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Yes Ernie - so the tories will on very rare occasion be budged by public opinion and labour can occasionally influence public opinion. However labour have zero influence directly on tory policy. never have and never will
give me one example where labour policy has directly affected tory policy which is what you claimed they could do?
Not hard to find TJ
Ermmmmmm
https://twitter.com/ElectionMapsUK/status/1601177300904869888?t=WzMWQxzbDgQ68uC8xRRdYg&s=19
20% for a governing UK party is frankly shocking.
Although I would question the accuracy of an opinion poll which puts the Reform Party in third place in front of the Liberal Democrats.
Also it claims a 3% drop in support for the Green Party, down to 6%. When was support for the Green Party at 9%, apparently higher than current LibDem support?
Also the PeoplePolling poll was commissioned by GB News, it doesn't come as a complete shock to me that a Nigel Farage friendly broadcaster poll should be so generous to the Reform Party at the expense of the Tories.
I don't know the purpose of the Reform Party is but whatever it is I doubt that there is a topical issue currently which is making them particularly attractive to voters.
The very latest poll by Omnisis out today looks more convincing to me : Tory 30% Lab 48% LibDem 9% Green 6% Reform 4%
I can’t believe that the Tories haven’t had a massive groundswell of public support for Jeremy Hunts proposal’s to deregulate the banking sector?
It went so well last time that I’m sure I’m not alone in wanting to see a hasty return to the pre-2008 world of finance as this is definitely the most pressing issue facing this nation right now
Set the bankers free! What could possibly go wrong?
I can’t believe that the Tories haven’t had a massive groundswell of public support for Jeremy Hunts proposal’s to deregulate the banking sector
Economic arguments aside, It does seem a massively daft move from a PR point of view in the midsy of a cost of living crisis
It struck me as a desperate move to try and stem the flow of the financial sector out of the UK post Brexit. It certainly isn't a vote winner. Another Brexy bonus.
I can’t believe that the Tories haven’t had a massive groundswell of public support for Jeremy Hunts proposal’s to deregulate the banking sector?
Dont forget the separate plan to remove those pesky restrictions on their bonuses.
I really cant see why people are upset.
They have clearly learnt their lessons and can be completely trusted nowadays.
I don’t think they care any more.
They don’t give a flying **** about the real issues that need sorting. They know they’re done, so the next two years will be a scorched earth policy of sorting out their mates and paymasters before the inevitable electoral annihilation
They don’t give a flying **** about the real issues that need sorting. They know they’re done, so the next two years will be a scorched earth policy of sorting out their mates and paymasters before the inevitable electoral annihilation
I think that's pretty much on point.
Ah, that was nice of Mckenzie to say thanks to the all the lads and lasses christmases they that he and his party ****ed for them.
Set the bankers free! What could possibly go wrong?
My 15 year old daughter exclaimed "Did they learn nothing from 2008!?"
She has a very politically active history teacher, so it was a fun lesson this afternoon.
I don’t think they care any more.
They don’t give a flying **** about the real issues that need sorting. They know they’re done, so the next two years will be a scorched earth policy of sorting out their mates and paymasters before the inevitable electoral annihilation
It's hard to disagree with that. Two years is an awfully long time to strip the shop bare now they've driven the XR3i through the front window. I really fear how much damage they will do.
“Did they learn nothing from 2008!?”
Oh, they have learned... learned how to keep idiots voting for them.
They haven't learned anything. They never GAF.
They haven’t learned anything. They never GAF.
The director general of the IEA has come out of hiding after his proteges complete failure.
Apparently the plans were great it was just the execution.
Anyone remember the elevator scene in the movie “Drive” with Ryan Gosling/Carey Mulligan?, that’s how I feel regarding the entire Tory cabinet/front bench shower of absolute bastards in power at the moment, alas with spms I could only dream of such vicious retribution so I’d have to settle for falling on the floor and chewing their ankles, much like an irate Yorkshire terrier.
They haven’t learned anything
They know full well that getting rid of the regulations placed on the financial sector will just usher back in exactly the same behaviour that brought about the crash in 2008
They just don’t care. Literally couldn’t give a ****
By the time history repeats itself, them and their mates will have trousered their millions in bonuses again and will waltz off into the sunset yet again leaving the rest of us to pick up the tab… again
All policy for the next two years will be exclusively serving the interests of their financial backers to the total exclusion of the interests of the rest of us
Lol Ex-banker gives the casino a better advantage shocker.
*Hey establishment, stop offering us right-wing pro big-business parties that work against the majority of the country's interests whilst selling off the state to the point of terminal destruction and falsely claiming there is no money left."
But left wingers are commies! And no one votes for left-wing these days.
"Ah okay. Here you go, two economically pro-market parties that preserve capital for the few, whilst not enacting the huge power of the state for redistribution and investment."
Cheers.
All over twitter that he's now on a 6 week holiday now.
#toriesout
Rishi has now been for PM for longer than Truss
Not that you'd know it.
Anyone seen him? OR heard anything from him?
He's making Boris look hard-working.
He's taking time out to sort his winter wardrobe.
As the country dissolves into chaos, its nice to see him concentrating on the issues that really matters...
deporting people to Rwanda
More dog whistle bullshit for their racist pensioner base to fill tomorrows Daily Heil front page act as a distraction from everything else going on
https://twitter.com/TherealNihal/status/1602645473680326656?s=20&t=S0akYoXr2HvEDWE0HEs25Q
I can't see any references to Rwanda in that Observer article, it seems to focus on the poverty in Northern Albania where it claims that nearly all the Albanians attempting to enter the UK come from.
It is a cynical and dishonest tactic widely used by some Tories and other bigoted right-wingers such as Nigel Farage, and motivated by racism, to deliberately claim that there is no distinction between those fleeing war and persecution and economic migrants.
All those the UK is planning to transport to Rwanda and pay the Rwandan government to house will have been successful in their applications for asylum.
No one who fails in their asylum application will be transported to Rwanda. Albanians facing poor employment opportunities in Albania who enter the UK illegally will be simply deported back to Albania, as they they always have been.
The intended Tory policy of transporting and housing (at great cost to UK taxpayers) people who have a legitimate and legal right to asylum in the UK stinks of racism.
They are being deliberately vilified by the likes of Patel, Braverman, and Farage, by being portrayed as nothing more than economic migrants - like the Albanians discussed in that Observer article.
And demonising asylum seekers works very effectively indeed. Eg, I have a strict rule of avoiding talking politics on club bike rides but I while back when the Rwanda policy was topical I mentioned my disgust of the scheme during the coffee stop, assuming that the other three would agree and that it wouldn't be controversial.
My mistake, the club captain, a very typical middle-class university educated professional, and who I wouldn't be in the least bit surprised voted remain, expressed his approval of Rwanda scheme, he claimed that we needed to stop all these people coming over illegally.
More than a little wound up I pointed out that only people who had been successful in their asylum application would be transported to Rwanda, unless they were Ukrainian, and that it was very clearly a totally racist policy.
He said no, because Ukrainians were genuine asylum seekers and those sent to Rwanda by the UK government were just economic migrants. Obvious nonsense as the UK has no obligations to economic migrants entering illegal and simply only needs to put them on a plane back without paying £millions to a third country to accept and house them.
After insisting that the policy was blatantly racist and that supporting it was therefore racist I let it drop.
It would be nice if STW didn't contribute to the Tory/Farage myth that asylum seekers are simply just economic migrants attempting to circumvent the normal legal channels. Especially as they are often fleeing from very desperate situations which the UK has directly helped to create.
All those the UK is planning to transport to Rwanda and pay the Rwandan government to house will have been successful in their applications for asylum.
Are you saying that people will be allowed to apply for asylum in the UK, and if they are successful will then be deported?!? Or just assuming that they would most likely have been successful if allowed to apply?
There is an ongoing, and largely successful, attempt to rebrand “seeking asylum” as “illegal immigration”. It’s moved from back benches to government, from the front pages of the Daily Mail to every news programme on the BBC. Depressing. Sunak said out loud in parliament today that the UK is turning its back on international laws and commitments as regards asylum. Gullis on Newsnight predictably declaring this a key part of the Brexit project.
He's trying his best.
They're all liars anyway.
There's no such thing as homeless just organised begging gangs.
Foodbanks. If they didn't spend all their money on drugs, fags, booze, apps and subscriptions.
They are going to let them all in.
Bloody vegans harassing farmers out of business.
Greedy unions trying to bankrupt the country again.
Kids can't move out until their forties, nice rental income though. Everyone rents in Europe.
Oooo that man.
Just a flavour of the rehearsed stock answers the believers repeat. Obviously they are not wrong or responsible for the consequences they voted for, what kind of ****s would own up to that!
Great line on Dead Ringers...Rishi Sunak, the first prime minister brought to you by Polly Pocket.
David Cameron lands teaching job at Abu Dhabi university
https://www.ft.com/content/c4e46b1a-be31-450f-8d2b-ee5e99a8bb01
I did wonder what David Cameron was quantified to teach in a country ruled by an absolute monarchy.
Politics apparently: Cameron will lecture students on “practising politics and government in the age of disruption”
Well as a failed politician whose economic policies are now widely discredited, and whose strategy to guarantee the UK's continued membership of the EU is equally discredited, I guess he is quite an expert on "practising politics and government in the age of disruption”.
As the FT points out:
He has first-hand experience of political disruption given that Brexit tore apart his premiership and was the catalyst for his exit from Downing Street.
His expertise will undoubtedly provide an authoritative contribution to the lessons covering the dangers of referendums and austerity.
Surely he’ll just play a reality TV Style compilation of his ‘best bits’
Then just add at the end “don’t do anything as stupid as that”
Cameron will be fine.
His only mistake was believing the myth he was a PR master (when in reality his only PR experience was as a holiday job from politics arranged by his mommy) up until the point his interests conflicted with those of the press barons.
Since in an absolute monarchy thats less of a problem (at least until the point the point everything gets rather violent) his guidance should work.
A pretty depressing appraisal in this mornings Observer of the downward spiral this country has been on since 2016, ushered in by Dave.
Topped off with the even more depressing prediction that with the same gang of Brexiteer morons in charge, the only certainty for this year is that it’s going to get even worse
Apparently there are serious rumblings within the Tory ranks that Rishi is on notice for another coup and the preferred candidate to replace him?…
A certain Mr B Johnson
As Andrew Rawnsley notes, we’re now just a banana republic, without the benefit of sunshine
After a year when the only certainty was Tory chaos, could 2023 be even worse?
A spectacularly efficient breed of parasite,he could impress leeches and ticks with an after dinner speech.
Jeez, the idea of Boris coming back.
Apparently, even my gammony 84 year old father has said he might vote Labour next time
That piece about Cameron in the FT reads like something out of The Onion or Daily Mash. He sure must have pissed off a few Tory donors. Just goes to show you can be as bent as you like but if you get caught don’t drag others down with you.
Brexit, Greensil, Mone - what a legacy and what an absolute non entity that man was.
When you look at him, then Boris, and the damage the pair of them have inflicted on this country in a decade of misrule, there’s a strong argument for closing down Eton on public safety grounds
His only mistake was believing the myth he was a PR master
That's the thing that really grates me about Dickhead Dave.
There he was, supposedly the consomethinge PR master, but he lacked the actual balls to tell his swivel-eyed loons to throw their lot in with Farage if they wanted. Instead he gambled on the average IQ of the UK populace being above that of the inhabitants of your average rabbit warren, was mistaken, lost and now he we are. An international laughing stock even more over-exposed to global factors over which we have zero influence.
Sensational.
Let's get one thing straight, it wasn't just David Cameron who backed a referendum on EU membership - Labour and the LibDems also did. In fact the LibDems were the first major party to call for a referendum on the issue.
When the EU Referendum Bill went before the House of Commons in 2015 the consequence of huge Labour and LibDem support meant that it was passed with 544 in favour and just 53 against, only the SNP voted against the EU referendum bill.
You would struggle to find many issues in which support in the House of Commons is so overwhelming.
The EU referendum spectacularly backfired on committed remainers such as David Cameron and the LibDems, but it would be very wrong to blame it all on Cameron.
He could and should have faced down the eurosceptic loons in his own party - his cultivated public persona would suggest confidence. But he was just another fake.
This is a couple of weeks old but I have only just seen it:
https://savanta.com/knowledge-centre/view/mrp-poll-gives-labour-a-314-seat-majority/
The findings are frankly staggering, a 314 Labour majority with the Tories losing almost 300 seats and left with just 69 MPs - only 14 more than all the SNP MPs in Scotland.
What makes it even more remarkable is that the calculations have been made by highly reputable pollsters using recognised methodology.
The support percentages used are not, under current conditions, totally off the wall, they are in fact quite reasonable - Labour 48%, Conservatives 28%, LibDems 11%, and Reform 4%. There have been plenty of polls recently showing Labour with a considerably greater lead than 20%.
No one knows what the situation will be like in 18 months time but it is hard to overstress just how dire the political situation is for the Tories right now.
The very latest opinion poll which is from Opinium gives Labour a 15% lead over the Tories. This is significant as Opinium are generally by far the most generous when calculating the level of support for the Tories.
Unlike other pollsters Opinium assumes that many voters who currently claim to be undecided but voted Tory in 2019 are likely to return to the Tories in a general election, which is a reasonable assumption if they haven't stated a clear preference for another party. Other pollsters tend to class them as simply undecided.
Edit: There are currently over a hundred government ministers so if the Parliamentary Conservative Party falls to less than a hundred presumably every Tory MP would need to be a shadow minister. That would be an interesting development.
but it would be very wrong to blame it all on Cameron
Well he has to take responsibility for deciding to make himself - at the time (for good reason) pretty much the most unpopular man in the UK - the poster boy for the remain campaign. *!
But then there’s Jeremy Corbyn. Despite apparently representing a hugely pro-EU party, membership and voters, he decided to go completely AWOL during the referendum campaign and as-per-*ing-usual represent nobodies opinion other than his own, like the Bennite dinosaur he is. *!
And then there’s Boris…
*!
So there are 3 main culprits. All of them utter and complete ego-crazed and narcissistic *s of the highest order, who as they always do, put their own interests first and foremost before those of the country
They all share the blame 33,3333333333333333333333333333% each
A holy trinity of utter *s
Farage likes to take the credit, but he was frankly incidental once the referendum had been put in motion
The way the tories are screwing this country over I might bugger off to Rawanda myself
A holy trinity of utter ****s
How about quoting the whole sentence and not just half of it?
The EU referendum spectacularly backfired on committed remainers such as David Cameron and the LibDems, but it would be very wrong to blame it all on Cameron.
544 MPs voted in favour of a referendum on EU membership, 53 voted against.
But you want to blame just three people, one of them not even an MP, for the failed strategy spectacularly backfiring?
Yeah right.
Let’s get one thing straight, it wasn’t just David Cameron who backed a referendum on EU membership – Labour and the LibDems also did. In fact the LibDems were the first major party to call for a referendum on the issue.
Let's get another thing straight, the facts.
It was not a legally binding referendum, it was an advisory so the referendum did not have the normal legal checks and balances in place for an official refurendum, it was essentially a survey.
Cameron/May had ample opportunity to take the result into consideration with the caviat(s) that studying deep economic imapacts would need to take place first.
THAT DID NOT HAPPEN.
They just ran with it, and the right wing media to save thier own skins and ensure a very affluent retirement for them and theirs.
You need a reality check.
Let’s get another thing straight, the facts.
What I provided were straight facts. Admittedly inconvenient facts for some people, eg, Labour and the LibDems fully backing the referendum.
You're missing an inconvenient fact, a legaly binding referendum, with all the checks and balances that come with that, would have been acceptable, but this was a travesty as many said at the time (49%), and were put down as 'project fear'.
You reap what you sow.
But that seems not to suit your agenda, whatever that may be.
You can add whatever facts you want. If you want to point out that the referendum wasn't legally binding then I don't see the problem.
I will carry on pointing out that the EU referendum was fully backed by Labour and the LibDems, only the SNP were opposed to it.
You are Nigel Farage AICMFP
You need a reality check
Good luck getting one of those from a Lexiteer.
You might as well ask Farage how he thinks it’s all going
Or Corbyn, who was just as vehemently anti-EU
On this issue, there’s nowt between them.
Go far enough in either direction and you end up on meeting in the middle on planet penis
It’s all worked out great, hasn’t it?
You are Nigel Farage & AICMFP
Oh this is fun...... because I point out that 544 MPs voted in favour of the EU referendum?!?
Oh this is fun…… because I point out that 544 MPs voted in favour of the EU referendum?!?
A legally binding one, yes, not a wet finger in the wind. Another inconvenient fact.
You seem to be very full on when it comes to whipping up whatever nonsence your philosopy is, and very fast to try to destroy other ideas, so I have to ask, who do you vote for? you don't need to answer, it's a rhetorical question.
Anyway do you want comment on the seat prediction if a general election was held right now, which I linked earlier on the previous page, or do you want to just uniquely focus on a referendum which occurred 6 years ago?
… and has been entirely responsible for the six year cluster-**** that has occurred since
Brexit… delivered to you by morons on both the right and the left. Truly two cheeks of the same arse
Honestly I think the next GE will be won on what the tabloids tell them to do.
At the moment, they are all hating Harry and Meghan.
Honestly I think the next GE will be won on what the tabloids tell them to do.
So you feel fairly confident that the Tories will win?
So you feel fairly confident that the Tories will win?
It wouldn't supprise me.
You’re missing an inconvenient fact, a legaly binding referendum, with all the checks and balances that come with that, would have been acceptable
This isn't a fact, there are no constitutional checks and balances on referendums If as with much the constitution you rely on precedent then most referedums have been advisory. This is for the simple reason for it not to be advisory the result has to automatically bring into force an Act of Parliament. Only the 1979 devolution referendums were done on this basis, but were not of course passed. The 1997 devolution referendums were done on the same basis as the EU referendum.
Brexit… delivered to you by morons on both the right and the left. Truly two cheeks of the same arse
Yup 🙁
Now we have the NHS , the rail service and the postal service on it's knees. And a Tory government. For the record, I support the strikes.
Or Corbyn, who was just as vehemently anti-EU
Key - he was hugely pro state investment which would have gone a long way to fixing all the economic turmoil that were happening pre and post.
So yeah pointless centrist positions yield right-wing continuation, and Brexit.
Brexit… delivered to you by morons on both the right and the left. Truly two cheeks of the same arse
What utter nonsense.
The left is redistributive, exactly what the bone-headed centrists claim to want but when it's on the cusp they go all Change UK LTD.
You know if you're ever going to push back against a right-wing tyrannical and economically inept government how on earth do you expect it to happen from a right-wing position?
This isn’t a fact, there are no constitutional checks and balances on referendums
Exactafucinmundo.
I had to Put my nan into hospital recenty, the first repsonder was a fireman, due to staff shortages, the paramedics arrrived after, these people are true heroes, and I don't really understand how they can be so professional, given the pressure they are under, but they are.
The more we sqeeze the system the worse it's going to get, we are all human, and paramedics/ambulance staff are super human if you ask me.
Exactafucinmundo.
So you've been talking bollocks for years, it has been pretty obvious but it is good of you to admit it.
Farage likes to take the credit, but he was frankly incidental once the referendum had been put in motion
He delivered the breaking point. I’m not just referring to his billboard message, but that it swung the polls toward Leave. He was absolutely key in getting the vote over that 50% threshold.
Honestly I think the next GE will be won on what the tabloids tell them to do.
Agreed, if the papers all pile in behind Sunak (or his successor) and start warning old folk that our borders are leaking under pressure from a “flood” of people, they can swing this election away from Labour. Throw in something vilifying unions and benefits claimants and Conservatives could be holding onto seats all over England and Wales.
Conservatives will hold onto loads of seats no matter what the media gets up to. I would put a LOT of money of my area remaining Conservative. They will also lose a lot of seats too at it has finally reached the point (after 14 years) when people are truly fed up with them and won't be completely fooled by the media at that point.
He delivered the breaking point. I’m not just referring to his billboard message, but that it swung the polls toward Leave.
They all worked well together as they had the advantage he could promise one thing whereas another of the brexiteer elite could promise the absolute opposite.
They will also lose a lot of seats too at it has finally reached the point (after 14 years) when people are truly fed up with them and won’t be completely fooled by the media at that point.
They are already defecting but even further right. People want their utopian Brexit unicorn & if the Cons can't provide them, it's not because it's a unobtainable, it's because they aren't trying hard enough. Reform/Reclaim will be happy to continue selling snake oil and hoover people up.
They are already defecting but even further right. People want their utopian Brexit unicorn & if the Cons can’t provide them, it’s not because it’s a unobtainable, it’s because they aren’t trying hard enough. Reform/Reclaim will be happy to continue selling snake oil and hoover people up.
I'd love to be able to trust my initial reaction to that, which is - there is no way anyone would be that stupid.
But then...
They are already defecating but even further right. People want their utopian Brexit unicorn & if the Cons can’t provide them, it’s not because it’s a unobtainable, it’s because they aren’t trying hard enough. Reform/Reclaim will be happy to continue selling snake oil and hoover people up whilst showering shit all over the UK.
Fixed that for you.
Reform/Reclaim will be happy to continue selling snake oil and hoover people up.
The reboots havent really worked though. They come across as mostly a grift for cash nowadays for farage. I suspect he is missing his mep pay.
Its odd how invisible Sunak is currently. He spent the last few years doing a lot of pr work to get attention and then when he gets the job he just phones it in.
I guess he is just another who wanted the job for just having the job rather than any clear idea what to do with it.
Its odd how invisible Sunak is currently.
Not really. Did you expect anything else?
He's exactly the same as Johnson in that respect. He regarded being PM as his entitlement. Now he's got his title, and the status it affords him, thats it. Mission accomplished. He's 'won'.
Just like when Johnson took over and soon exposed the fact that he was nothing more than a third rate journalist with no abilities (beyond self-promotion) and certainly no answers. Same with Sunak. He's a banker. Thats it. He may have done well at Goldman Sachs, but thats your lot.
He's invisible because at the moment whats needed is the capability to negotiate and compromise, but he's absolutely no ability to do that. 'Masters of the Universe' don't have to do that kind of thing.
He's also done what his two predecessors did and appointed a cabinet of talentless nodding dogs, there purely for their loyalty and enthusiasm for Brexit, so they've got no answers either.
Does it look like self-styled 'Brexit Hard man' Steve Barclay has any capacity to resolve the present dispute? Of course not. You'd be better off getting Piers Morgan to negotiate with the unions.
I dread to think where this is all going, because the government isn't even engaged, and has shown that it has no intention of doing so. So its only going to get worse. Far far worse. I could see us getting to February and pretty much everyone being out on strike and the country completely paralysed.
I think they fear this too, but they haven't a clue what to do about it, so they hide behind their attack dogs in the press and try and blame everyone else but themselves, as the brexiteers do with everything
https://twitter.com/guardiannews/status/1605838361284993024?t=u--tmpdzbjIPjHfCLW5buA&s=19
You know when Sunak realises the only way is down - I can see him jumping.
He's not got the intellect or grit to deal with this. The invisible PM.
Buckle-up you can't run an economy like ours successfully without big government cash. And there's none of that in sight, despite full control of finances!
Neither party has a clue how to fix this. Terrified by the establishment class so we all now suffer, because no one has a plan to fix things.
Staring them in the face - at least part 1) Get some big pay rises in the public sector - generate some spending. They then spend and onwards. (Come on Starmer you spineless wonder - make a play of support )
Without money (the one thing the government/BoE controls) we're pretty doomed.
Everything comes down to political will.
1) Get some big pay rises in the public sector
Amazing how neither party has grasped this simple fact. Pretty much every problem we have in our economy and society is driven from the fact that for tens of millions of people, work simply doesn't pay. There's a huge disincentive to work in professions such as teaching, care work, nursing, social work, emergency services etc which hold our society together. Who's going to do a four year paramedic degree and get themselves thousands in debt to earn 30k a year when they can get close to that working in the local supermarket? And yet all we hear from the likes of Starmer is that 'there is no money'. It's utter bullshit.
Amazing how neither party has grasped this simple fact. Pretty much every problem we have in our economy and society is driven from the fact that for tens of millions of people, work simply doesn’t pay.
Totally.
You've got to fix this but the lords of the free-market (rigged market) don't want to operate it how it should.
We have huge demand in the NHS and trains etc that can't be fulfilled so in theory the market should now pay more for the Labour.
WTF doesn't it work this way around?
Simple supply and demand.
Because it's rigged to hell. Years of pushing back against better wages have now bought us to the precipice.
Amazing how neither party has grasped this simple fact.
Well it would indeed be amazing if Oxford/Harvard educated senior politicians from the two main UK parties couldn't grasp this "simple" fact! 😃
To paraphrase Harold Macmillan ......"priorities, dear boy, priorities"
Well it would indeed be amazing if Oxford/Harvard educated senior politicians from the two main UK parties couldn’t grasp this “simple” fact! 😃
Let them watch the economy fall apart then.
It's all in front of them.
We have had economic crisis after economic crisis, what do they care?
Do you think Thatcher cared about the economic crisis she caused which resulted in over 3 million unemployment and devastated communities?
They have no regrets, whatever the crisis, which seem to come in 10 year cycles - inflation, housing, employment, energy, etc.
Wealth and power doesn't shift. That is what is important.
Edit: And if things really do get out of hand they step in to temporarily implement a bit of socialism to save the system, until everything settles down and can carry on again as normal.
We have had economic crisis after economic crisis, what do they care?
It's true but there's also a tipping point where things do matter.
You can't talk up your economy if it's quite clearly failing on nearly all levels. Things will cease to function.
That said I thought it was all done in 2008 until the good old state bailed it all out.
Yeah they change tack when they are forced to.
The point is that it is not a case that they don't understand "simple" facts, which a couple of random geezers on an MTB forum have no problem understanding.
The distinction is very important imo. You can't expect to mount an effective fight if you ignore what motivates politicians determined to maintain the status quo - it's not stupidity or a lack of economic literacy.
Failure to understand the class nature of politics results in distraction and ineffective response. The important issue is not the economic argument but communicating the fact that at the very heart lies priorities.
Once people understand that then the economic arguments become comparatively irrelevant. Why would a voter even bother to listen to the economic argument put to them if they understand that the primary motive behind it conflicts with their own interests.
The problem is that after they implemented austerity 12 years ago - a political decision, not an economic one - idiots kept voting them into power
So as far as they're concerned, they've 'won the argument' because despite continuing massive year-on-year rises in inequality, the half-wits that make up this countries population keep voting for more of the same
To compound things further, right in the middle of it all they managed to convince 52% of the tabloid-reading simpletons that this was all nothing to do with them, but was instead entirely the fault of Brussels bureaucrats and forners
Well it worked with blaming Labour for the financial crisis that was caused entirely by their mates and donors, so why wouldn't you pull the same con a second time?
the half-wits that make up this countries population
Yeah when it isn't the politicians which govern this country that are the idiotic half-wits it's the general population that is.
STW is a veritable oasis of intellectual genius in a world of moronic knuckleheads!
Pedaling along a narrow woodland path makes your brain grow bigger 😂
The point is that it is not a case that they don’t understand “simple” facts, which a couple of random geezers on an MTB forum have no problem understanding.
Ernie you're being a bit literal. I don't for a second think they don't understand the problem, what I'm amazed at is that they refuse to do anything about it, because despite binners lack of faith in UK voters, it will result in support for them disappearing come the next election.
Unlike binners I think the voters know exactly what the problems are, because they experience them every day. What they lack is politicians whom they can support who can cut through the tabloid propaganda and establishment resistance to change. Corbyn was the only one who came close, but ultimately couldn't outwit the 5th columnists in his own party.