will oyu be putting up any girlie posters inside once it's finished?
will oyu be putting up any girlie posters inside once it's finished?
I can's see Mrs Flaps agreeing to that, she's already demanded her own area in the workshop.......
When you nail a hanger on in the wrong position using sheradized twist nails you will understand exactly why they ask for twist nails! Bastards to get out!!!
When you nail a hanger on in the wrong position using sheradized twist nails you will understand exactly why they ask for twist nails! Bastards to get out!!!
Hmm - so why not use screws? Although I guess twist nails are cheaper and quicker to fit.....
Wish i had an aframe sometimes.
I picked up an engine hoist [just because it was available and free from my FIL] and it's been remarkably usefull for shifting stuff around the place, especially as it folds away when not in use.
Hmm - so why not use screws? Although I guess twist nails are cheaper and quicker to fit.....
Dunno if it's the same, but you don't use screws on boats (wooden structure, suceptible to damp) as the expansion of the wood tends to work them out, whereas barbed nails tend to tighten things up,the head stops if going in further, and the barb/twist stops the other end pulling out, a screw is only held in by the friction stopping it turning.
I asked the Chippies and they said its to save cost (over screws).
she's already demanded her own area in the workshop
So there will be a kitchen in the shed? 😀
/highfives JeoG
🙂
Awesome stuff....love a bit of over engineering
What garage door are you fitting?
What garage door are you fitting?
Probably something like this 😉
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Effing glitchy new page bump...
Ok...new page bump didn't work...but if I manually change the "14" in the URL to "15" then I can see the next page.
The Nobel Prize should go to whoever fixes this glitch!
Quite possibly the only thing one more epically substantial than that shed is this lengthy, girthy thread
why do Building regs insist on 'twist nails'
Strictly speaking they don't. The Building Regs (paraphrased) just say that the building must stand up to wind and gravity. Approved Document A gives guidance on ways that are 'deemed to satisfy' the Regs in that respect, but points out that you can meet the requirement any way you like. The AD gives a list of documents which are approved as guidance, one of which is BS 5268, which I believe says to use twist nails, although I don't have a copy to hand. [i]In theory [/i]you can use anything you can convince the building inspector is at least as good as twist nails. [i]In practice[/i], building inspectors don't want to be convinced and will tell you to use the guidance, and it's quicker to give in.
What garage door are you fitting?
The front door is a set of double glazed french doors (all glass) to let lots of light in when working in it. Behind this, on the back of the return will be an electric steel roller shutter blind, so at night it's reasonably secure.
The front door is a set of double glazed french doors (all glass) to let lots of light in when working in it. Behind this, on the back of the return will be an electric steel roller shutter blind, so at night it's reasonably secure.
Expect to have upset neighbours, they are not the quietest of things & you know you will use it every time you leave the building, which will be often as you will find yourself visiting it frequently to begin with 😉
Awaits thread re electric bill...
I can's see Mrs Flaps agreeing to that, she's already demanded her own area in the workshop.......
I can't believe you call her that, it's so demeaning. 😉
If your getting a RSD on the front make sure you have nylon endlocks not steel ones as they are v noisy in operation and when its windy and rattling round at night it will be grim, nylon help a lot but still not quite.
It will be inside, behind double glazed patio doors and I only envision using it at night. I'm thinking about wiring it up to the burglar alarm so when that gets activated it closes the shutters automatically. The idea being you shut patio door, hit remote fob to arm the alarm and the shutter close automatically. Might be an issue with setting off the PIRs - might need a delay on them. Anyway, that's all something to figure out when the shell is completed.
Plus the workshop is 50m from the nearest house....
You cant wire the RSD upto the alarm as the door will need a continious signal from the alarm. RSD only operate in "deadmans" mode, ie continious pressure on a switch so as not to trap anyone/thing. You can have it operating on impuse by the means of fitting a safety bottom edge or photcell safety beam in line with the door.
Also if you have a power failure or the RSD f00ks up is this your only point of access? if so your snookered.
You cant wire the RSD upto the alarm as the door will need a continious signal from the alarm.
Er, yes you can. Simple adaptor box to power it till it closes. Should take all of 30secs to design and about 30mins to make once I get the bits ordered from RS.
footflaps - MemberYou cant wire the RSD upto the alarm as the door will need a continious signal from the alarm.
Er, yes you can. Simple adaptor box to power it till it closes. Should take all of 30secs to design and about 30mins to make once I get the bits ordered from RS.
Unless you had a control panel, like the one you want to design. Albeit, legally you need to be able to see the door close to the bottom limit as to not create a trapping/sheering hazard, in your own garage it will "be reet".
Alan the brickie was back this WE to work in between Gales to finish the Gable ends:
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How straight is that edge!
Alan the brickie and your carpenters have done a nice job.
Hopefully the roofer will be as good....
Yup, nice job there. Way better than the first "brickie" would've achieved.
Did Alan let you top out??
Did Alan let you top out??
Nope, didn't know that was a tradition! I was laying pavers at the time.
It's your build!!! However that tiny little triangle of brick on the gable may have made you feel a bit of a fraud 😆
Having satisfied the masses with his brickwork skills, shall i start to refer to my working at height lessons!?
Shhh, don't mention the handrails.....oh 😉
Hopefully the roofer will be as good....
Yes, but good tradesmen = bad for this thread! 😀
Us keyboard warriors need entertainment, and quality construction does not provide this!
It would be an interesting step down from there to be fair 😯
It would be an interesting step down from there to be fair
I did suggest putting up the next stage of the platforms, but he wasn't having any of it....
EDIT: To be honest I'd have been the same...
Roofers have been working the last two days:
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I love this thread.
Replace moon with shed.
does your shed have a name yet? can we name it?
it deserves a plaque.
made of a tombstone, obviously.
'The Mausoleum'
gets my vote.
I've asked our local Duke and Duchess to officially open it...
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'The Mausoleum'
You jest, but there was an Italian neighbour who sold the house but kept 80% of the garden and then once the new owners had moved in he applied for planning permission for a huge Mausoleum in their garden. Didn't get approved!
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/property/3303568/Death-wish-in-suburbia.html
Roofers will finish this morning - only 18" of slates to go and the ridge tiles to bed in place:
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Only slight spanner in the works is the back door I bought seems to have been pre-dented:
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I am tempted just to fit it anyway, as it's just cosmetic....
Surely not......
Pre bashed in back doors ???
* someone had to say it
Pre bashed in back doors ???
I know, it just feels dirty.....
my builds a blur
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Great thread, keep on with the updates.
Fix this effing glitch!!.!!!
Glitch bump?
Max clifford
Had the first shipment of Celotex this morning:
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[url= http://www.flickr.com/photos/brf/8251282511/ ]1st shipment of Celotex (38/68 sheets)[/url] by [url= http://www.flickr.com/people/brf/ ]brf[/url], on Flickr
This is for rafter infill (70mm), line walls with 100mm between pillars and cover the floor (100mm). Walls and rafters then get a 50mm/12.5mm plaster board bonded layer, which arrives next week.
Should be quite snug by the time all this is installed.....
You'll never get that lot in a Focus.
You'll never get that lot in a Focus.
Don't be silly, we've got roof bars! 😉
Going over old ground here flaps but what's stopping the damp coming thro the walls?
Paint the outside and even if some damp does get through, 100mm of Celotex is impermeable, so it won't go anywhere.
The whole inside is drying out quite nicely now the roof is on, even though its been pissing down outside recently.
You'll never get that lot in a Focus
Nah, he got it from B&Q not Focus... errrrmmm...shuffle, wibble, shuffle...
Going over old ground here flaps but what's stopping the damp coming thro the walls?
Whatever stops damp coming in any solid wall house, of which there are millions in the uk.
I'd suggest Matt that there are sod all 4" construction houses around!
We need internal pics now too Flaps please the build needs to move on 🙂
some amount of money spent on that structure. better built than some houses, must be some bikes in there, did my garage into a gym,workshop sauna years ago, lucky im a carpenter and cost me peanuts, enjoy though the escapism rocks
In sheltered areas 9" walls are accepted as being weather resistant,
however as far as I can remember Celotex shouldn't be applied to 4" walls
Went passed on the train today and was pleased to see the roof on - but have you painted the render pink or were my eyes decieved ?
however as far as I can remember Celotex shouldn't be applied to 4" walls
Never heard that before.
What's the reason ?
better built than some houses, must be some bikes in there
not bikes 🙂
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I've been enjoying following this thread thanks footflaps. I have got planning permission now to pull our old outbuilding down and rebuild it. I am impressed by your roof structure and would like to do something similar, I'm guessing you had a structural engineer to work out size of rsj and do you have any cross beams to make it like an A frame or don't you need any?
Thanks and keep pics coming
Went passed on the train today and was pleased to see the roof on - but have you painted the render pink or were my eyes decieved ?
Errr yes. But we can't see the painted sides. We had a sunny weekend, so nipped round to Ridgeons and the trade masonry paint had either Black, White, Grey or something called Suffolk - so we went for that. Turns out it's Suffolk Pink - we were quite surprised. NB Trade paint tins are all just white with a name on....
In sheltered areas 9" walls are accepted as being weather resistant,
Pretty much all Victorian houses are 9" walls, and they are everywhere in the UK - make very nice dry houses.....
however as far as I can remember Celotex shouldn't be applied to 4" walls
Utter nonsense. Cellotex is an polyisocyanurate closed cell foam bonded between two sheets of aluminium. Last time I checked, aluminnum wasn't water soluble and neither is the foam. As for damp pouring through 4" of concrete, we're having a rather wet autumn right now, and I've got a very dry workshop shell.....
It's even more nonsense eg when you build a standard cavity wall house, guess what you have in the gap right next to the 4" wall - a layer of celotex or equivalent....
A PINK mancave? 😆 😆 😆
A PINK mancave?
Er yes... I've had quite a lot of stick from the neighbours about it...
As for progress, I've just finished a 14 hour shift fitting the bloody stuff - horrible to work with - fine dust everywhere. I now have the lung function of a squirrel.
The first phase is 100mm in between the pillars, to make the walls flush. 70mm in between rafters. Then phase 2 is 50mm bonded to 12.5mm plaster board (damp proof board) will go flush over everything. So final depths will be 150mm on 4" walls. 50mm on pillars. 120mm on the roof and 100mm on the floor.
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Jeezo- are you allergic to kryptonite but looking to store your collection somewhere??
Jeezo- are you allergic to kryptonite but looking to store your collection somewhere??
I intend to heat the workshop using a candle, so need to get my U value right down......
EDIT plus you seal the whole thing up with aluminium tape to stop any drafts between / around the panels - basically the Celotex forms a vapour barrier. By the time it's done, they'll be something insane like 400m of tape on there as there are so many panels in the roof...
Brilliant stuff.
Will you be doing tours once complete 😀
Ultimate man cave.
The world's first Passiv Schuppen.
I've been doing it wrong all these years 🙄
How you fixing top layer of board flaps? You dabbed the first layer on the walls?
Top layer will screw through to the rafters. For the walls I'll bond it to the brick pillars, the piers are 1.7m apart and the boards are 2.4m long. They'll bow a bit in the middle, if it looks terrible, I'll just cut out a middle stud, be pretty quick to fit.
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Nealglover,
manufacturers details apparently,had it pointed out to me by building control surveyor
Footflaps - Fisher make wall fixing plugs ( Termofix) for insulation boards that are ace. See if you can get a box - they do them in screw in wood, screw into masonry with rawl-plug attached and hammer fix epoxy. Means you should not have any bowing anywhere.
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By the time it's done, they'll be something insane like 400m of tape on there
I think the phrase 'something insane like' can be used as a prefix to all your quantities 🙂