[Closed] Rangers Football Club going into administration

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Rangers being liquidate and disappearing completely is unlikely I'd of thought. The other SPL clubs rely on the TV income and larger crowds they get from the Old Firm. Without Rangers the TV money will fall and there will be 4 less big games for each of the other teams.

As for the singing, both sections have songs that are offensive, and for a fan of either club to try and say that they dont is bullshit. They need to take their head out and sand and stop taking the "Aye, but so do they" or the "Our songs are political" stance. The majority of Olf Firms fans I know are very decent and dont sing these songs, but some do and they all need to grow up and move on.

[url= http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-17026172 ]http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west-17026172[/url]

HMRC have now played their card. Things would be even grimmer I suspect if the court rules in their favour. Not sure of the ins and outs though as the tax case verdict hasnt been settled yet?

If Portsmouth go tits up just support them in The Southern League .Halifax,and Chester still exist in non league form

seosamh77

You claimed you did on another thread? Or is it just your ignorance of the meaning of the "celtic songs" that you sing?

But anyhow, i'm not really wanting to get into this, as clearly alot of people just here the acronym IRA and it's like a red rag to a bull on here. Sensible discussion is not likely to follow.

Ah, so once you have finished a rousing chorus of songs about people who shot their own countrymen for no other reason than being of a different religion (which is in no way connected with bigotry)you sit down as soon as somebody starts up with anything about religion,well done.

seosamh77 - Member

because it is often sung with pro ira chants. I see once again you are trying to paint Celtic fan as whiter than white by criticising the actions of Rangers fans. Quite frankly your arguments are at about the same level as a petulant child who can only see the faults of others.
Who's painting celtic fans whiter than white? Not me anyhow, I've got myself into fights with celtic fans in the past after pulling them up over their behaviour. I'm well aware of our deficiencies as a support, more so than yourself i'd imagine.

What i am saying though is that is that the equal blame people try to give out is wrong.

[b]Btw where have i denied anything about IRA songs, I sing them myself and make no apology for it.[/b]

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Your words I believe?

Mate, you're an idiot. go away.

I do, but i don't see where the religious aspect comes into IRA songs? I

Mate, you're an idiot. go away.

seosamh77

if you cannot see the correlation between singing Celtic songs and bigotry and religious intolerance you clearly have failed to grasp the issues. Fortunatly the police have

"If you sing the Billy Boys or the Famine Song, we'll arrest you.

"If you sing the Boys Of The Old Brigade, we'll arrest you and there have been convictions in court before where that song is concerned.

"If you sing a pop song like Simply The Best, but insert 'F*** the Pope and the IRA' in the middle of it, we'll arrest you for that as well.

"If you sing anything that's derisory about the Pope or the Queen, we'll consider that an arrestable offence."

Now if I remember correctly the boys of the old brigade was one song you defended.

http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/2011/04/13/old-firm-cops-vow-to-snatch-hate-song-bigots-from-easter-sunday-showdown-crowd-86908-23057861/

Infact here it is.

seosamh77 - Member

"That makes you a sectarian bigot. You need to understand a bit of the history. This not a harmless folk song"

No it doesn't and i'm comfotable enough in my knowledge of the history, hardly an expert, but i've a grasp of it and continually learning.

Please tell how does singing a song, for example the boys of the old brigade or the broad black brimmer make me a sectarian bigot? you'll find the words online via a google search, go on explain it to me.

http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/scottish-sectarianism/page/4

being of a different religion

I realise it's a minor point in the face of a £80m tax bill, but Catholicism and Protestantism are different traditions within the same religion, rather than being different religions.

What is much funnier if you appreciate irony is that it's the [i]loyalists[/i] who have been defrauding Her Majesty's revenue and customs. Clearly their allegiance to Liz doesn't extend to forking out to keep her in the manner to which she's become accustomed.

I see that Whyte is trying to come to an creditors arrangement with the HMRC - presumably he's offering to set up an Orange Standing Order?

And why am I am idiot? I don't sing songs glorifying sectarian terrorist organisations, something I think would be a fairly clear indicator of idiocy....Wanders off crying to burn his postgrad in History...

What has 4 legs,a wet nose,and more money than Rangers? Harry Rednapp's dog.

seosamh77 - you really need to be a loot more careful with what you're telling us about the songs you sing.

Probably a good idea to delete this thread now, before it gets a bit silly.

This is why I am so glad that I now care not a hoot for Scottish Club football. I used to be a follower of one of the Glasgow clubs, but the bile filed hatred of both sets of fans simply sickened me.

They criticise one another, yet spit hatred and fury out in equal measures. Neither can see the error of their ways and it is always the "others" or "establishment" against them.

The embittered rantings and ravings to battles in a foreign country are simply ludicrous.

Tiddlywinks anyone?

Surrounded By Zulus - Member
Probably a good idea to delete this thread now, before it gets a bit silly.

I think threads like this provide a public service, douchebag awareness if you will.

douchebag awareness if you will.

I think that most of us were well aware of seosamh77s status.

Probably a good idea to delete this thread now, before it gets a bit silly.

Seems a bit late for that to be honest. What a glowing picture it gives of Fans of the beautiful game, north of the border.

Previously all I'd had to go on was watching in disgust, as one set of Glasgow fans, behaving like animals*, trashed our city centre 🙄

* in fact, to be fair, that's an insult to animals

I also remember the visit of Rangers to Manchester, an absolute disgrace of a club and collection of so called fans. The end of rangers could be a good thing for Scottish football.

The end of rangers could be a good thing for Scottish football.

Scottish football in the long right might be better off, but there would be a large period where all the other teams would struggle due to the lost income. The resistance to league reformation that would of lead to the loss of 4 games from the Old Firm a season shows how important these games are to the other clubs. If they got through this period, there might be light at the end of the tunnel but its a long shot.

Manchester was very unfortunate 🙁 Cant really defend the behaviour of the fans, but considering there were 150,000 odd fans and it was only a small % of that that caused trouble. Combined with Manc council selling booze from 10am there was always the potential that there was going to be some issues.

It also appears now Rangers and HMRC are fighting in court over who gets to put the club into admin. Strange situation to be in :s

Manc council selling booze from 10am

Yes, imagine that, selling booze during normal licensing hours is to blame for what went on in Manchester!

Yes, imagine that, selling booze during normal licensing hours is to blame for what went on in Manchester!

Didnt say it was to blame, but having it set up the way they did certainly didnt help.

TandemJeremy - Member

Now if I remember correctly the boys of the old brigade was one song you defended.

Manc council selling booze from 10am

Oh... they didn't wait til 10. I rode down Cross Street at 8am and picked my way through Paralytic Rangers Fans vomitting and pissing in the street, and abusing passers by. I saw one gang shouting utterly obscene comments at every female who walked past. It was an absolute disgrace.

At least they all had the consideration to all be wearing their 'colours' so they could be easily identified as complete morons

Surrounded By Zulus - Member
seosamh77 - you really need to be a loot more careful with what you're telling us about the songs you sing.

Probably a good idea to delete this thread now, before it gets a bit silly.

binners - Member

Manc council selling booze from 10am

Oh... they didn't wait til 10. I rode down Cross Street at 8am and picked my way through Paralytic Rangers Fans vomitting and pissing in the street, and abusing passers by. I saw one gang shouting utterly obscene comments at every female who walked past. It was an utter disgrace

Yes but this will not be from Council sales of booze. You may find that the travelling ambassadors of the great skint club may well have brought some with them. Did they not introduce Lancashire to Buccy?

If i could be arsed(which I can't) I could go an find you recent cases where an attempt to do someone with singing that particular song was thrown out out, but ho hum, lets all go on the daily records word, bastion of fine journalism.

Digging yourself into a deeper hole, but everybody else on this thread...and the media would appear to be at odds with the "facts" as you see them. Again; why are songs glorifying an organisation that carries out sectarian killings not bigoted?

this is why we'd all be really delighted to have you both in the epl.

duckman - Member

Digging yourself into a deeper hole,

This is why I am so glad that I now care not a hoot for Scottish Club football. I used to be a follower of one of the Glasgow clubs, but the bile filed hatred of both sets of fans simply sickened me.

The silliness started when they proclaimed the conflict in the 06 counties is purely a sectarian conflict and it's that black and white. But well it's their ignorance not mine, I'm happy to let them wallow in it.

this is why we'd all be really delighted to have you both in the epl

Yes that's the spirit, judge one of the larger-supported clubs in the world by one fan with controversial song views on a mountain bike forum.

I've never actually met anyone so dense they can attract light

BigButSlimmerBloke - Member

This is why I am so glad that I now care not a hoot for Scottish Club football. I used to be a follower of one of the Glasgow clubs, but the bile filed hatred of both sets of fans simply sickened me.

You do know that football's played outside Glasgow, don't you? And that that sectarian bile of which you talk is only heard when the Bigot Brothers are in town

Indeed BigBut.... There is however plenty of bile between the other clubs. Plus let's face it, it aint exactly top fare.

The defenders of the tribal chanting, no matter what side are extremely irritating. They see no other point of view.

Brycey - with the greatest of respect - I've been going to old first division, premiership and European matches since i was 7 and even back in the supposed 'bad old days', I have never witnessed anything even approaching the behavior of the Rangers fans in Manchester. Worse than animals, I'm afraid

Binners; totally agree. They were an absolute disgrace to Rangers and Scotland.

Rewind a couple of years to Seville and you'll see a different picture though.

Brycey - Member

this is why we'd all be really delighted to have you both in the epl

Yes that's the spirit, judge one of the larger-supported clubs in the world by one fan with controversial song views on a mountain bike forum.

Brycey - with the greatest of respect - I've been going to old first division, premiership and European matches since i was 7 and even back in the supposed 'bad old days', I have never witnessed anything even approaching the behavior of the Rangers fans in Manchester. Worse than animals, I'm afraid

Different clubs. Manchester was trashed by Rangers fans, yet in Seville, Celtic fans recived plaudits and fair play award.

Still, I am scunnered with it all.

Celtic fans recived plaudits and fair play award.

They give out awards for not being idiots?

There's some twisted thought patterns going on there

They give out awards for not being idiots?

They do indeed Jota; I wouldn't expect yours to arrive any time soon...

Still, I am scunnered with it all

I hear you!

jota180 - Member

Celtic fans recived plaudits and fair play award.

They give out awards for not being idiots?

There's some twisted thought patterns going on there

Absolutely! Got awarded for not wrecking the city!

Still, any knuckle dragging Rangers fan that could get on a bus went to Manchester, the Celtic knuckle draggers would have had to get flights and have ID for getting abroad, so not many went.

wallace1492 - Member
Celtic fans recived plaudits and fair play award.

They give out awards for not being idiots?

There's some twisted thought patterns going on there

Absolutely! Got awarded for not wrecking the city!

Still, any knuckle dragging Rangers fan that could get on a bus went to Manchester, the Celtic knuckle draggers would have had to get flights and have ID for getting abroad, so not many went.

The silliness started when they proclaimed the conflict in the 06 counties is purely a sectarian conflict and it's that black and white. But well it's their ignorance not mine, I'm happy to let them wallow in it.

As a matter of interest, does a room appear darker or lighter to you when you walk into it? I only ask because I've never actually met anyone so dense they can attract light

That there is the reason why it's quite funny watching you all go mental at the mention of IRA.

Got awarded for [s]not wrecking the city[/s] behaving themselves!

Reinforcing and rewarding good behaviour is quite a common approach - I'm pretty sure you'll find your mummy used it on you.

seosamh77 - Member

unsurprisingly, someone comments without knowing what the f they are talking about. Quite funny this thread.

Not sure what you mean there. My point is that if Celtic was in Manchester in the same circumstances, similar things *may* have happened. My suspicion is probably not, as I have always found them far friendlier and less embittered.

Reinforcing and rewarding good behaviour is quite a common approach - I'm pretty sure you'll find your mummy used it on you.

Can't really remember TBH

But, is it a weekly thing giving awards to fans for behaving then?
just seems odd to me
I can understand you may do that with kids but isn't that to mould behaviour for when they're adults?

seosamh77 - Member

unsurprisingly, someone comments without knowing what the f they are talking about. Quite funny this thread.

I can understand you may do that with kids but isn't that to mould behaviour for when they're adults?

Some fans of the Old Firm never grow up.... they may then have to face real life! 🙂

Rangers now in Adminstration

Do they have to stop playing now?

According to five live, a lot of other big football clubs were also using these dodgy offshore trusts to pay players while avoiding tax.

Rangers and Portsmouth won't be the last of it. There must be some pretty nervous looking finance directors in the Premiership at the moment

According to five live, a lot of other big football clubs were also using these dodgy offshore trusts to pay players while avoiding tax.

D'you know, that rings a bell
Fairly sure a sparkie mate of mine was saying something about avoiding tax by some offshore ruse - wasn't really paying attention though

Wonder if it's the same sort of thing?

Man U, Arsenal,Chelsea and Liverpool in England were all using these. However I believe Rangers didn't cover the tracks as well as they were meant to, making it easy for HMRC to prove that they were regular payments to salary.

fd3chris - Member

From my close colleague sitting next to me who is a Celtic season ticket holder, if both Celtic and rangers bigoted fans do not realise that both clubs need each other to move forward out of the dark ages then Scottish football will be dead and buried.

Neither Celtic nor Scottish football "needs" Rangers.

Rangers, under David Murray's regime of systematic financial doping, ruined Scottish football, and, in an orgy of spending money it never earned, created an arms race which brought most of the SPL to the brink of the financial abyss upon which it now teeters.

Prior to that there was a competitive league. In the 80s Aberdeen and Dundee United both reaching European finals. Aberdeen, Dundee United, Celtic and Hearts (but for a last-10-mins of the season collapse) all could have or did win the league. Scotland routinely qualified for the finals of major tournaments. Rangers, for most of this decade, were also-rans. Under Murray they bought success, and sucked in gullible glory-hunters from the length and breadth of Scotland who might otherwise have fallen in behind their local team.

FC Rangers 2012 having to come up through the leagues again would be good for the lower divisions. It would spread the wealth somewhat. They'd no doubt be back in the SPL in three seasons.

There would be no Celtic domination ad infinitum. Celtic's board are not daft. They don't spend money they don't need to, despite frequent criticism from their fans for adopting this approach. You could argue that Rangers' last big transfer splurge, which the Celtic board chose not to match, secured them their last three titles. If Rangers exit the SPL, and Celtic need to downsize because less money needs to be spent to compete, they probably will, no matter how much the fans bump their gums about it.

Bigger clubs than Rangers, like Juventus, or arguably, Leeds, have been done bang to rights and made to take their medicine, after cheating of one sort or another. Financial doping, dodging taxes that competitors pay, is cheating.

The money the SPL gets from Sky is derisory. A pittance. It could be made up from attendance figures in a more competitive league, which you would certainly have if a newco Rangers are served up their just desserts and have to start again at the bottom of the pyramid.

Read the fan forums of any Scottish club over the past 24 hours, and you'll see that it's not just nasty, bigoted Celtic fans who are limbering up to stamp the dirt down on Rangers 1873-2012 (RIP). They've been a suppurating boil on the arse of Scottish football for decades, for innumerable reasons, and it's time it was lanced.

Congratulations to Celtic on winning the SPL.

He's smiling and says he can see your point stefmcdef 🙂

good posdt, but I'd query this

They'd no doubt be back in the SPL in three seasons.

Thread needs closed now.

They sucked in glory hunters, as no doubt do Celtic, when there's any glory to be had, but the 15,000 connoiseurs who booed them off the pitch following their recent not-on-the-season-book cup exit to Dundee United, is probably a realistic ballpark figure of their core support. Still an order of magnitude bigger than anything else in Scottish football. They'd still attract and retain better players than their competitors in a lower-division scenario.

The real glory hunters will just sit in the house watching Sky and cheering on Man City and Real Madrid; some of them, the ones who are nominally Rangers fans but who follow the smaller provincial teams to big days out such as cup semis and finals, might become more regular attendees.

true, and that will see them through the 3rd and 2nd. But of those 15000, how many will there be after 2 years of playing part time teams? Dundee still carry a big support for D1 but struggle. I reckon by the time they're back in the SPL, they'll be about the size of Aberdeen, (12000 average attendances when they're doing reasonably well), maybe a bit less.

Why are we discussing football in a foriegn country followed by idiots who believe in a sky god.It`s not like the football or the country is anygood to anyone let them all **** off and join the euro

Why are we discussing football in a foriegn country fololwed by idiots who believe in a sky god.It`s not like the football or the country is anygood to anyone let them all **** off and join the euro

Love it.... Listening to Old Firm fans you would think it was a foreign country....... Some have a rather shakey grasp on history and English.

because, and I appreciate that your might have difficulty in handling the concept, some of us actually live in that "foreign country". And given that's what the thread is about, it might be appreciated if you were to **** off and take your arrogance and stupidity with you

Edric 64 - Member

Why are we discussing football in a [b]foriegn country fololwed by idiots[/b] 😆 who believe in a sky god.It`s not like the football or the country is anygood to anyone let them all **** off and join the euro

We're discussing it. You're trolling.

There is a "do not click on thread title" option for subjects you do not wish to discuss.

Just winding folk up as it seems to be a feature of this thread

I just dont get the bigotry not being Scottish or Catholic Irish .I suppose they could return to Ireland if living here is so bad

I just dont get the bigotry not being Scottish or Catholic Irish .I suppose they could return to Ireland if living here is so bad

..and you could go someplace else, but you won't will you? Why do stupid people breed? I mean don't we have enough of them, **** me, we built a wall to try and keep them out and now they sneak in through that internetworky thing

Oi! They're not independent yet. So we get to talk about them still. It'll be worse when we're neighbours though.

Like two families with ASBO's, on a dodgy council estate. Just picture the piss-soden mattress casually disgarded on the overgrown lawn. The cans of stella strewn about the place. The car up on bricks.......

I'm feeling quite misty-eyed

Edric 64 - Member

I just dont get the bigotry not being Scottish or Catholic Irish .I suppose they could return to Ireland if living here is so bad

Where do atheist fans of Scottish football like me fit into your equation?

Anyone else living "here" you'd like to send back while you're at it, Mr Garnett?

The car up on bricks.....

The cans of stella strewn about the place

I lived with my mamma
'til I was sixteen
old time religion
the sweetest of dreams
and now that I'm agin'
and concience is dead
in my left hand the Bible
in my right hand an old purple tin

I went to the doctor
'cause I was unwell
he said, "my boy,
you all shot to hell
I go'n write you a prescription
for some pure heroin"
but I traded that sucker
for a six pack of that old purple tin

the old purple tin
the old purple tin
sweet testament Lord
to the state that im in
I drunk it all day
I drunk it all night
the old purple tin
oh Lord, lights up my life

I am in prision
the light never shines
I can't see my bible
so dark is the night
I'm waiting for letters
that never get sent
all my brothers and sisters
on the corner with that old purple tin

the old purple tin
the old purple tin
sing it now
sweet testament Lord
sweet nine percent, Lord
to the state that I'm in
I have drunk it all day
I have drunk it all night
the old purple tin
oh Lord, lights up my life
lights up my life
lights up my life
lights up my life

thank you alabama3

I dont know if there is anyone else living in Scotland I would like to send anywhere else 😆

And the Irn Bru /battered Mars Bar diet

Ah yes. The purple can isn't a patch on .....

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Now [b]THAT[/b] is class

And the Irn Bru /battered Mars Bar diet

Edric 64 - Member

And the Irn Bru /battered Mars Bar diet

Och, jings! That's a stoatir! 🙄

You do know it isn't compulsory to state your IQ alongside your username, don't you?

😆

Edric 64 - Member

You lot really bite out in the colonies dont you?

It's the likes of you that put the "colon" in colonialism.

my, how sharp, witty and amusing you are trying so hard to be.
EDIT - oohh did that last post just disappear up your own ar%e?

They've been a suppurating boil on the arse of Scottish football for decades, for innumerable reasons, and it's time it was lanced.

Picturesque 🙂

Get rid of the lot I say.

Turn the fitba fields into velodromes...

We've got that covered over Celtic park way. Actually as a piece of useless information Celtic park was a regular cycling venue in its formative years. Some pics if you are interested. http://celticgraves.com/topic/8205065/3/