[Closed] Raoul Moat/John Rambo

Saved the taxpayer a few quid though, every cloud....

Wonder if the local mp will be putting an expenses claim in for the cost of cleaning this moat up?

Unfortunate, but probably the best result all round:

No one else will fall victim to him
He won't end up rotting in jail/hospital for the next 50 years
No policeman has to live with having shot him

Very sad ending. The police, sky news, Rothbury's councillor and Gazza have not come out of this looking very good.

Why did they bring gazza in? Don't the police know England players are crap at a shoot out!

Saved the taxpayer a few quid though, every cloud....

The money had already been saved by not giving him the appropriate care in the first place.

Three children are now without a father, that's well worth a joke. You should be ashamed. Laughing at someone's misfortune is easy from your own comfort zone.

Not sure why you think the police look bad. They stopped anyone else being hurt, they stayed in the area knowing he was there finding him was very difficult. They did well.

What an epic thread!! As my first post said though, surely this won't end nicely! Very sad when someone is at such low point that they kill themselves!

>Not sure why you think the police look bad.

The basic mistakes they made in the initial hunt for him (and before the actual aggro kicked off), not necessarily just the last few hours.

e.g. ignoring durham prison's warnings that Moat presented a danger to his girlfriend. Not monitoring a mate of Moat's after he had delivered a note to him, he returned later with a second note.

A policeman saved from the difficult decision of pulling his trigger, 40k+ a year saved. Its not the ending anyone wanted but he wanted to die and he got his wish. Its sad that he leaves children without a father but they wouldn't have had a father anyway because he would probably die in prison.

The facts are yes, there are three children without a father but it's maybe for the best as he hit them - he was a violent man. There is lots of history of domestic violence that he has done and these are the things that will get over-looked in this sad case. He obviously wasn't the sort of man who you could talk logically too and he was always going do what "he" thought was right and that's a very worrying problem. I believe the Police handled the whole incident very very well, even from the original disturbance and I'm sure more information will come out, especially the dictaphone that he used and was found at his hide-out.

Yer man from Lost was involved last night

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+1 for Northumbria police doing a good job. They held back the media with those blackouts and at times but also got very frustrated with them on numerous occasions.

Incidents like this in the future need something done about the media - but at the same time i was enthralled watching it unfold.

allthepies - Member

The basic mistakes they made in the initial hunt for him (and before the actual aggro kicked off), not necessarily just the last few hours.

e.g. ignoring durham prison's warnings that Moat presented a danger to his girlfriend. Not monitoring a mate of Moat's after he had delivered a note to him, he returned later with a second note.

Whilst I am sure you are an expert on police procedures, unprecedented manhunts and have an inside connection to the control room at the Northumbria Police HQ in Ponteland, can we just let the PCC report on their findings? They were voluntarily called in after the prison int mess after all.

Hadge! Thought you were on about gazza there for a minute!!!

Its a shame 3 kids are now without a father but they could have quite easily been additional victims of his once he lost the plot. We've seen this happen before out of spite - that guy that jumped off the balcony on holiday and killed his kids after a row with the wife. Sad to say but they're probably better off without him.

A troubled mind is at rest now.

Not really. He's dead.

fourcrossjohn - Member

moat if he has his head screwed on

Not any more, he doesn't...

Thought you were on about gazza there for a minute!!!

LOL

There are a few folk on the thread that need a damn good shake. Tossers.

Is that why you're called "jimmyshand"?

It's a sad fact of life but the public seem to want to know everything that's going on, be it getting the truth or just something they can talk about and add their own take/opinion on. The media knows this, fuels the situation and then those who have to deal with it have very difficult descions to make knowing the whole country/world is watching.
It's a very sad thing that's happened but I honestly believe that a man who has already killed one, seriously injured others and would have harmed others if he had the chance. He had forced himself into a corner which he made by his own actions and thoughts had no matter how much help he would have received would have changed his state of mind - it's just how some people are.

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jimmyshand - been on the 'roids have you?

Drac - Member

"A troubled mind is at rest now"

Mr Woppit - Member

"Not really. He's dead"

You [i]never[/i] miss the opportunity to ram your extremist and fanatical atheistic views down people's throats,
do you Woppit ?

You never miss the opportunity to ram your extremist and fanatical atheistic views down people's throats,
do you Woppit ?

I wouldn't call it any of the above. its just satire!

It's not really satire either though is it? More a statement of fact. People don't rest when they are fatally wounded, they die. Why is there such a problem with talking about the finality of death in this country?

You never miss the opportunity to ram your extremist and fanatical atheistic views down people's throats,
do you Woppit ?

Agreed. I really can't be doing with religious extremists.

You never miss the opportunity to ram your extremist and fanatical atheistic views down people's throats,
do you Woppit ?

Very rarely, ernie. Bit like with you and (the alleged) "Das Kapital" ...

I wonder if Raoul ended up a bit piqued that all that muscle development and hours spent in front of the mirror practising that really scary face, didn't seem to have worked, as a life choice? 😕

Why is there such a problem with talking about the finality of death in this country?

Nothing. And I know from Drac's previous posts that he fully accepts "the finality of death".

However some people find the Woppit's obsessive compulsion to remind everyone about his views, whatever the subject of the thread, rather boring.

Some would say the same about you ernie_lynch - I am one of them. You do get rather tedious at times.

Boring enough to want to keep commenting on it, obviously. Haven't you got any milk to deliver?

Some would say the same about you ernie_lynch

Well they are perfectly entitled to. Although I would reject the accusation. However, I do have a tendency to talk about politics on political threads, which I assume is what you are probably suggesting - I won't deny that.

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Re : [i]"Boring enough to want to keep commenting on it"[/i]

I never get bored with challenging you Woppit. It's a dirty business ..... but someone's got to do it.

You lot do realise its really nice and sunny outside right?

*heads out for a run*

No, I am suggesting that you have an inability to not have the last word or see the world from another's perspective.

Mr W will soon remind us that he'd spend even longer going on about it if only he'd not been told to "give it a rest".

I'm doing what Jamie's doing and "going out for a run"

(except doing it a bit faster because I've got normal sized feet that aren't sore 🙂 )

deadlydarcy is pretty much the same as ernie_lynch - tedious.

(except doing it a bit faster because I've got normal sized feet that aren't sore )

Go **** yourself.

jimmyshand - Member

No, I am suggesting that you have an inability to not have the last word

Your go next.

Should this bit be the thread closed? 😉

When I put on the radio this morning and heard the news I couldn't help feeling a bit sorry for him. Guess circumstances in life can drive people over the edge.

Well it was only a matter if time before the cocks started posting.

If the guy had a history of violence towards his children, then he was failed by the system. This is the money I was thinking about, if he had a mental illness then he should have been dealt with by professionals. Care in the community? Clearly doesn't work.

Go **** yourself.

No. 🙂

Thing is - If it had been a sane man who was on the run and a threat, then I'd be first in the queue saying good resolution, another scumbag bites the dust!

unfortunately, I think in this case its fairly clear that he probably wasn't

I also begin to hear details come out that apparently he'd been arrested something like fifteen times, charged twelve, and only found guilty once, along with stuff about them stopping his car a hundred times in five months - now, that does make you begin to wonder if the allegations of police victimising the bloke are true, not saying he's blameless, but certainly its possible that he was pushed over the edge, in which case someone needs to reflect on how it came to this...

Other local people overheard some of the negotiations that took place between Moat and the police before he apparently turned his gun on himself.
A guest-house owner, who did not want to be named, told the BBC: "He actually said, the one thing that sticks in my mind, 'I haven't got a dad'... and he also said that, 'nobody cares about me'."

So it's emerged that the police fired a tazer at Ra' Moat. I wonder was that before, during or after he shot himself. The audio clip sounds like multiple shots. At least 2.

There is no amount of “victimisation” that justifies him procuring weapons which he used to kill one person and seriously injure two others. Neither does the planning of his actions and the assistance he sought from 3rd parties suggest to me someone mentally ill or “pushed over the edge”.

He was a person whose own actions and choices brought bad things into his life, but rather than accept any responsibility, he convinces himself he’s a blameless victim.

Hmm - I wonder if the taser being fired was what led Moat to shoot himself. On the basis that he had his finger on the trigger of the shotgun and had a shed load of electricity fired through his body which caused his muscles to contract. Lets face it - the guy in the pic up there somewhere doesn't look like he's the most responsible person in the world and certainly not one that should be let lose with firearms.

jimmyshand

Lets face it - the guy in the pic up there somewhere doesn't look like he's the most responsible person in the world and certainly not one that should be let lose with firearms.

Probably why they gave him the tazer.
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"Awww lads..why can't I get a ****in gun??"

"There ya go gurning johnny, play with that tazer but don't bloody shoot it at anyone..."[/i]

I was watching BBC news 24 last night as everything unfolded...Very exciting.
It was great for the people of Rothbury that the Police placed a cordon around Rauol Moat. It was bitterly disappointing for the rest of the world that it was not James Corden.
Two birds... one stone... missed opportunity quite frankly.

Feeling sorry for him was my first thoughts. He was a complete ****t to do what he did. There are a lot more out there on the edge I suspect.

deadlydarcy - Member

Mr W will soon remind us that he'd spend even longer going on about it if only he'd not been told to "give it a rest".

I'd spend even longer going on about it if only I'd not been told to "give it a rest".

Sorry, couldn't resist.

I'll give you that one 😉