[Closed] Ray Gosling - Murderer

you reckon he's lying then??

I believe him!

I think it is a brilliant story. The rozzers need to be seen to investigate. Self outed stroppy old queen refuses to co-operate and won't say who, when or if it actually happened. Brilliant.

I'm not sure whether he's making it up or not, it's kind of irrelevent because it'll be impossible to prove one way or another.

I don't trust him though, I got the impression of a desperate old queen trying to surf the wave of publicity that surrounds assisted suicide and mercy killing at the moment.

The BBC should never have given him air time, and the sight of those 2 imbeciles Bill n Sian fawning over him as he laid on the crocodiles tears practically had me puking in my breakfast!

And he kept saying Country instead of County the daft bas>>>d!!

Who is he?

What the hell has him being gay got to do with it? You can leave the queen bit out I think.

And what is any right minded person doing watching the breakfast show? Do you read MORE or Tatler as well?

Saw him on telly last night and he he said something like 'I'm speaking from Nottingham, where we're rough and tough and sometimes things happen'.

interesting argument. 😕

What the hell has him being gay got to do with it? You can leave the queen bit out I think.

Yip.

Some brutal homophobes outing themselves in this thread!

I got the impression of a desperate old queen trying to surf the wave of publicity that surrounds assisted suicide and mercy killing at the moment.

BTW I didn't get that impression at all - he seemed slightly unhinged to me.

is referring to someone as a queen homophobic?

Kind of depends on the context surely - but if you're using it as an insult then I would say yes.

What the hell has him being gay got to do with it?

No more than the fact that he's over dramtic, self-serving, and very annoying. It simply describes the man he is.

The day gay people stop adopting ridiculous stereotypical demeanors - the lisp, mincey walk, overtly dramatic and feminine tone - is the day I'll stop using their sexuality to describe their personality.

(for the record, I'm fully aware that not all homosexuals behave in that way, and those comments obviously don't apply to them.)

So being camp would be banned in your ideal world, eh?

How dull.

Some brutal homophobes outing themselves in this thread!

Talk about about over dramatic...

Caught him being interview by Kay Burley yesterday afternoon seems like a rather confused old man, who didnt really know what he was trying to say. He reckons he smothered one of his lovers with a pillow when he was in the early stages of AIDs, yet he wont say who he was and said he refuses to tell the Police anything. Think he is barking.

I quite fancy being on the news.......

I killed Wacko Jacko by force feeding him peanut butter (knowing he was peanut allergic). I did this at Neverland, in the wardrobe of his master bedroom, at 9:32pm.

I won't however, name the brand of peanut butter used - so the rozzers have NOTHING!

I don't care either way.

So being camp would be banned in your ideal world, eh?

Just never understood why perfectly masculine men suddenly come over all queer when they come out of the closet. And I've never understood why on one hand gay people profess to craving equal treatment and on the other hand make a conscious effort to uphold ridiculous outward signs of overt sexuality.
If I, as a heterosexual male behaved in a the way that seems to be deemded acceptible for gay men to behave, I'd be labelled crass, letcherous and vulgar.

If I, as a heterosexual male behaved in a the way that seems to be deemded acceptible for gay men to behave, I'd be labelled crass, letcherous and vulgar.

sounds like lots of heterosexual males....

do perfectly masculine men really 'suddenly' go camp? the gays i know were effeminate and poncy at school. plus not all gays are camp, just as not all straights are masculine

good troll though

What tribalchief said. Exactly my experience too - friends and people I've know who came out were hardly a suprise...

Besides, the crass generalisations are what you're being picked up on.

The day gay people stop adopting ridiculous stereotypical demeanors...

...(for the record, I'm fully aware that not all homosexuals behave in that way, and those comments obviously don't apply to them.)

Not all indeed. Not most in fact. On that basis, why use it as a generalisation then? I could slag off women as being bitches because some are - stating then that I know that they're not all bitches doesn't really cover it though.

If you didn't see the interview yesterday, you won't understand the 'queen' comments.

Have a look and pop back.

do perfectly masculine men really 'suddenly' go camp?

A good friend of mine (an undertaker) was as masculine as the next man before he came out, and even now, he has no problem reverting back to his normal God-given voice when he's dealing with customers.

It can be quite amusing when he's delivering one of his outragously camp monologues and his work mobile rings!

I've asked him why it is that gay men often adopt the camp voice and behaviour, and he struggles to explain it, other than the fact that it's "fun" and it draws attention to his sexuality (meaning he gets laid more often).

Besides, surely the assumption that ones sexuality should have an uncontrolable bearing on how a person behaves demonstrates the utmost ignorance, does it not?

If anyone wants to adopt an outrageously camp persona, they're perfectly entitled. If it makes YOUR teeth hurt, that's your problem.

Probably best to take your narrow little mind off for a holiday to get over it, I'd say...

No offense.

Okay so you may not like overly loud women or uncouth men, or perhaps giggly silly girlie girls or cocky brash guys, in the same toke you may not like overly camp gay guys...doesnt mean your homophobic.

well at his age i hardly think he is expecting to enjoy shower time at her majestys pleasure

so i have no idea of his motivations.

PS:

God-given

Oh... 🙄

i have a straight friend who plays the camp card to great effect for picking up hot women

a load of anti gay tosh being spouted here,
i can think of 2 gay friends one of whom is very dull and serious in work but very camp and silly in the pub
also have a tattooed, heavy metal luvin, black belt, hard as nails mate who came out a few years back and his personality never changed a bit

Good on you Kimbers, re-read the 'small print' on my earlier post. There's a good chap.

And see my comment about your small print

Ah, the some of my mates are gay card..

I wasn't going to comment Clubber, as what you spouted seemed to be utter drivel. The overwhelming majority of gay men I know (having a gay brother in law there are quite a few in my circle of friends) are noticably camp to the point that nobody would ever be in any doubt to their sexuality.

Other gay friends are part of the 'gay bear' scene where they all try to dress like a Canadian lumberjacks and grow beards and beer bellies. Again, not a lot of doubt there.

well i dont know about the rest of you but im confused.

lol. Shibboleth - how many gay friends do you have?? I'm not sure I have enough to form a statistical opinion and I drink in a gay pub every week!!

well i dont know about the rest of you but im confused.

I think the word is curious, no? 😉

a gay brother-in-law? That's confusing.

Is your sister really, really ugly?

a gay brother-in-law? That's confusing.

Wife's brother?

Not hard to work out is it...

a gay brother-in-law? That's confusing.

Perhaps his Brother is gay and has married his partner, therefore he has a gay Brother in Law.

not when you put it like that 😉

Shibboleth - Member

I wasn't going to comment Clubber, as what you spouted seemed to be utter drivel. The overwhelming majority of gay men I know (having a gay brother in law there are quite a few in my circle of friends) are noticably camp to the point that nobody would ever be in any doubt to their sexuality.

Amazing you manage to hang around them, then, given your earlier comments...

Quite...

gay man calls another gay man a queen your fine with it, straight man does it and he's a homophobe.
get a grip.
bet you used to be the one at school that would tell teacher. 🙄

a gay brother-in-law? That's confusing.

It's really not rocket science Whippersnapper, I married a woman whose brother is gay. I'm in the process of extricating myself from that situation, but for the time being at least, he is my brother-in-law.

The gay undertaker is a good friend and neighbour - the former partner of my soon-to-be-ex-brother-in-law, and I often socialise with him and several of his gay friends. A right bunch of fairies and they certainly wouldn't object to me saying so.

The office manager of the place I used to work is gay and I still socialise with him and his partner. I also have a friend from school - with whom I used to go clubbing and who was a fine puller of women before he switched alegances - who is now a big gay hairy bear.

They seem to be everywhere!

They seem to be everywhere!

It's almost like you are attracting them.

Isn't it.

😉

It's almost like you are attracting them.

Like flies round sh*t! 😉

So anyway, this old queen. Attention seeking old fruit, or the saviour of the euthenasia movement?

Nah - he's boring - it's been much more fun watching you did a deeper and deeper hole. 🙂

did the sexuality of your brother in-law in any way affect the relationship that you are trying to extricate yourself from?

I just cannot understand why he would do that on TV, I personally don’t believe in assisted suicide.

I bet nothing happens to him, what the world is coming to.

Any of you mess with me and it will be the pillow, say no more. 😆

watching you did a deeper and deeper hole.

How topical.

did the sexuality of your brother in-law in any way affect the relationship that you are trying to extricate yourself from?

That must rank as one of the silliest things I've ever read on this forum. Astounding. 🙄

I reckon Shibboleth got a knock back from Ray Gosling in the past....

nonk - Member
gay man calls another gay man a queen your fine with it, straight man does it and he's a homophobe.
get a grip.
bet you used to be the one at school that would tell teacher.

Or to put it slightly differently: black man calls another black man a '****' and you're fine with it, white man does it and he's a racist.

Yes.

Or to put it slightly differently, if a gay friends flirts, or is outragoulsy camp with me and I say "P*ss off you big queer", he's fine with it but the STW Guardian Readers decry me as homophobic.

Strange world, isn't it.

Or to put it slightly differently, if a gay friends flirts, or is outragoulsy camp with me and I say "P*ss off you big queer"

What if you said it to someone who wasn't your friend, whilst slagging them off?

Back on topic:

I heard Mr Gosling (a man, I have to say, of whom I was not aware) on the Today Programme yesterday.

He sounded like a bewildered old man who didn't know quite what he was trying to say. I got the impression that he was looking for attention and getting a bit muddled. As somebody else has pointed out, I'm not sure that is a good poster-boy for the mercy killing lobby.

Off Topic:

I have no issue with homosexuality, I wish no harm to homosexuals and get along with homosexual people that I know and have met, but do find 'campness' in men irritating, especially when, as others have said, it is only adopted post-coming-out. It's quite possibly due to 'campness' not fitting in with the commonly accepted male or female behaviour -rightly or wrongly-, but is not fear of homosexuals (homophobia).

Whatever he is charged with, he could seemingly play the 'mentally unstable' card anyway. The story is sad, but somehow by being such an idiot, he lost all of my sympathy.

And, having gone on the TV and confessed to killing somebody (not once but twice!), why did he then say when questioned about the Police becoming involved 'They'll never get me to say anything, we had a code of silence'. What had he just done on national television?! A real Dad's Army, 'Don't tell him your name Pike' moment!

What if you said it to someone who wasn't your friend, whilst slagging them off?

I didn't and wouldn't.

Geronimo, very well put off topic addendum to your post.

I didn't and wouldn't.

It's equivalent to what you did in the OP though - STW is not the same as 'with your mates in the pub'.

That must rank as one of the silliest things I've ever read on this forum.

...and that's up against some pretty stiff competition.

The day gay people stop adopting ridiculous stereotypical demeanors - the lisp, mincey walk, overtly dramatic and feminine tone - is the day I'll stop using their sexuality to describe their personality.

I very rarely see anyone like that but isn't like 5% of the population gay ? And for that matter I've met quite a few conforming to those sterotypes who are actually straight...

edit:

They seem to be everywhere!

bear in mind it's been established on this forum that fancying women is rather gay too and [b]real[/b] men only respond to motorbikes and titanium 🙁

It's equivalent to what you did in the OP though

Grum, would you be so kind as to remind me *exactly* where in the Original Post I said anything remotely equivalent to calling somebody "queer" as an insult, because I'm at an absolute loss as what the **** you're on about...

and that's up against some pretty stiff competition.

boasting again 🙂

Shibboleth,I started a thread about Ray Gosling last night, ive also watched his programes for Granada Tv,On Site, being one,and also have his book.

I had no idea he was or is Gay,and have say i was shocked when i found out,i am not shocked that he has adnmitted to suffocating his partner,but am at the stupid and silly comments you have come out with,perhaps is now the time for you to come out,ill come around and give you a hug,and then you may be happier.

Awaits tirade.........

Grum, would you be so kind as to remind me *exactly* where in the Original Post I said anything remotely equivalent to calling somebody "queer" as an insult, because I'm at an absolute loss as what the **** you're on about...

Where you called him a seedy old queen? Remember? Fine if that's acceptable banter between you and your mates, but homophobic when used in an attacking way about someone you don't know, on a public forum - see the difference?

+ 1 for Grum's last post

to be fair to the OP the word drama is being omitted to win this argument I think

I thought gay men were supposed to be more concerned about their appearance? Obviously another stereotype...
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Where you called him a seedy old queen? Remember?

No, I don't remember, you idiot! If you go back and read what I wrote, rather than what you would have liked me to have written, you'll see that I referred to him as a seedy drama queen. "Drama queen" is NOT a homophobic insult as it doesn't necessarily refer to his sexuality. Get your facts straight before accusing people of homophobia. Tit.

Project, I'll have a look for your thread. Seeing him on BBC Breakfast yesterday was the first I've ever seen of him, though the name rings a bell. Maybe my 'gaydar' is better tuned than yours, but he didn't even need to open his mouth - his whole posture, body language and the phoney way he pursed his lips screamed "GAY!".

Oh, and by the way. I'm 100% straight I'm afraid, so any hugs will be just hugs. They won't lead to anything else. Sorry, I'm a lady lover. 😉

Sorry, I'm a lady lover.

that's gay too

I've got the feeling shibbo's avoiding me...

I wish he'd stop mincing around.

Shibboleth - Member

Project, I'll have a look for your thread. Seeing him on BBC Breakfast yesterday was the first I've ever seen of him, though the name rings a bell. Maybe my 'gaydar' is better tuned than yours, but he didn't even need to open his mouth - his whole posture, body language and the phoney way he pursed his lips screamed "GAY!".

Oh, and by the way. I'm 100% straight I'm afraid, so any hugs will be just hugs. They won't lead to anything else. Sorry, I'm a lady lover.

Why do ST8 men always have to tell the world theyre not GAY,and then complain when Gay men say theyre not ST8.

As youve now declared youre a lady lover, i hope the gay comunity can sleep in peace ,at the thought youre not one of them,because if you where you would be a serious problem to the propogation of Gay equality.

I now withdraw my offer of a hug.

I now withdraw my offer of a hug.

Typical response of the spurned. 😉

I don't feel the need to tell the world anything, but I will correct people if they make erroneous assumptions or accusations.

Mr Woppit - Member
I've got the feeling shibbo's avoiding me...

Have you asked me something?

Going back to the topic, I heard the interview on the today program yesterday. Personally I thought he sounded like a nutter, and a fairly chilling one at that.

*If* he did indeed kill someone (as opposed to makinging it up) I'd hope the police investigate and prosocute him for murder.

http://www.singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/ray-goslingtv-presenter

Mr Woppit - Member

Shibboleth - Member

I wasn't going to comment Clubber, as what you spouted seemed to be utter drivel. The overwhelming majority of gay men I know (having a gay brother in law there are quite a few in my circle of friends) are noticably camp to the point that nobody would ever be in any doubt to their sexuality.

Amazing you manage to hang around them, then, given your earlier comments...

Mr Woppit, I'm sorry if I assumed that was anything other than a very poor troll. If you want to ask a question, try structuring it as a question and ending it with a question mark (?).
I really didn't think it warranted a response though.

I preferred this thread off topic actually.
I work in the building game , so it's OK to use words like queen , or homo , but in reality we wouldnt 'mince around ' linguistically, we'd just probably say , filthy abhorrent freak of nature faggot , die ,haha, a pillow's too good for you , here , my size nine 14hole oxblood doc with yellow laces.
Which is what I feel you were leaning towards .

I wouldnt say such horrible things . Freak or not .
One of my work mates is a fag , and another's a dyke .

I've reread and deleted this bit . Oh , I was ranting .

I've even seen a bit of fascism creeping in some of your work the other week , calling plasterboarders , and stuff .
Forget me if I'm wrong.
And to think , I was giving you frank and open relationship advice .
You cradle snatching harrington coat wearing skinhead. You should try beating up a woman of your own age .

I dont even think that . But see how stuff can sound ?

See. I dont really care about his sexuality one way or t'other . What does it even matter if he likes cock ?
But believe me , if my wife or child or goldfish was in as much pain as he described ( truthfully or not ) , I'd do what they wished to end it for them .
The goldfish might struggle with conveying that .

My dad died last year . He had dementia . It was terrible . I wish he'd died sooner . And I loved him so much .I'd've done it.

I blame the 60s . We're all thinking too much .

The voluntary euthenasia /assisted suicide thing will sort itself out .
You'll see.

All you have to do is grow up .

"That must rank as one of the silliest things I've ever read on this forum"

I can only postulate you have never reread any of your own posts then.