She had to use about 3 plastic bags on her hands so she didn't have to touch the meat. so she couldn't open the packaging properly then took ages to cut just a small amount. I would like to have said why do you work here if you don't want to touch pork plenty of other people want a job. But then someone would probably say I was racist. I've got nothing against anyone but if you want to work here then you have to give a good service to customers we're paying their wages.
When I was four years old, my grandfather drove me around Birmingham, where the Tories had just fought an election campaign saying, "if you want a **** for a neighbour, vote Labour,"
born in 1960 then.
And I remember being at school in the early 80s and my teacher, when he read the register...
And still at school in his early 20's having the register called.
Seems a bit strange ?
[i]see you're blaming 'people with a different skin colour' for crying racism.[/i]
It happens though doesn't it?
I've denied things to prisoners because they've asked for something that they not allowed because of prison policies or rules & I get 'your'e only saying no cos I'm... (insert ethnicity)
Seems a bit strange ?
Well done detective - it really makes a lot of difference to the point he's making doesn't it. 😕
I guess it depends on your definition of 'just'.
I would like to have said why do you work here if you don't want to touch pork plenty of other people want a job. But then someone would probably say I was racist.
Well, crazy idea I know, but maybe she wants a job, but couldn't find one where she didn't have to handle pork. Or maybe it was her first day on the job, and she just wasn't very good at cutting meat. Bit of empathy/understanding/tolerance might not go amiss, or do you reserve that for people of certain ethnic origins?
Did you not dare say 'I'd like a bit more please'?
I've denied things to prisoners because they've asked for something that they not allowed because of prison policies or rules & I get 'your'e only saying no cos I'm... (insert ethnicity)
Maybe some of them have experienced situations where the rules only get enforced for people of a certain ethnicity. And yes some of them are just trying it on.
Unbelievable that in 2013 there are still a couple of people on this thread that need to have racism explained to them.
.....as to tolerate every possible insult, having their wives' integrity questioned, their parentage, hair colour... But as soon as someone mentions skin colour, they burst into tears?? It's ridiculous. This isn't some sort of repression, it's sticks and stones!
Of course it's ****ing repression!
It's because, for decades, open racism ( and therefore hatred ) was seen as acceptable that now we are quite right to stamp it out at the merest utterance.
Well done detective - it really makes a lot of difference to the point he's making doesn't it.
[B]I guess it depends on your definition of 'just'.[/b]
It certainly does.
Because it would have been 1972 when he was 4 years old. Rather than 1964 as he suggested 😉
But I suppose exaggeration to make a point is fine in that context, he is a comedian not Council for the Defence after all.
so you call any comment about foreigners 'racist' then force people to shut up? That's like facism.
I would like to have said why do you work here if you don't want to touch pork plenty of other people want a job. But then someone would probably say I was racist. I've got nothing against anyone but if you want to work here then you have to give a good service to customers we're paying their wages.
Lucky for you that you decided not to say anything, otherwise she may have tried to shoot you with her Muslamic Ray Gun.
infestation - Member
so you call any comment about foreigners 'racist' then force people to shut up? That's like facism.
Any racist comment, perhaps. And did you seriously not ask for more?
Yes being anti racist is very much like facism - one of the key tenants of fascism was its intolerance of racism and they preached relentlessly about how everyone was equal
Seeing as you joined today was it just to get reactions?
Ps I thought you were making a comment about someone in a supermarket how on earth would you know whether she was a foreigner
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so you call any comment about foreigners 'racist' then force people to shut up? That's like facism.
how do you know the lady was foreign ? did you see her passport.
though i do tend to have some sympathy for your position. just because someone is a nasty, bigoted, small minded, xenophobic, islamaphobe, it doesn't mean they're automatically racist too.
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Comments about people being forced to shut up and fascism are quite amusing. The post of mine that Shibboleth threw a hissy fit about got deleted, I wonder why.
My dad was a Muslim and worked for the Wall's meat company for thirty years, he didn't have any problem with it, in fact he kept the local area supplied with cheap sausages, bacon and pork pies from the staff shop for years,
In fact thinking about it, in the end he probably killed more people than Shipman..
The woman in the supermarket just sounds like a lazy moo more than anything else.
i don't see it as any coincidence that the next most moronic post on the thread happened to +1 your comments
If this is aimed at me maybe the last line was a bit daft, though meant tongue in cheek. I'd like you to explain how the rest of it is moronic? I regaled you with a lovely story that clearly demonstrates how the term racist was applied to one group of people but not others, aren't the majority of crimes "hate" crimes? If someone attacks someone else its generally because they don't like them. Why make a definition if it was white on black, black on Asian or Asian on white? I don't agree with any discrimination, but if its going to be that way then lets have a bit of equality in the matter (I know this is the mother of all oxymorons.)
Why make a definition if it was white on black, black on Asian or Asian on white?
Interracial violence is not necessarily a hate crime, and hate crimes are not necessarily interracial.
The post of mine that Shibboleth threw a hissy fit about got deleted, I wonder why.
Last time i questioned him i got deleted for 3 day so count your blessings - perhaps you quoted him and his post has been deleted ?
The woman in the supermarket just sounds like a lazy moo more than anything else.
But all hijabbee'd up to the max! And we can't have that! 🙂
I'd like you to explain how the rest of it is moronic?
i don't need to, i'll let you do it for me
I regaled you with a lovely story that clearly demonstrates how the term racist was applied to one group of people but not others,
to claim that race crimes against white people don't count as racism is quite clearly moronic
dabble - Member
+1 shibboleth
A white lad was beaten up by a group of Asian lads in the local park where I live, it made the local news, they had called him white trash and white s*hite, stabbed him in the hand with a screwdriver and smashed him in the head with a brick. [b]According to the police this does not constitute a racist attack.[/b] If a group of white lads had done this to an Asian lad would it of been classed as racist by the police? You bet your bottom dollar it would. There is an inherent hypocrisy in the whole racism argument in that you can only be racist if your white. Even the black on Asian violence that goes on round here isn't classed as racist. Bollocks to the lot of 'em.
[url= http://www.cps.gov.uk/news/fact_sheets/hate_crime/ ]Hate Crime Fact Sheet[/url]
[b]Any criminal offence which is perceived, by the victim or any other person[/b], to be motivated by a hostility or prejudice based on a person's race or perceived race.
Perhaps it wasn't reported as a hate crime/racist attack? I don't think the police label it as such it's depends how it's reported to them? (Questions as I'm not sure)
[b] they had called him white trash and white s*hite,[/b]
I think he knew why they were braying him.
Edit
It was reported that his family had tried to get it reported as a racist attack but the police were having none of it.
to claim that race crimes against white people don't count as racism is quite clearly moronic
That's my point! the whole system is moronic.
I think he saying your claims are moronic/ ie the claim that only white folk can be racist etc gets trotted out every time we have one of these threads
As it shows that is just not true and no one ever claims this except . lord only knows why, white people
You may consider not treating everything you read as gospel and if this is what happened the police would consider it a hate crime
Indeed they have extended it to groups such as goths recently
Fair enough, he's entitled to his opinion.
More to the point, what does a Muslamic Ray Gun do, and how do I go about acquiring one one? They sound like they would be even more fun than a light sabre.
Oh go on then:
That video never gets old 😆
Why is it the greatest champions of the white race always turn out to be the worst examples of it?
Because there's only one race worth championing.
I, for one, bow and offer thanks to our shape-shifting reptillian overlords.
I knew they'd get you in the end.
you have seen whats happening with Football haven't you
you are the 1980's and Frankie says relax
Sadly not - don't you watch the news?
INRAT, but let's be honest here:
The only people who really complain about 'poltical correctness gone mad' ARE the kind of people who miss the 70's and the opportunity for a good laugh about darkies, yids, queers, ****s & paddies.
Do us all a favour, get used to the fact that casual prejudice isn't acceptable in the UK anymore or piss off somewhere else, eh?
And before you start bleating, this should apply to everyone, regardless of who you are.
I'm ambivalent to this whole thread. Equal rights....racism?' * equal rights.... there I said it.... * it because as soon as they're equal, then some of them....white...black.....all races under the sun... invariably look to worsen their least favorite peoples rights whilst bleating about their own.
Heated threads usually entertain me but I found myself bored to hell by this one.
So what you're saying is you don't mind a bit of inequality as long as you're not the one getting the grief?
it because as soon as they're equal, then some of them....white...black.....all races under the sun... invariably look to worsen their least favorite peoples rights whilst bleating about their own.
Well, that's human nature for you.
It's why we have laws in the first place.
I don't care anymore, whenever these threads come up you either have racists or the anti-racists going mental and no one in between.
Whenever I see discussions about racism on the television or read them in papers...again...it's the same ****ing story. Either I see EDL morons on the BBC or I'm reading in the Guardian about how something like Django Unchained is a racist white mans way of making himself feel better about slavery.
When/If I ever have a lot of money, I'll buy a big ****ing library plus laboratory in the middle of Alaska and go all hermit on the world.
Labrohermit. They'll go mad for it in LA.
The massive racists.
bwaarp - MemberI don't care anymore, whenever these threads come up you either have racists or the anti-racists going mental and no one in between.
Whenever I see discussions about racism on the television or read them in papers...again...it's the same * story.
When/If I ever have a lot of money, I'll buy a big * library plus laboratory in the middle of Alaska and go all hermit on the world.
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People are different - cultures are different.
Be a very boring world if we were all the same 🙂
........or I'm reading in the Guardian about how something like Django Unchained is a racist white mans way of making himself feel better about slavery.
I know what you mean, but idiots will always be idiots.
Try the Independent 🙂
Nowt wrong with just treating everyone the same, be it with love, indifference or contempt, regardless of who they are though, is there?
The only people who really complain about 'poltical correctness gone mad' ARE the kind of people who miss the 70's and the opportunity for a good laugh about darkies, yids, queers, ****s & paddies.
So that would make Klaus Armstrong-Braun a closet racist then? I wonder if he likes having a good laugh about Polacks?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/6155603/Council-canteen-changes-name-of-offensive-Spotted-Dick.html
I'm generally colourblind....I might sometimes...being honest with myself...thanks to the mass media feel a bit shifty if someone of a beardy shaved head persuasion sits next to me with a puffer jacket on whilst riding the underground....the same kind of shifty that I feel if I meet a bunch of pissed up white skinheads walking back home from a night out.
But what I've realized is that lot's of people aren't colorblind, I've felt incredibly uncomfortable sometimes in the presence of international or ethnic students because they've let it be known that I must come from a privileged background because I'm white. I might have come from a middle class background but I have a lot of white friends that grew up in sink estates and my parents were living just above the line for periods during my childhood.
My girlfriends parents (she's Filipino and thank god.... highly educated .....so she saw through her parents crap) wanted her to marry a white guy because they're seen as having money and power...even if they don't it gives the impression that you do just by being white. For example, some of her friends in the Oxford Filipino Society instantly assume I'll love their country because it's so cheap and I'll obviously be able to afford huge nights out, blow, hookers, personal chefs, cleaning ladies etc etc.
I find this mildly irritating.
P.S. Anyhooo these are just some of my random thoughts that I'm MULLING on about how I FEEL.... that I've typed out loud for you guys. Please don't take offence to them, intellectually I don't like treating humans differently so please don't take anything I say out of context.
... feel a bit shifty if someone of a beardy shaved head persuasion sits next to me with a puffer jacket on whilst riding the underground
I don't trust those Scientologists either, proper shifty bunch ...
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HAH! You know what I mean though....even if you have the best of intentions you can still be conditioned to have some prejudice thoughts. The trick is to recognize those feelings and deal with them using rationality and logic.
So that would make Klaus Armstrong-Braun a closet racist then? I wonder if he likes having a good laugh about Polacks?
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newstopics/howaboutthat/6155603/Council-canteen-changes-name-of-offensive-Spotted-Dick.html
If you actually read that story Klaus Armstrong-Braun is just mistaken. It has absolutely nothing to do with political correctness - classic example of the kind of story that will get recounted as 'the PC brigade have even banned Spotted Dick now, you couldn't make it up' etc.
HAH! You know what I mean though....even if you have the best of intentions you can still be conditioned to have some prejudice thoughts. The trick is to recognize those feelings and deal with them using rationality and logic.
Agreed. I grew up in a place where there was almost no ethnic minorities at all, and we had a special assembly when a black kid started at school to warn us all not to be racist. I don't think I can have entirely escaped being influenced by that, despite being brought up by lefty PC do-gooders. 🙂
So that would make Klaus Armstrong-Braun a closet racist then? I wonder if he likes having a good laugh about Polacks?
Of course not.
But, the renaming of Spotted Dick has no relevance to racism, has it?
Unless Mr Blobbly has contacted the relevant authorities.
Yet again, I struggle to see any relevance to the subject under discussion in your post.
bwaarp, excellent post, thanks for that. 😀
I know exactly what you mean - we are conditioned to expect certain attitudes and behaviours from people dependant on their appearance.
I used to go out with a girl who had left Uganda with her family during Idi Amin's purge of Asian people in the 70's.
Her family were Muslim, but very liberal. Certainly far more liberal than the Catholic side of my family 😀
The only predjudice we received as a couple was from my family and Asian lads in the street who didn't believe that she should be associating with a British bloke.
How random is that?!?
P.S. Anyhooo these are just some of my random thoughts that I'm MULLING on about how I FEEL.... that I've typed out loud for you guys. Please don't take offence to them, intellectually I don't like treating humans differently so please don't take anything I say out of context.
No worries.
Thanks for being honest.
I really like this place sometimes. 😀
Mildly irritating? Go ballistic - they deserve it.
Oh, & ....."thank god.... highly educated .....so she saw through her parents crap"
believe me, education has nothing to do with it. 😀
Yet again, I struggle to see any relevance to the subject under discussion in your post.
So not only have you forgotten that you said "The only people who really complain about 'poltical correctness gone mad' ARE the kind of people who miss the 70's..." you didn't even spot where I'd quoted you?
grum - it doesn't really matter that Mr Armstrong-Braun is mistaken, Rusty was accusing anybody using that term of being a closet racist.
So not only have you forgotten that you said "The only people who really complain about 'poltical correctness gone mad' ARE the kind of people who miss the 70's..." you didn't even spot where I'd quoted you?
Yes, I did spot it. 😀
I wasn't aware that the over reaction to the use of the word 'dick' could possbly be seen as 'political correctness'.
I now appreciate my terrible error.
I can assure you that I've given myself a damn good talking to and I'll try to ensure it doesn't happen again.
I offer my most humble apologies.
Please, copy and paste this into your folder of internet victories.
Let me know if you'd like me to post a nice picture of myself waving a white flag.
You could get it laminated.
Let me know if you'd like me to post a nice picture of myself waving a white flag.
You could get it laminated.
i think the norm is for you to send your keyboard to him.
Let me know if you'd like me to post a nice picture of myself waving a white flag.
You could get it laminated.
Rusty, nice way to take the highroad.
So not only have you forgotten that you said "The only people who really complain about 'poltical correctness gone mad' ARE the kind of people who miss the 70's..." you didn't even spot where I'd quoted you?
What point were you trying to make then? That Rusty Spanners logic must mean that the spotted dick people are racists because they complained about "political correctness gone mad". I think this is a completely specious point to make, even totally irrelevant in the context of what we are talking about.
Specious why? Rusty was suggesting that anybody using the term must be a closet racist - I mean there's not a lot of room for doubt with the word "only" - so why doesn't that apply to Mr Armstrong-Braun? I mean you'd think it applied even more to somebody using the term incorrectly...
Maybe if he didn't mean that anybody using that term was a closet racist he should have phrased himself differently. Or even backed down graciously and admitted that he just hadn't expressed himself very well when challenged. I don't think I've seen him actually take back those words...
Blah blah blah semantics blah blah blah read between the lines blah blah blah context.
He meant anyone using the term in the context of a race discussion.
P.S. Although you did post a telegraph article so I'd almost be tempted to take it as evidence for a literal interpretation of Rusty's point.
P.S. Although you did post a telegraph article so I'd almost be tempted to take it as evidence for a literal interpretation of Rusty's point.
Is that a print media ad-hom? 😆
It's not Ad Hom when the paper is barely better than the Daily Fail. If you'd posted the Times then you would have shot yourself in the foot with a .22lr instead of a 40mm bofors canon.
Yep, it would seem it is. Presumably your theory is that no left leaning newspaper would have published a similar story?
http://www.dailypost.co.uk/news/north-wales-news/2009/09/08/pud-you-believe-it-55578-24630230/
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Apologies.
It would appear that I nearly took this idiot seriously.
........North Wales. That bastion of liberal progressive anti-racism lol
Anyhow, the proper old school left wing were often racist.
You still shot yourself in the foot with your post btw.
Define your objections to 'political correctness'.
I don't have any if by that you mean what you express in your last sentence - that pretty much goes without saying for anybody who isn't a bigot. From what I could work out though, it was you who was judging people based on them saying something pretty inoffensive.
Are you really claiming that there are no cases where political correctness goes a bit over the top? How about this one from a paper which might meet your approval
http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2002/may/15/race.world
Did that paper you linked to trot out the often Daily Mail touted "It's PC gone mad". You do tend to find that sentence being used a lot in Daily Fail articles about Christians not getting why they aren't allowed to discriminate against homosexuals or something to do with Muslims and pork etc
Why don't you try following the link and see? Surely it's preferable to have read what you are commenting on?
Nope, doesn't have the words "Political correctness gone mad" in it. Like the term "'elf in safety" it's mostly a term reserved for use by people like Melanie Phillips and Richard Littlejohn...people who are quite possibly suffering from Anosognosia.
I'm not about to disagree with your opinion of those two, nor of the newspaper (sic) they write for.
There is some middle ground though, there are some quite clearly ridiculous examples of political correctness. I seem to remember the Christmas lights in Oxford being de-Christmastized much to the behest of the local Sikh, Muslim and Jewish population.
That's not to say political correctness is bad though. On the whole it's made some wonderful improvements to society.
Again it's all about the context and language used, I tend to turn off when reading anything with such sensationalist language in the context of ethnic or racial issues. They're usually designed to inflame tensions.
So not only have you forgotten that you said "The only people who really complain about 'poltical correctness gone mad' ARE the kind of people who miss the 70's..." you didn't even spot where I'd quoted you?grum - it doesn't really matter that Mr Armstrong-Braun is mistaken, Rusty was accusing anybody using that term of being a closet racist.
It's funny, because, I knew what RS meant. I'm sure most everybody else did too.
Where i work, amongst other restrictions, we can no longer refer to 'political correctness gone mad'. The appropriate phrase is 'political correctness living with mental health problems'.