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What is the second hand route to camera's like?
Dodgy IMO.
Last years models sell at such a massive discount it's hard to justify a used camera. If you do look at them do your homework - they may well be more expensive than buying the same camera new.
If you are looking at buying a Canon or Nikon, I doubt you get last years one cheaper than buying one 2nd hand. I have never seen one anyway.
Yeah, depends on make and model. m4/3 go from £700 to £200, despite minor improvements between generations and you often see new discounted models sell for the same or less than used.
Stumpy01 - the noise in here should make you feel better:
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[url= http://www.flickr.com/photos/stuartie_c/6241082149/ ]tiling[/url] by [url= http://www.flickr.com/people/stuartie_c/ ]stuartie_c[/url], on Flickr
Camera Sony DSLR-A300
Exposure 0.008 sec (1/125)
Aperture f/4.5
Focal Length 18 mm
ISO Speed 1600
Exposure Bias 0 EV
Look at the original if you want a fright... I've just sold this camera to upgrade to an a77 though I'm hesitating until I get a better feel for what its IQ is like in real life. Most of my photography is low ISO, outdoors stuff so 16,000 capability isn't of much interest but I do expect noise-free images at about 1600.
Have you seen the a77 images on Dyxum? [url= http://www.dyxum.com/dforum/mine-a77-animalpictures_topic81102.html ]Some good ones here...[/url]
From a camera hopeless at high ISO (so they say) - ISO3200
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[url= http://www.flickr.com/photos/11569254@N06/5752277504/ ]Coffee Family[/url] by [url= http://www.flickr.com/people/11569254@N06/ ]molgrips[/url], on Flickr
Did you leave it on iso3200 by accident?
Possibly, not sure.. dont' remember. I think actually it was a lot darker in the room than it looks there.
Ah yes, the EXIF has it at 1/15 f3.5. It really was dark. You'd never guess.
Noise at higher ISO usually shows up in the shadows
Much less noisy than my ISO 1600 shot, molgrips.
5thElefant,
Had a look at those dyxum images - nice pics but all low ISO scaled to web size so no real clue as to low-light potential. As I said, I don't do much in the way of low-light photography, but I might do more if I had a camera that was a bit more capable than the a300 (which was a great beginner's SLR, incidentally... thus the thread comes full circle 🙂
True. [url= http://www.dyxum.com/dforum/thoughts-on-a77-noise-discussion_topic81246_post942830.html#942830 ]This should be of interest...[/url]
You'll find the a77 is a stop better than your camera, so iso3200 on the a77 = iso1600 on the a300. Nice to have, but not earth shattering. You do get an extra 2 stops of dynamic range though, which is pretty damn impressive.
Oops... wrong link. [url= http://www.dyxum.com/dforum/a700-a77-high-iso-comparison_topic80844.html ]This is what I thought I was linking...[/url]
Noise at higher ISO usually shows up in the shadows
Yeah.. that shot surprised me how good it looked, cos many have been poor - but I think it's because there are not many shadows in the pic.
Oh and my daughter's disastrous haircut has now grown out you'll be pleased to know. Ever tried cutting a toddler's hair?