing voters to return - quite extra ordinary.
The last honorable Tory PM was John Major, and even he was dragged down by sleaze/expenses scandal, so it's nothing new, but looking back it looks pretty small beer in general. Nice bloke with genuine interest in public service tho'
Just a footnote to the whole HS2 fiasco but the Times- the ****ing Times!- is reporting negatively on the sale of HS2 land at a loss, describing it as a "fire sale" designed to make it harder for future governments to salvage anything from HS2.
THETIMES.CO.UK strong rumours that Jeremy Hunt is set to quit as an MP before the next election, because it's looking increasingly likely that he wouldn't win his seat.
That’s a shame. I’m sure we’ll all miss his facial expression, which always looks like someone has inserted their finger, just as he’s about to be interviewed
Looks like loads of them are standing down to avoid providing ‘The Portillo Moment’
Please let it be Truss and Rishi that have that honour
Just seen that reporting about hunt; oh dear, how sad, never mind.
I'm sure there will be many others thinking about the same.
The many US health companies who want a (bigger) slice of the NHS will be beating a path to his door.
If he - and others - quit before the GE ACOBA shouldbe very busy vetting and checking for conflicts of interest but...I say, old chap, be a good man won't you.
The many US health companies who want a (bigger) slice of the NHS will be beating a path to his door.
Dont worry those companies have a plan b.
If he – and others – quit before the GE ACOBA shouldbe very busy vetting and checking for conflicts of intere
Thats not even in their job description. They can say people cant lobby in the future but cant address why even if their lobbying potential is zero they get given cushy jobs.
As much as I dislike Pickles he has been vocal on how his job is essentially meaningless.
Looks like loads of them are standing down to avoid providing ‘The Portillo Moment’
Please let it be Truss and Rishi that have that honour
I can't even tempt fate by naming who I want to see playing the Portillo role. But I'm considering driving across the country in the hope of seeing it.
Update on Sunak's visit to my brother in laws ship...
He stayed overnight on the ship & slept in the captain's cabin (my BILs bed!)
he was very poshly spoken (for context my brother in law is a scouser who's grandfather was a bit to the left of Scargill, but most of the officers are public schoolboys & they thought he was v posh too) , but had memorised the family details of all the officers.
however he nicked one of my BILs good wooden coat hangers.
but had memorised the family details of all the officers.
Sounds like he has modified what he learnt from How to win friends and influence people. Learn to remember some details about a person and then refer to them when you next see them and will like you, although a better chance of that happening if you are not a ****ing awful tory PM.
maybe half the number of letters gone in,
if they lose Peter Bones seat that may go up. But most of them know a leadership election would not be a vote winner, even the f they had a viable replacement
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“One MP who spoke to the agitators said the groups believed that 20 to 25 letters of no confidence had either been submitted or were about to be submitted to the 1922 Committee”
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A good article by Andrew Rawnsley in this mornings Observer on this
Labour’s double whammy of byelection victories should make the Tories more scared
Whenever they get into trouble as terrible as this, the Tories have a traditional remedy. That is to dethrone the leader. While these byelection defeats have thickened their despair and triggered another bout of Tory hair-pulling, there is no serious agitation to topple Mr Sunak. Replacing him would mean installing their fourth leader since the last election. This is surely too preposterous even for the Conservative party
I can’t even tempt fate by naming who I want to see playing the Portillo role. But I’m considering driving across the country in the hope of seeing it.
I don't think Suella is going to lose her seat. 🙂
One can never tire of tory losses. Even in the darkest of days, the news of tory defeat warms the soul of even the most jaded observer.
when your embarrassing security breach,
exposes your lies about having lost your messages,
which exposes your lie about being transparent in government & the covid inquiry....
Intriguingly the PM told the Covid inquiry he couldn't access some old pandemic Whatsapps because he had changed his phone and had not backed them up...
But prankster video shows that number is still ringing...
— Harry Cole (@MrHarryCole) October 22, 2023
T.CO which exposes your lie about being transparent in government & the covid inquiry…
I hate to defend him but the phone ringing doesnt mean he still has the messages.
Chances are he would replace his phone yearly whilst keeping the same number.
If he had done so without backing up whatsapp first then the messages would have been lost.
That he subsequently got a new number/phone on becoming PM is irrelevant.
true, hut is there anyone that doesn't back up my their WhatsApp when swapping phones!?!
What's the point of backing up when you have the disappearing messages option switched on?
THEGUARDIAN.COM So happy to see that the cap on b(w)ankers bonuses is to be scrapped, this is exactly the right sort of forward thinking the country needs to improve the economic forecast of the country as I was worried we’d see a score of b(w)ankers on the streets cutting a sorry sight in their saville row suits as they turn tricks for food.
B(w)ankers bonus cap to be removed
I see that Honest Bob has been doing the rounds too, announcing that they will be moving migrants out of hotel accommodation immediately. He didn't specify where they were going to go instead. Rwanda, I presume.
He used the words 'illegal immigrants', not 'asylum seekers'
Yep, and just a day after they backtracked on the 'no fault eviction' ban legislation they said they were putting in place. They are clearly winding up for their (hopefully futile) election push. Surely there can't be enough people left alive in this country who still believe their lies to vote them back in?
Yep, and just a day after they backtracked on the ‘no fault eviction’ ban legislation they said they were putting in place
Absolutely nothing to do with most Tory MPs being landlords, I'm sure
If he had done so without backing up whatsapp first then the messages would have been lost.
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It's not really difficult, and I can't imagine that whoever it was that setup his new phone, didn't just copy across all apps from his own (and if he did it, he would've too).
IME he (and Johnson) are just lying.
Of course he’s lying, he's a Tory pm.
So happy to see that the cap on b(w)ankers bonuses is to be scrapped,
I sense this is going to be an unpopular opinion but...the banker's bonus cap is nuts today.
We should be encouraging these MegaBanks to be shovelling as much as possible in their bankers' pockets because 45% of it is immediately going to the Inland Revenue. If just one of these people gets a £100k bonus from Deutsche Bank, that's 2 NHS nursing assistants' salaries paid for a year, immediately.
Why are people so keen to protect HSBC's profit margins? ****em.
It's not about the total "pay" packet, it's about rewarding risky behaviour. People have short memories.
I sense this is going to be an unpopular opinion but…the banker’s bonus cap is nuts today.
As Kelvin says you fundamentally misunderstand the idea behind the ban.
It was put in after the crash because there was a significant disconnect between the incentives and the risks which led to behaviour which put the entire economy at risk for a years bonus.
You also have overly high optimism that the bonuses are paid in such a way to trigger decent tax. A lot of effort was putting into avoiding that.
Yes- it led to LIBOR and exchange rate rigging.
Of course he’s lying, he’s a Tory pm.<br /><br />
TBH, if I can see any politician’s lips moving I automatically assume they’re lying through their teeth. Or at the very least they’re being economical with the truth…
As Kelvin says you fundamentally misunderstand the idea behind the ban.
It was put in after the crash because there was a significant disconnect between the incentives and the risks which led to behaviour which put the entire economy at risk for a years bonus.
You also have overly high optimism that the bonuses are paid in such a way to trigger decent tax. A lot of effort was putting into avoiding that.
No, I don't, and no, I don't. The bankers bonus ban was specious nonsense at the time it was introduced, because it confused individual incentives with overall institutional risk management. But now we are a few years on. Where is the evidence it has been effective? It's witchcraft.
Well it's not often on a STW political thread that you get to hear that the EU is totally wrong and that Kwasi Kwarteng is in fact completely right.
Good for you PCA.
Well it’s not often on a STW political thread that you get to hear that the EU is totally wrong and that Kwasi Kwarteng is in fact completely right.
Has the merit of being correct too.
No, I don’t, and no, I don’t.
Yes of course. Its just you forgot to include the counter argument and went for a flawed one instead.
Since, after all, the argument against it is it has been balanced out by increase pay anyway and hence the tax argument is irrelevant. Unless you are arguing for either the pay to be shifted back to bonuses (with all the downsides) or just have a massive increase in pay for the bankers?
Has the merit of being correct too.
Well it certainly has the merit of reminding voters, struggling with a cost of living crises which they didn't create, and rising mortgages, where our billionaire Prime Minister's priorities lie.
Nice one 😎
maybe half the number of letters gone in,
if they lose Peter Bones seat that may go up. But most of them know a leadership election would not be a vote winner, even the f they had a viable replacement
I still find it astounding there isn’t a limit to Prime Minister resignations in one term without consequences.
Basically unless I’ve got it wrong, each one gets to claim up to £115000 per year and an honours list.
At this point they might as well let a couple more have a go before the election. Plus Ex Prime Minster can’t be too bad on the Cv.
Plus Ex Prime Minster can’t be too bad on the Cv.
Dunno, when everyone's had a turn it rather devalues the position.