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I suppose if it's any consolation, the public sector is about to see massive job losses regardless of who's in power. It's far too bloated, isn't delivering (not necessarily the fault of all the employees) and when the budget squeezes come the top management will do the same as the private sector. Instead of investing time and money to reduce costs through better working practices when times were good, they'll cut costs by just laying enough people to cover the budget shortfall. Sure beats the hell out of proper management.
Lanesra
khegs, are you my stw stalker?
No, I am. Why didn't you turn up at Newington Green for a hiding a month ago? You chickened out, you thought Azzbo Fred was going to be there.
BUK-BUK-BUKAWK!
Sure beats the hell out of proper management.
+1....
TJ, you're very wrong about off shore payments, try getting money "on shore" to "off shore" then back again.
You really should stop reading the morning star
I work in the private sector, we didn't get a payrise this year... although we made an increased profit out of customers who bought more of our product than they did last year despite the world economic conditions, and we decreased our overheads!
Just had a look at the deductions on my payslip - public sector pay freeze? Tough ****ing shite, welcome to the real world!
Tell you what, if you want a payrise, save ten percent off your budget and we (the taxpayer) will give you a five percent pay rise, sound fair?
Dont like it? Get a real job!
Get a real job!
Enlighten us all lovey, what exactly do you do?
...and how much do you get paid?
...and how long have you been doing said job?
...and how much training did it require?
...and how much responsibility does it involve?
Zulu - we have been saving 3% a year off budgets for years. "efficiency savings" Painful it has been as well. Reduction in skill mix ie less qualified nurses is the main result of this.
Azzbo fred, you mean that small dweeby fella called Aziz - Do me a ****ing favour 😆
Anyway the deal was at Tommy and Patsy's pub in Barnsbury and you never showed (surprise) 🙄 . I'm there every night pop in
Anyway the deal was at Tommy and Patsy's pub in Barnsbury
No it wasn't, it was 11am by the swings on Newington Green. If you can drag yourself off the barstool at a reasonable time tonight I can see you there tomorrow morning. Or are you scared?
🙄 How about now you can even bring your mates?
I'm a university lecturer and our local branch of the UCU voted in favour of accepting the pay offer of 0.5%. It makes sense given current economic conditions and the fact people are losing their jobs.
Unfortunately the govt. had to pump billions into the banks. The finance sector is huge in the UK, i don't think people realise just how important it is for the UK economy. Yes bits of it screwed up big time, but if they weren't bailed out we'd all be proper f***ed.
So, the govt spent the money, and now it needs to be paid back. Given the country sold its soul to the finance sector (both red and blue did that) it is completely unrealistic to get them pay it all back in the time period needed. This means stuff needs to be cut and salaries will be frozen.
What bothers me most about the 'public sector' debate is the huge number of generalisations made. The public sector employs around 10m people - that is a lot of sectors, a lot of organisations and a lot of jobs, so don't lump them all together.
And another thing, people in the public sector still go out and spend money. For places like the North East of England where the proportion of public sector jobs (health, DSS, education) is higher than elsewhere, pay freezes and job losses will have a big impact on the private sector. All of you thinking you couldn't care less about public job losses, think again, you job might ride on it.
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Ok, nae bother. I'm just up on Albion Road. What time will you be there? I'm going to bring my camera.
tinribz - for someone retiring now with 40yrs service in the civil service? 2/3rd of the highest annual salary of the last three years of service.
That's the premium scheme with higher contributions, most are on the classic with 1 80th of salary * per year served.
Based on UK average CS salary:
Salary - Years - Pension
20,000 - 10 - 2,500
20,000 - 20 - 5,000
20,000 - 30 - 7,500
20,000 - 40 - 10,000
2.5k after 10 years! Is that gold plated? This is closed now anyway new peeps have much worse.
Gonna look into the Premium one though 🙂
But you have to ask yourself in a country of sixty million, why i in 4 people need to work in the public sector. It's a disproportionate amount
Ha ha Albion Road, you might as well live in Essex- If you fancy popping down to Green Lanes though I know a nice little Turkish club we could meet at.
Anyway, as ever I've never hid - my mail's in the profile either man up or stfu
for 1% contributions i'd say that was pretty damn good.
you are right thought, the premium scheme is 3% contributions.
which is also pretty damn good for a higher return.
i've been looking at what I can buy now I'm no longer a civil servant and believe me, there is nothing comparable.
edit: based on your average salary of 20k, that is contributions of £200 a year. so in 10 years you put in £2000 and once you've retired get back £2500 a year for the rest of your life....i'd say that was pretty good...
But you have to ask yourself in a country of sixty million, why i in 4 people need to work in the public sector. It's a disproportionate amount
If you don't know why it is like that, how do you know it is disproportionate?
And it is more like 1 in 3 of the workforce.
Sorry, no sympathy here, I work in the private sector, nothing to do with banking and will not get a payrise this year, like i didn't last year either. I also do not have a contributary pension, nor to i have lots of holiday or sick pay.
Sorry, but I have no sympathy at all.
If you fancy popping down to Green Lanes though I know a nice little Turkish club we could meet at
I'm not into man on man nude wrestling FFS. I've just set up a fotopic account so I can show an absence of Lanesra at Newington Green on STW tonight. What are you afraid of? Come on, you're not at Patsy's sump tonight, so get on your bike and I'll see you in half an hour.
Or maybe you're scared.
Jambo - I pay far more than 1% contributions. 6% or 7% IIRC
around £2000 a year
Get a real job!
Enlighten us all lovey, what exactly do you do?
...and how much do you get paid?
...and how long have you been doing said job?
...and how much training did it require?
...and how much responsibility does it involve?
Ducked out from the awkward questions again?
Doesn't it make you wonder about the Tory's ability to make rational decisions when they announce to 1/4 (or 1/3) of the country's voters (not to mention all their dependants) voting for them will cost a pay cut?
Keep it up I say.
Are you two oafs really trying to sort out a fight?
wow, 2000 a year wow, wow
Context: to get a decent pension (say 14776.32) a private sector worker will have to have accumulated £400,000 in their money pot. (Male, 60, pension with RPI increases)
http://www.annuity-bureau.co.uk/AF_CMS/Resources/Annuity%20bureau/rates_rpi.html
I think the public sector really do need to stop talkng salary and start comparing overall lifetime package.
oh by the way my gf is a nurse 41 (forty one) days annual leave, nearly as much as an MP... or a teacher ....
Are you two oafs really trying to sort out a fight?
Don't worry, I think it's just a harmless bit of cottaging between 2 consenting adults.
**** yeah! But LANESRA CHICKEN BOY can't keep an assignation. He's too busy sitting at home alone pretending to sup at Patsy's dripping tap, when he could be fighting me by the swings at Newington Green. I'm going down in half an hour to take some photos. Of his absence...again...
gusamac - that includes public holidays of course - so it is 31 days plus 10 PH. she must have an old contract and long service to get that. Generous but not as generous as you make it sound.
28 days inc PH is the legal minimum
My £2000 pa for 40 yrs will get me a pension of around £15 000 pa - yes its a good deal. However given investing that money in a private pension would give a pretty decent pot.
gf is a nurse 41 (forty one) days annual leave
That's a lot. More than I've ever heard of in the Public Sector. Are you sure you've got that right, and you're not counting Bank Holidays etc?
So George tells it how it has to be while Crash Gordon and Darling wait until a week after the Labour conference to come up with the same concept. Why didn't they have the balls to stand up and say that last week?
Spineless ****ts.
Sorry, too slow for TJ!
I'm going down in half an hour
Oh dear. I was right then...
Where's Lanesra gone? I'll hop on the bike to see if he's getting ready by the swings...oooh the excitement is building!
Do public servants see themselves as a different class of person to the rest of us?
I work in the private sector, have done all my career. This year, no pay rise, big deal.
If you don't like it, change your career, but then you'll complain when your private sector employer doesn't give you a pay rise!
We're in this state quite simply because of the shortermism of the 80's and 90's, the lack of investment in good management in the public sector and the PFI strategy. Don't blame today's politicians..blame that ****ing witch whos grave I will be dancing on even though she wont be in it, she'll be out sucking the blood from young virgins.
Coat got, door slammed
Surely its all pretty much irrelevant. If they weren't given a freeze what would they get? 1%, 2% max I expect and as a public sector worker said on Newsnight earlier this week it is only for one year.
FWIW I agree with Stumpjons original comments that they should be paid better but there should be less of them. LAs are stuffed full of people doing pointless jobs and they should all go. And no new contracts should get a final salary pension but of course existing contracts have to be honoured. No way should newbies still be getting such pensions.
FWIW 2 I had a 10% cut this year. (and no bonus!!)
i'm not reading all those posts but november is looming can we have a whip round for some gunpowder and get rid of the lot of them left wing, right wing, red, blue, green.
Do public servants see themselves as a different class of person to the rest of us?
Yes, ones without company cars, annual or performance bonuses, no perks or company credit cards, inflation only pay rises even when times are good.
I work in the private sector, have done all my career. This year, no pay rise, big deal.
Probably not a big deal to you because you already earn more than you would in the public sector anyway.
If you don't like it, change your career, but then you'll complain when your private sector employer doesn't give you a pay rise!
Works both ways, feel free to join the CS doing a job as dull as ditch water for much less money.
45 minutes later, still no email from Dr Dolittle...If you're scared you can bring Aziz as well
I don't get why public servants moan. They're obviously not well qualified otherwise they would have gone into Banking/Law/Accounting/Proper Job etc etc..
Dave will complete Margaret's work when he smashes the rest of the Unions and the Public Sector joins the real world
I think DaveB's in need of help!
crikey - Member
Get a real job!Enlighten us all lovey, what exactly do you do?
...and how much do you get paid?
...and how long have you been doing said job?
...and how much training did it require?
...and how much responsibility does it involve?
Ducked out from the awkward questions again?
Not ducking, just our for a pint...
i) a trade relevant to this site
ii) under 25k, from which I took a 10k pay cut to work in this trade - If I can take a 10K pay cut to do a job I want to, you can accept a pay freeze to stay in the job you're in, or if you're not happy taking that, go and do something completely different instead
iii) 2 years, after a previous 12 year career, see, you can teach an old dog new tricks
iv) I'm one of only two people in the country trained to do my job, previous job one of only a few hundred in the UK with the licences to do the job and in permanent demand.
v) Multi million £ turnover with a slack handful of 6 figure clients who I handle the accounts for.
So,if you don't want to take the pay freeze, hand in your notice and walk!
and we're double figures percentage points ahead of budget
I don't get why public servants moan. They're obviously not well qualified otherwise they would have gone into Banking/Law/Accounting/Proper Job etc etc..
I know those dumb ass doctors what were they thinking of with all those amoral professions to join.
Doctors, are the reverse 1% though. Show me a doctor who earns less than £150k per annum
Or all those under qualified teachers, surveyors, accountants, lawyers, nurses, archaeologists etc, what were they thinking?
#Puts "Tramp the dirt down" on the stereo and sits in his self-satisfied guardian reading, trade union supporting smugness 😉
45 minutes later, still no email from Dr Dolittle..
That's because I turned up and you chickened out...again...
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Most GPs, junior doctors, or anyone not a senior consultant you mean?