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[i]As in the other thread, why does riding bikes down hills produce a result so far at odds with polls? Probably best to save answers to other thread [/i]
Could be either "MTB riders are bigger risk-takers than the general population" or could be "MTB riders know when to take a chance and when not to"
depending on how you look at it I guess 🙂
I currently live in Spain so won't be voting.
Well I don't think the general opinions on STW reflect the general populous. At the last GE based upon most of the views and perceived political persuiasions on this forum i'd have bet a significant part of my body against the result we got. I suspect the results of this referendum will be to remain, but I think it will be closer than this poll suggests.
but mostly because I don't want Boris and IDS in charge.
@jam bo Boris very likely to win any leadership contest anyway
Regular posters and certainly in the political threads non/reflective of voting population, its the demographic
Labour would be in power with a landslide majority if this forum was representative.
Stay, just
Project Fear vs Project Unicorn, it's all rather tiresome.
As in the other thread, why does riding bikes down hills produce a result so far at odds with polls? Probably best to save answers to other thread
because audi drivers and santa cruz owners are the shy conservatives at heart 🙂
Leave.
Stay
Very particular demographic on here I think. I reckon it'll be close.
leave
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Leave
Stay
Stay.
I am yet to see a single valid argument for leave that doesn't come across as anything other than.... "we used to be a great nation that ruled half the world and won 2 world wars. Let's leave so we top dog again" B*llocks
[b]Leave[/b]
I am yet to see a single valid argument for leave that doesn't come across as anything other than.... "we used to be a great nation that ruled half the world and won 2 world wars. Let's leave so we top dog again" B*llocks
You see what you want to see.
You rationalise what you want to rationalise.
Anything you do not want to see you will not see.
[b]Obvious is obvious and I told you so.[/b]
Lemmings! Forward march!
Stay
My selfish consider the money, the business ,economy and all that stuff says stay.
My experience of working on CEN standards and EU Directives says leave.
As I'll be in Brussels that week on a matter relating to an EU directive, that will be the time to make up my mind (if they let me back in time).
Stay
Stay, but with considerable sympathy for Leave.
Boris is a busted flush, he will never lead the conservative party. Previously he had a following among the membership but now he is only in fourth and he will always struggle to get on the membership ballot anyway.
Stay.
Postal vote, so little chance of not casting it.
Stay.
teamhurtmore - Member
As in the other thread, why does riding bikes down hills produce a result so far at odds with polls? Probably best to save answers to other thread
Perhaps there are factors in addition to being an MTBer that influence who becomes a regular at STW? Maybe there's some strongly eurosceptic and right wing MTB forums out there?
Also demographically STW's users may overall be younger than the mean voting age, and both leave and the Conservatives appear to be more popular with the old than the young.
Ahm 'oot
mefty - Member
Stay, but with considerable sympathy for Leave.
[b]Please don't.
Show and save your sympathy for the weak, the old, the poor, the ones that cannot fight back.[/b]
None of us will suffer now or in this generation.
The next generations will suffer and let them deal with their problems.
The strong survive and the weak perish when the EU population multiply extensively.
Let's see whose gene pool will survive.
Stay and I vote.
Also demographically STW's users may overall be younger than the mean voting age, and both leave and the Conservatives appear to be more popular with the old than the young.POSTED 1 MINUTE AGO # REPORT-POST
Very true. While walking the dogs I meet mainly "older" people. I have yet to meet one who wants to stay.
Leave.
I think it will be a close call ( unlike on here), but ultimately remain will win.
Stay
suburbanreuben - Member
Also demographically STW's users may overall be younger than the mean voting age, and both leave and the Conservatives appear to be more popular with the old than the young.
Very true. While walking the dogs I meet mainly "older" people. I have yet to meet one who wants to stay.
Nope.
STW are old, educated, left leaning (the norm on STW), middle class and much better off than the norm.
They also come from the generations of class struggle.
stay
Stay.
Stay.
Not all older people are outers, my parents are in their mid-80's and are both stayers too, and they will vote, as I will
Stay.
Holding my nose and voting stay
Stay!
I am yet to see a single valid argument for leave that doesn't come across as anything other than.... "we used to be a great nation that ruled half the world and won 2 world wars. Let's leave so we top dog again" B*llocks
This, along with an over inflated sense of where we stand in the world with regards to import/export and trade and industry in general.
Leave!
Leave
Stay
Stay.
Remain.
If some one could explain a few things, like suggesting an effective system for making payments to farmers to replace the current EU subsidies, in a way that wasn't just as expensive and complicated, then I could see myself being persuaded to change my mind.
Or, if someone could give me a few examples of the pesky red tape that we could ditch, where 'red-tape' doesn't actually mean environmental and employment protection.
Those are the kind of things the Leave campaign need to talk to me about, they aren't. I wonder why...
Update and hopefully accurate - 100 opinions stated so far
Stay 74 (74%)
Leave 16 (16%)
Undecided 10 (10%)
BillOddie has it spot on other than a financial zone (London) we really need to loose this sense that we are a major economic entity - all we have that doesn't belong to the Duke of Westminster we have sold and we invest in nothing that does not have the words "property" in it - we don't have Microsoft, Apple, Google let alone any form of significant manufacturing (that we actually own) we have become a technical sweatshop for various overseas organisations (nissan hon da etc etc) and anyone who thinks we can get rid of various European Directives is living in la la land - just who are we going to sell stuff to if we don't comply - Boris Farage and IDS are hardly global political change makers they can barley string a sentence together that makes sense. No one has a clue to what will actually happen on exit other than a short term recession - so the question is can the new Tories Boris IDS Gove actually turn the economy around from a trade deal/commerce point of view No ******* Chance
Stay.
I am yet to see a single valid argument for leave that doesn't come across as anything other than.... "we used to be a great nation that ruled half the world and won 2 world wars. Let's leave so we top dog again" B*llocks
+1
Boris in particular seems to be really laying on the "Come on, aren't we GREAT BRITAIN?!" stuff.
Boris is actually managing to look even more of a clown than he already was. He can say goodbye to any hope of being leader I reckon.
Leave.
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Leave...though I may change my mind!
Boris is actually managing to look even more of a clown than he already was. He can say goodbye to any hope of being leader I reckon.
I think the contrary, imo Osbourne has no chance now 2 fluffed budgets and his Remain campaign has been a disgrace
If Boris becomes leader, Tim Fallon finally has a chance - anyone remember the LDs?
Boris or Jezza - what an appalling thought
Even the right wing press is starting to lay into Boris about his performance and prospects with critical articles in the Telegraph and Mail to name but two over the past couple of days. Even Katie Hopkins!
Boris is a self serving asshat.
In - but not for the reason above.
Leave
Read the IMF report today about Greece
Stay..
tpbiker - Member[s]Boris[/s] Politican or Bureaucrat is a self serving asshat.
[s]In[/s] OUT - [s]but not[/s] for the reason above.
In until someone said Google TTIP,now not sure but I can see why Obama wants us to stay in.
jimster01 - Member
In until someone said Google TTIP,now not sure but I can see why Obama wants us to stay in.
... because he knows you lot are heading for a major mess giving them the chance to pick you apart. i.e. apply pressure to the bureaucrats wallahhhhh ... they are in one single market with one kill all EU ... 😆
A summary here from [url= http://www.independent.co.uk/voices/comment/what-is-ttip-and-six-reasons-why-the-answer-should-scare-you-9779688.html ]The Independent[/url]
For TTIP to materialise, all the countries in the EU have to sign up, that'll never happen as it's so unpopular.
Except with the tories, who'll sign the papers as the first act of Brexit. Asking us to admire their first post-EU trade agreement.
vote leave if you [i]want[/i] TTIP.
ahwiles - MemberFor TTIP to materialise, all the countries in the EU have to sign up, that'll never happen as it's so unpopular.
Except with the tories, vote leave if you want TTIP.
Wishful thinking ...
At one point the EU president (this will happen) will sign on behalf of the entire EU where majority rule. i.e. if majority want TTIP then the minority will have to comply.
That's not how these things work in the EU.
Oh god, I'm arguing with chewie, kill me now.
ahwiles - MemberThat's not how these things work in the EU.
Oh god, I'm arguing with chewie, kill me now.
It might not work like I have described Now but it[b] [u]Will[/u][/b] because that is how bureaucratic or politburo works.
You simply cannot have an organisation structure/system etc that is inbetween because you will end up with an even larger mess. Naturally, you need to apply the bureaucratic system and in that sytem you will need to have an overall head. If not an overall head then you have a panel and in that panel you rule by iron fist of majority. That's exactly where EU is heading ... ouch!
If EU does not sign TTIP then EU needs to bow to Far East. Bow now!
Looks like you (join EU) are caught between the rock and a hard place.
Stay
Stay
Stay.
Leave
Stay
Leave but just for the make up sex with all the Italian laydeez when we renew our membership, grrrrrrowwwwlll.
🙂 in a Poll the Italians where almost 50% for leaving the EU, they might come with us !
Blimey one of the more astute OUT reasons has just been deleted - how very odd. It stood out in comparison with most.
Leave.
jambalaya - Member
in a Poll the Italians where almost 50% for leaving the EU, they might come with us !
to amerikay? 😆
spoilt ballot