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Dug up my arse, you are all clapping a post that equates the fields of athenry with being up to your knees in fenian blood. I'm not entering into the discussion while those are the accepted parameters of parity.What bickering? I see somebody with unacceptable views being dug up. Much as you would like to paint all of Scottish football in that light it isn't the case. Maybe you should stick to the thread about Liverpool and Manchester taunting one another about Munich/H'bro.
Wasn't having a go at you personally s77, don't quit now!
The fields of Athenry is actually a lovely song, unlike the Sash. However, these are not the only songs... There are so many others..soldiers? Bobby Sands? famine? pope / queen? Each side has quite a back catalogue of offensive songs and chants, few of which have anything to do with punting a ball up a football park and everything to do with perpetuating the sectarian divide. Not to mention, flags, banners & symbols with no connection to the 'beautiful' game yet proudly displayed at a certain sporting event.
21st century sport doesn't need this neanderthal mud slinging.
all clapping a post that equates the fields of athenry with being up to your knees in fenian blood.
Errmm - no we were not - It was "The boys of the old brigade"
In 2006, Celtic chief executive Peter Lawwell suggested that he was embarrassed by "offensive" chants in support of the Provisional IRA, even though these songs were political and not "overtly sectarian".[4] In 2007, Celtic chairman Brian Quinn suggested that the "Boys of the Old Brigade" had no place at Celtic Park.[5]In 2008, UEFA abandoned an investigation into Celtic supporters singing the "Boys of the Old Brigade" due to lack of evidence.[6]
In April 2011, Strathclyde Police chief superintendent, Andy Bates, warned that as part of a crackdown on sectarian singing at an upcoming Old Firm game: "If you sing the Boys Of The Old Brigade, we'll arrest you and there have been convictions in court before where that song is concerned."[7]
BBC Sportscene's Rob MacLean accused Celtic supporters of being sectarian for singing the song in May 2011.[8]
In 2011, a Scottish court suggested that those showing support to the IRA were not being offensive to members of "a religious group",[9]
TJ, the 2 still don't equate to each other.
And your wikipedea copy and paste seems to suggest the song, while unpalatable to British and commercial ears(which is understandable), isn't bigoted after all. Make up your mind.
anyhow, clearly this is pissing against the wind. I'll leave you to your own conclusions.
Very tricky subject when talking about songs. For example, is The Foggy Dew really that different to The Boys of the Old Brigade? possibly the latter celebrates violence more but the sentiment is pretty much the same.
Is it just more to do with the circumstances where they tend to be sung?
The club isnt a company, and so, cant be liquidated. The company can, but the company 140 years old anyway, the club was there before, and it'll be around after. I'd continue to support it, even if it had to work back up from division 3.
Fair play to you. I guess that is what most would do in theory. What percentage of your fellow-travellers will do likewise? Bearing in mind that any Rangers fan under 40 will have been reared on a more or less continuous diet of silverware and lording it over the wee teams on the back of an economically unsustainable model of player recruitment. Is a club building itself up from ground zero going to sustain their interest?
I think the doom and gloom merchants who say Scottish football needs a strong Rangers and is doomed without it are overstating it. Look at this season - Killie with the league cup, and an all-embra cup final in the offing that could have sold out Hampden twice over. Celtic, a club with a board that is pragmatic to the point of tightfistedness and a history of ballsing thngs up from a position of apparent strength, will not have it all their own way. In any case, I think there would be some league reorganisation which would see Rangers v2.0 brought back into the top division fold sooner rather than later.
I could see the wee teams being emboldened by having not two but one apparently insurmountable obstacles between them and success.
Actually I don't think for a moment Fields of Athenry is anything like the two little ditties you sing, but try and pretend people have said it is,and use that as an excuse to hide. Maybe time you changed your user name as everybody who see's you try and justify your views seems to think you are an arse. And I am still waiting for you to explain the insight you have,but nobody else seems to, as to why they are acceptable. Until then I, along with all the rest of the people who mentioned it,will continue to point out that you are bigot.
....SS77 Insert attempted flippant retort here......
Very tricky subject when talking about songs. For example, is The Foggy Dew really that different to The Boys of the Old Brigade? possibly the latter celebrates violence more but the sentiment is pretty much the same.Is it just more to do with the circumstances where they tend to be sung?
Good point I've heard Sean South played by bands in the bar after matches at London Irish and no one there seemed to find it offensive. I wouldn't always equate songs such as Foggy dew, Sean south or BoTOB as "PIRA" songs, more like traditional irish songs like Athenray or terrible Irish C&W music
Fair enough, you are clueless though. Water off a ducks back to me.Until then I, along with all the rest of the people who mentioned it,will continue to point out that you are bigot.
you are clueless though
Nope that would be you, and bigoted. Get well soon.
Duckman - somehow I don't think we are getting thru to him.
Scotlands top policeman says its an offence to sing "the boys of the old brigade" at a football match, so does the top lawyer, so does the First minister. So does the chairman of celtic football club. Courts have convicted people for doing this.
However we are all wrong its just a bit of fun and its heritage
ta mods
Ach well; game over.
[url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Boys_of_the_Old_Brigade#Celtic_fans ]
[/url]In 2011, a Scottish court suggested that those showing support to the IRA were not being offensive to members of "a religious group",[9]
[url= http://www.heraldscotland.com/mobile/comment/herald-letters/why-the-fans-who-sing-songs-of-hate-are-committing-an-offence-1.1093147 ]The law seems unclear.[/url] 😕
All from an impartial legal point of view.
Sometimes i wish i was a mod with a big ban hammer.
You're an embarrassment S77.
Haven't read the thread, just this page.
Can I just point out to those south of the border the drivel above is a Glasgow/central belt thing, not a Scottish thing.
Just embarrassing. 🙁
I quite enjoy playing a game of footy but everything to do with the professional game is a bit crap imo.
S77 - I'm sure al Scottish football fans aren't like you
At least, I hope so
Your sort of prehistoric bigotry will hopefully die now the other cheek of the shitty arse is finished
For a dispassionate, outsider's view of the whole Rangers in administration saga, particularly their latest unedifying threats-cast-in-every-direction death throes, check out [url= http://blogs.channel4.com/alex-thomsons-view/21st-century-rules-applied-rangers/1302 ]this blog[/url] by Channel 4 News' chief correspondent Alex Thomson.
Nice imagery there Jota, very nice. Way to tar everyone with the same brush..Or is it toilet paper?
StefMcD- I disagree with the journos comments somewhat.
Yep, I bet McCoist regrets it now, and I think he should too, but at the time it camr across as more of a rhetorical comment made without much thought, and a bit out of character for one of the few folk that's conducted themselves with a bit of dignity throughout this mess.
Can I just point out to those south of the border the drivel above is a Glasgow/central belt thing, not a Scottish thing.
Central Belt is 70% of the country's population, so the distinction isn't that significant.
althepal - I was referring to the clubs and their tolerance of the sort of thing that S77 posted up there ^ that's now been deleted
Konabunny - I hope you're talking football* and not generally.
*even if you are, still pretty poor.
I didn't see it Jota but was aware there had been something deleted.. Surprised it took so long. Banhammer utilised also I'm guessing if it was that bad.
We're not all fuds, and frankly when folk make sweeping generalisations about everyone in the central belt/west of Scotland being like that it's pretty poor and quite shallow really. Prob says more about the person making the insult than those it refers to.
We're (old firm supporters) not all lager-swilling sectarian knuckle dragging wife beaters you know. I know this because I'll probably have the joy of meeting a load of them tonight at my work. Sigh.
Sadly the whole sectarian thing is not just confined to the central belt . Im originally from Elgin and there are two massive Rangers and celtic supporters clubs in that neck of the woods , despite having two spl clubs on the doorstep and there own professional 3rd division team.
As I stated before the 90 minute bigot though misguided I dont mind but several of my old mates live and breathe the lifestyle of constantly bitching about protestants and catholics despite not being near a church since there wedding.
As much as I despise Rangers the thought of them starting off in division 3 should be seen as a new start and chance to start again.Also they will obviously breeze the leagues and bring loads of revenue to the likes of the Elgin City of this world.
Also whilst we are laughing at Rangers this is the tip of the Iceberg and many more will follow.
Konabunny - I hope you're talking football* and not generally.
*even if you are, still pretty poor.
Are confusing my comment with someone else's? Your response doesn't really seem to make sense.
THink HMRC are starting down a long road. I dare say they will start to spotlight other sporting clubs and say "pay up or this will be you" probably come to some agreement over how much will be paid.
Rangers problem was it was big enough to owe a substantial amount and be able to find clever lawyers but far enough removed from the centre of UK football for a large number to become vocal enough to get something done. (Bally, Jock oiks making noise about some soccer club)
Now they have this precident set other big clubs football/rugby etc will need to be settling up pretty soon. Assuming they have been using the same, or similar, loop holes.
Having been on the receiving end of bigotry thanks to my name I can't say I'm sorry that they're upset by the folding of their club. NO doubt the same comes from diehard hoops fans and if that is the case then hopefully they will fold also. Or perhaps realise that they are now pushing against an open door and there is no-one chanting against them so they might as well think on realise that they have wasted so much of their lives on hatred an ddo something constructive with their energies.
Not really sure why, thought it was fairly obvious...
As someone stated earlier the chants between rivals fans don't come much worse than Man U and Liverpool but they are accepted as there are no sectarian side to them. I'm an Aberdeen fan and in 30 years supporting them sung some pretty stupid stuff . The difference Is I don't wake up in the morning with a chip on my shoulder and have a hatred for Catholics / Protestants , life is just way to short.
I'm an Aberdeen fan
"morning" from a fellow sheepshagger 😆
Can I just point out to those south of the border the drivel above is a Glasgow/central belt thing, not a Scottish thing.
Central Belt is 70% of the country's population, so the distinction isn't that significant.
Are confusing my comment with someone else's? Your response doesn't really seem to make sense.
Not really sure why, thought it was fairly obvious...
Nope, not obvious at all, at least to me. I'm being thick, you're being obtuse or both.
Why, if only 30% of Scots live outside the Central Belt, does it make any sense to say that sectarianism isn't a Scottish thing, but a Central Belt thing?
Sectarianism in Scottish fitba' has nothing to do with where you live, and everything to do with how much of a **** you are.
vice magazine documentary on the subject
[url] http://www.vice.com/rivals/rangers-celtic-full-length ][/url]
Ditchjockey , Stand Free... 8)
Kit , yer spot on.
Ally McCoist has gone on Rangers TV at half time, demanding to to know who was marking Charlie Mulgrew for that first Celtic goal. Who are these people? The Rangers fans deserve to know!
onehundredthidiot - Member
UK football for a large number to become vocal enough to get something done. (Bally, Jock oiks making noise about some soccer club)
So what is UK football, I was under the impression that Scottish Football and the SFA were completely independant?
Matt
Kit - MemberSectarianism in Scottish fitba' has nothing to do with where you live, and everything to do with how much of a **** you are.
I don't say this often, but /thread.
Matt (nice crop by the way), the point iwas trying to make was scottish clubs (for right or wrong) are seen by the majority of the UK population as being outside UK football (that's a whole other arguement though) i.e. SFA not FA. I was just trying to raise the spectre of this being a test case for "bigger" clubs (south of the border) to take notice of and get their books in order.
I'm sure the Office of Fair Trading can do something about this blatant discrimination 😀
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