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He apologised for saying that earlier DS, I'm sure he did.....
I'm looking forward to by day off next week. If security is also on strike they'll shut the place and we don't even lose a day's pay.
He apologised for saying that earlier DS, I'm sure he did.....
Fair enough, but I'm not reading all the krap between then and now to find out, anyway killfile (adult version) ensures my post will not offend anyone. 😛
Isn't that a problem in itself? Opinions tend to be based around what 'the public' perceive to be your typical 'public servant' with years of stereotyped bowler hatted numbskull imagery exacerbated by personal experiences with the bureaucratic death zone of local and national adminstrations. My experience is that I have encountered an equal number of muppets in both camps.How many of the general public, like myself, are basing their opinions on real life experiences in the hands of incompetent public workers?
There are a huge number of others who do a very fine job in the public sector who are rarely given any credit.
My experience is that I have encountered [b]an equal number of muppets in both camps.[/b]
I concur.
My heart goes out to that public sector worker who would'nt empty my bin this morning, because there was a tiny corner of a bin bag sticking out of the lid!
"Isn't that a problem in itself? Opinions tend to be based around what 'the public' perceive to be your typical 'public servant' with years of stereotyped bowler hatted numbskull imagery exacerbated by personal experiences with the bureaucratic death zone of local and national adminstrations. My experience is that I have encountered an equal number of muppets in both camps."
There are a huge number of others who do a very fine job in the public sector who are rarely given any credit.
Good point well made.
Its a shame the pensions in the public sector are beeing considered as a group. They are in fact very different. In fact renumeration as a whole is very different. NHS pensions were reviewed in 2008 and we increased our contributions then to avoid a pension deficit. Other pensions were not considered in this way (to my knowledge). That isnt to say a further review isnt warranted it clearly is but to lump apples and pears together in this way is a mistake in my view.
I support premise of protest on this issue. I feel it wrong to act in the manner the g'ment are doing. I'm not sure it will make a difference but its reasonable to demonstate the depth of feeling.
teachers was reviewed millcar. No risk of any open ended taxpayer liability
My heart goes out to that public sector worker who would'nt empty my bin this morning, because there was a tiny corner of a bin bag sticking out of the lid!
😯 A public sector worker empties your bins ?! (although obviously not this morning) ......whereabouts do you live ?
BTW, it won't get any better when it's finally privatised.....I can assure you.
Skimmed thru the middle parts.. But was looking at Andyps comments.. The one that Drac commented on, where was there an insult in that..? The "w in Wikipedia" part or "bless"? Someone had, I believe already patronised him by using the latter in response to one of his posts..
Anyways, I'm in a union, and I voted for the action. I work for the ambulance service and was having a bit of a crisis of conscience about actually striking. We're exempt from the action thankfully so I won't need to strike. Think nurses are the same? Seems like a sensible decision to me bearing in mind public opinion (phew)..
Not sure why you skimmed the important parts and picked on that one, you might want to go back and read some of the other stuff. Amongst the normal rants of lazy public sector workers go and get a proper job there's some good comments by both views.
. I work for the ambulance service and was having a bit of a crisis of conscience about actually striking. We're event from the action thankfully so I won't need to strike. Think nurses are the same? Seems like a sensible decision to me.
Where you read/hear that? From what I seen we're not.
I believe that UNISON has a nationwide emergency cover protocol :
It sounds as if there should better communications between the shop-floor and full-time officials/regional offices. It works both ways really.
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My heart goes out to that public sector worker who would'nt empty my bin this morning, because there was a tiny corner of a bin bag sticking out of the lid!Posted 1 hour ago # Report-Post
But he will have double the load next week, and will have lost days pay as well.
Perhaps you should remind him why he went on strike.
We do need better communication I'd I love the know where they'd find enough registered Paramedics to cover all parts of the country as it's just not possible.
I haven't heard anything definite either and neither had the union rep I spoke to yesterday.
It's was my understanding that the exemptions are negotiated at national level within the framework but [url= http://www.unison.org.uk/healthcare/pages_view.asp?did=13746 ]This Unison link[/url] only mentions negotiation regarding cover levels.
Cheers Woody, I'm back in tomorrow so need to brush up ready as my staff will ask.
Post to fix the bug.
neither had the union rep I spoke to yesterday
ffs, has your union rep been in contact with your full-time official/regional office ?
A phone call should have done it, I would have thought. Time for a new union rep maybe. Unfortunately it's not always easy to find someone to take on the thankless task.
Drac, tbh I thought it would just have deteriorated into the usual "debate" about whether or not we need unions etc.. I was a bit pressed for time and thought id just look at the last few pages to see how it developed.. I don't know what andyp and others had been saying earlier in the thread but I did read someone else using the term "bless" in a (what I took to be) patronising fashion.. I couldn't see what the issue was with the particular post you highlighted although I only read pages 1, then 3 onwards.. I'm only asking because I'd like to maker sure I don't tread on anyone's toes in a similar fashion.
Have spoken to my rep about it, he advised of the above, a phisio from a different hospital had told me yesterday that the nurses weren't having to withhold their services.. My rep did state he hadn't received any formal notice about the exact arrangements but that that was his understanding of our position. Apparently we'll not be attending non emergency calls tho.. I know you and I are in the same line of work. What's happening with yourselves then?
(edit) I really should figure out how to quote properly on here one of these days!
My heart goes out to that public sector worker who would'nt empty my bin this morning, because there was a tiny corner of a bin bag sticking out of the lid!
Was that a public sector worker or a private contractor working for local government?
What's happening with yourselves then?
I have no idea, I'll speak to my rep in the morning see if she knows anything as I'm supposed to be nights next week. I was around during the Ambulance dispute some 20 odd years ago it wasn't a nice time.
Ernie
I'll correct myself - it was actually a Branch Officer I spoke to (none of the shop stewards have heard anything). Probably best that I refrain from saying what I'm thinking on a public forum.
To give you some idea, I've just checked the union website on the intranet and the last update was on August 16th.
There was some information Woody can't remember where it was but it refereed to NEAS in particular and it was from both camps. I'll see if I can locate it tomorrow as it was a print off.
Yes and be careful on public forums you're never as anonymous as we'd like to think.
Bah. Letter from the school saying they'll be shut. It's going to be a complete nightmare having them both at home spoiling our nice quiet day when we normally only have one to look after between the two of us. They don't think of things like that do they?
I've heard stories about the last time there was a major dispute up here.. Apparently the buckets didn't need rattling very much and no one lost any wages as a result.. Hard to imagine that being the case..
I've read some comments colleagues have put up on Facebook and amazed at some of the things they say.. Mental.
Re my last post, Drac, do you not comment on moderating matters if asked? I am only asking. If this is the case I will stop asking!
I've heard stories about the last time there was a major dispute up here.. Apparently the buckets didn't need rattling very much and no one lost any wages as a result..
There was some huge support from the public and some hate but our role back then was a very different role and we it was not as busy by a long means as it is now. I heard claims of the not losing money to but there was also those that struggled.
Drac, do you not comment on moderating matters if asked? I am only asking. If this is the case I will stop asking!
We don't comment on the forums, we may answer via email but the comments I made to AndyP was not moderation. If people start insulting or rather as you pointed out being patronising when asked a reasonable question then they really need to stop posting in my opinion.
I must say I find it strange that its always dressed up as 'pensions'. I always thought the reason the public sector got a pension was to compensate for a lousy wage but noone ever seems to mention that. IME loads of people are able to quite public sector after 10-20 years experience and double or triple income by going private at which point the reduced pension is less relevant. Planning officers, DPP, research establishments etc etc. A mate of mine quit the DTi after 20 years and went to a bank and tripled his wage overnight. The only well paid people in public service IMO are doctors and they have always had governments under their thumb going back to 1940s.
I must say I find it strange that its always dressed up as 'pensions'. I always thought the reason the public sector got a pension was to compensate for a lousy wage but noone ever seems to mention that
Because it's about the pensions not the wages.
The point that hh45 is making is that the pensions are part of the remuneration which public sector workers get in the compensation they receive in exchange for the service they perform for their employers. This fact, as he correctly points out, is rarely mentioned.
IME loads of people are able to quite public sector after 10-20 years experience and double or triple income by going private
That's only a very small subset of public sector employees.
The point that hh45 is making is that the pensions are part of the remuneration which public sector workers get in the compensation they receive in exchange for the service they perform for their employers. This fact, as he correctly points out, is rarely mentioned.
It's mentioned a lot here at work. Essentially, the way that teachers pensions work, they're just deferred pay so what's being proposed is a massive pay cut.
Yep, employer contributions = deferred pay.
Not only is the proposed reduction effectively a wage cut, it is compounded by the switch from RPI to CPI, increased individual contributions, and having to work longer. That is above and beyond the pay freeze at a time when inflation is at 5%.
The point that hh45 is making is that the pensions are part of the remuneration which public sector workers get in the compensation they receive in exchange for the service they perform for their employers. This fact, as he correctly points out, is rarely mentioned.
It was a small compensation at one time yes but not a compensation as such just something to look at and so oh well least we have a good pension. That good pension is now under threat not the wages, they've been effected already, which is what were fighting for. I'm not on a bad wage these days but it took years to get there and only came about just to some Government reviews and those awful horrible trade unions fighting for the conditions.
Drac, fair Nuff. Ta for answering.. I don't agree with what Andyp was saying regarding unions and what point he had, wasn't put across very well.. Ie- just posting a link with a definition of what a union was.. I'm not in any way putting down the role you and others have on here.
I personally didn't find what he was saying that patronising or offensive, especially compared to some other posts made on this thread and others.. Having not seen any other posts from him after that I assumed there had been some "modding" going on but wasn't sure which is why I was asking.
Think we're working strictly to rule (kinda) but if asked to strike I'm not sure I would be comfortable with that. Not in the job as long as you and as much as I don't agree or think there's any need for Nhs pension reforms I just couldn't live with myself if something happened to someone due to my decision to strike. I wanted to do my job for a reason and not sure striking dovetails (just for elf) very well with that.
Certainly sounds like there's a lot of confusion out there around what's actually happening on the 30th..
Had a small message about it from a rep and it seems it will probably be work to rule, specifics to follow. Least in this area.
A seemingly disproportionate number of Ambo workers on here it seems, obviously not productive enough at work and/or too many days off... Privatise the lot of them I say, flippin' work shy glorified taxi drivers with first aid certificates! (couldn't do your job, bet you see some sights, etc etc...)
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Hahaha! 😀
I finished nights this am back tomorrow at 7am for 4 day shifts.
Bad luck, I'm back in on weds for two days, two nights. 😐
Yeah I'm spare this week and last so shitty shifts and owe one so paying that back.
I'll be working on the strike day.
Not because I don't agree with the strike, but because I'm rostered to work that day, just like I'm down to work every 3 weekends out of 4. Just like I'm down to work at Christmas, and those bank holidays that other folk get off as a matter of course. Just like I work 5 weeks of nights out of every 14 weeks.
Just like I have done for the past 25 years. Twenty five years. That's 25 years of experience, the experience that has, and will continue to save peoples lives.
I hate the ignorance that this country has bred into its people.
I'm rostered to work that day, just like I'm down to work every 3 weekends out of 4. Just like I'm down to work at Christmas, and those bank holidays that other folk get off as a matter of course. Just like I work 5 weeks of nights out of every 14 weeks.Just like I have done for the past 25 years. Twenty five years. That's 25 years of experience, the experience that has, and will continue to save peoples lives.
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Just like I work 5 weeks of nights out of every 14 weeks.
Cracking rota, well except I prefer nights so working less than 50% is worse than I get now.
Why is the little girl crying? Who has upset her?
Crikey, Blimey (!?) you say it like its a bad thing! Quite like my shifts actually, nothing better than finishing your last night shift on a Monday morning, heading home on what looks to be the beginning of a glorious day, knowing that after a lovely sleep in your comfy bed, whilst the 'normals' are slaving away, you've got the rest of the week off...
(Though there are downsides, I'll give you that. 25%s worth, to be fair!)
EDIT; hiya Elf, missed you! (waves)
[i]finishing your last night shift on a Monday morning, heading home on what looks to be the beginning of a glorious day, knowing that after a lovely sleep in your comfy bed, whilst the 'normals' are slaving away, you've got the rest of the week off...[/i]
Then starting on days on Tuesday morning, actually.
A pain if you're 20 odd, tedious if you're 30, when you're 55? or 60?
Whatever, it's you lot I'm looking after...