Wannabe Big Hitters
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Just remember op, there are some real, grade A, bell ends [s]on this forum[/s] in society.
will read some of the politics/argument threads just to see if there is a spread of opinion - not sure but sometimes think see posters with multiple names arguing with themselves just to keep things going? stuff is best ignored and hopefully when stuff like this appears - around post 4 in this thread do what the OP did and carry on - reasonable question with a full on tosser comment - can't moderate 100% but the ban hammer should be that ban.
[url] http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/importance-of-cadence [/url]
but sometimes think see posters with multiple names arguing with themselves just to keep things going?
I would love this to be true.
Oh no you wouldn't,
Yes I would
I tend to stay away from any thread that has 4-5 pages of comments these days as the original thought and intention of starting it has generally been so diluted or interfered with that there seems little point.
jamj1974 - MemberI'm sorry, bullying does happen. I'm not particularly susceptible to it - but it does happen.
Agree, but the form or manner of bullying that goes on in this forum is a byproduct of some of the rules and is strange. On other forums where anything goes in terms of language and all out personal abuse, the bullying is not so pointed or personal because it's typically more hyperbolic.
As for TJ, never had an issue with the way he writes. We agree on some stuff but disagree on a lot too. Fundamentally, I just have never seen the issue.
The issue is the incessant, persistent and borderline obsessive drilling down or digging in on certain points. And I say that fully conscious that I am prone to the exact same behavior.
As soon as you click on one of these threads....
You're in competition.
Bullying is rife on this forum and it's allowed to happen which basically means the owners/mods condone it. Take pleasure in it, even...
We've issued quite a few bans over recent weeks some quite lengthy ones so no we don't condone or take please in it.
I find it so amusing that some posters have a point of view that they won't be budged from and try so hard to sound clever in their arguements that they end up typing utter bloody nonsense.
Sometimes it is just a "listen to me! I'm more intelligent than you!" but that I guess is the definition of a pissing contest.
Another hilarious one was being told "make your mind up" when I asked a question and adjusted my opinion according to the answers. Superb that, eh Drac 😆
I like the idea of complaining about people being dogmatic by starting another thread after one is blocked to continue complaining about someone being dogmatic.
Superb that, eh Drac
I'd agree or disagree if I had the slightest idea what you were no about.
[quote=anagallis_arvensis ]I like the idea of complaining about people being [b]dogmatic[/b]
Well played 😆
tend to stay away from any thread that has 4-5 pages of comments
This. Only exception being the pics / what have you made threads.
I've been predominantly a lurker on here for a looong time and have seen peaks and troughs in the level of argumentativeness (sp?). Overall it seems to have got more lefty and professionally offended over time - probably reflects the mainstream of society. I do tend to come here after reading the news to soak up some contrary viewpoints.
There are some tedious, pedantic, abrasive so and so's too. To be honest i don't look at usernames that much but if i did i imagine i could identify some folk I wouldn't miss...
Nuance and tone is absent from these written threads (unless the author is a skilled writer) and it's too easy to get pulled into a contest with someone
I think this is a big part of it, certainly. You lose a lot of subtlety of language when you're communicating solely in text. Face to face you can throw an insult at a mate with a smile on your face and they know you're only teasing, in text you lose that nuance and folk can take it the wrong way, react badly and hey presto, we have an argument.
That said, there are those who seem to wilfully misinterpret things in order to argue or score Internet Points. I was accused of something a little while ago, and fair enough, the original question as posted could have been taken that way. I corrected what I'd said and explained several times over what I meant and why I was asking the question which [i]should[/i] have cleared things up, but I might as well have been talking to the wall.
Some people have long memories, and are more than happy to dredge up past grudges from discussions weeks or even years ago. Those who have been here a long time and who tend to be more active in the more... emotive discussions are carrying a lot of baggage. TJ still gets ribbed about helmets for instance, which stems from debates from like four years ago.
Some people just like a good [s]argument[/s] debate - a competitive debate even - and that's fine (I'm probably one of those people too). With a worthy foil it can be entertaining and educational, with others it can be an exercise in frustration.
Some people just like to provoke others and get a reaction - the very definition of a troll. We've at least one of them serving a month's ban currently for just that, and his next one will probably be a lifetime ban.
Some folk, a few of the old hand "big hitters," are very clever. They've been here a long old time and they know exactly what they can and can't get away with and have long since perfected the art of getting away with murder without doing anything that clearly breaks the rules. You guys, you're bastards to moderate. (-:
Some people, eh, they're just bloody stubborn, tenacious or belligerent. The particularly belligerent ones don't tend to last long; we've a few who just keep creating accounts for us to ban, if we don't spot them straight away then they always out themselves sooner or later because they just can't help themselves being unpleasant.
Whilst I'm wall-of-texting, woe betide you if you've got a Moderator tag next to your name. There's a couple of folk who have a hardon for taking cheap pot-shots at us simply because we're Moderators (there's a couple of relatively gentle ones on this thread even), and as I've said several times in the past 99% of the time we're using the forum as simple users just like everyone else. I accept that perhaps we should be "leading by example" but reject the notion that we should be censored exceptionally as a special case. I'd expect the rest of the team to pull me up if I step out of line (I actually once tried to ban myself when I realised I'd gone too far but the admin control panel won't allow it, so I self-banned and didn't post for a few days).
To be frank, I like the fact this forum isn't for the most part over zealously censored and difficult topics can be thrashed out with discourse, indifference, agreement and a bit of mischief.
Cheers. That's pretty much what we aim for.
Despite some claims to the contrary, we don't hand out bans lightly. The most common reason is probably for persistent behaviour (whether on a single thread or over a longer period of time) rather than for an isolated incident - we've asked you to stop doing something, you've carried on, you've left us with no other option. If you've accrued a number of warnings for the same thing then you'll get some time off, but being banned for an individual post is unusual.
I think this is a big part of it, certainly. You lose a lot of subtlety of language when you're communicating solely in text. Face to face you can throw an insult at a mate with a smile on your face and they know you're only teasing, in text you lose that nuance and folk can take it the wrong way, react badly and hey presto, we have an argument.
In person or on a page makes no odds to the crux of a disagreement. The whole purpose of teasing is to assert dominance, even if only in, or for, a moment, and is still little more than an attempt to deviate from the direction of discourse. Teasing is only the mildest sort of violence in a social situation, and violence is only ever the failure of reason. It's more a matter of getting away with teasing in person because people are less likely to confront it due to social etiquette or just plain old lack of confidence/assertiveness. The flip side of that, though, is that some people are more likely to apply aggressive strategy in written form, and remain obstinate to the point of being unreasonable, simply because they can - there's no real consequence. As somebody astutely pointed out earlier in this thread: there are no debates on STW, just posting of differing opinions. I doubt that many have the discipline for it; but that's not why most folk are here, is it?
And we're away. (-:
As somebody astutely pointed out earlier in this thread: there are no debates on STW, just posting of differing opinions.
I'm not sure as I'm convinced.
The recent dog threads, yes, I'd agree. That was a textbook example of a lot of people all believing they were right and not listening to a word anyone else was saying. To suggest that there are "no debates, just different opinions" though, well, I'd say that's unfair.
Though in STW tradition I'll ask, how are you defining a debate here? At what point does two people with different opinions exchanging views become a debate? Does one have to change their mind (rare but it happens)?
It's when things turn into a mass debate that I get worried! 😆
in text you lose that nuance and folk can take it the wrong way, react badly and hey presto, we have an argument.
Yes, the problem with alot of people on here is they're too uptight/take things too seriously.
Arguing/getting emotional/crying over out of control dogs or cadences on the internet. Get a grip!
scotroutes - Member
Folk who think that bullying on here is bad/common are just snowflakes.
I know ur trollin' but still.
[quote=davidtaylforth ]I know ur trollin' but still.
I'm surprised you noticed, it's not exactly an area of expertise for you.
<sigh> I have a feeling I might be required to add one of these on this thread 😉
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eh? are you suggesting my post was being rude/aggressive towards other forum users? I suggest you go back and re-read the thread and have a look at the context (and maybe bear in mind the comment you make about the thread )
No (although it does read a bit "you're either with us or against us")
Or are you disputing that it degenerated into a pissing contest over who could be more pedantically correct about VED?
Arguing/getting emotional/crying over out of control dogs or [b]cadences[/b]
I'd just like to point out I[i] [/i]wasn't [i]emotional[/i] over my reduction in natural cadence. However I will admit to being emotional to the words "mid pack no hoper" which in my view were unnecessary in the context of the thread.
[quote=thisisnotaspoon ]Or are you disputing that it degenerated into a pissing contest over who could be more pedantically correct about VED?
No, but I had nothing at all to do with that - if anything I attempted to deflect discussion away, which is why I'm somewhat confused why you picked out [b]my[/b] post. I'm wondering what it was about it which stood out for you.
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I'd just like to point out I wasn't emotional over my reduction in natural cadence. However I will admit to being emotional to the words "mid pack no hoper" which in my view were unnecessary in the context of the thread.
🙂 I agree
I agreeI'd just like to point out I wasn't emotional over my reduction in natural cadence. However I will admit to being emotional to the words "mid pack no hoper" which in my view were unnecessary in the context of the thread.
Now that I've read it so do I, and if anyone had thought to report it we could've done something about it at the time.
Stop being agreeable, it comes across very offensive David T 😉
Cougar, i didnt report it as i didnt feel it was insulting enough to warrant it. I felt responding myself was the best course of action.
But as i pointed out, i'd probably have been better off ignoring it.
Fourth post from a new user and completely unprovoked, yeah, I'd say that was worth reporting.
The recent dogs thread, yes, I'd agree. That was a textbook example.
Enough said..elephants and room spring quickly to mind.
Coug's comment about text being easily misconstrued is spot on I reckon. Krypton, the post that you objected too was a good example. Made me giggle at first, but could also see how you might have taken offence at it. Surely the poster was just ribbing you??
[opps crossed posts with the above...clearly not, ignore what I said]
As Coug's has also said in the past,, people come here for the bikes and stay for the BS. Amazing the level of sensitivity given the rough and tumble of our chosen pastime. But lose the banter and ribbing and you end up with a sterile place that will die a death like other forums before. There's not that much to discuss about bikes after all...
Surely the poster was just ribbing
That wasnt his response when I called him out though was it? And, if you look at his limited History you'll see he makes claim to be some sort of mentor/inspiration to teenagers, so why then in your 4th post revert your personality to try to character assasinate a helpless old man?*
*well, 45yo.
I didn't follow it further tbh - I had some coffee to clean up 😉
Surely the poster was just ribbing
That wasnt his response when I called him out though was it?
Yeah, I think that at least in part this goes back to what I was saying earlier about history. It's really not clear from that post whether it was intended as a harmless (if crap) joke, and with a new user we've absolutely no context in which to frame it. If I jokingly called a mate a cockwomble then they'd laugh or throw something equally rapier-witted back at me; if I did the same thing to a random stranger in the pub I'd get my head kicked in.
I think what I'm trying to say is, hiding behind "it's only banter" is only acceptable when both parties are in on the joke. Otherwise, it's not banter, it's being a cockwomble.
I didn't follow it further tbh - I had some coffee to clean up
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True, it made me smile only because at K's age I had become a little obsessed about things like cadence as a triathlete (bike and pool cadence) and it was away good for forumites (different forum) to burst the bubble (excuse me kryton) As you say, context is everything
with a [b]new[/b] user we've absolutely no context in which to frame it
smells like an alternate log in to me
smells like an alternate log in to me
Exactly my first thought, and I had a pretty high suspicion as to whom as well. However, they've registered with a work email address which pretty much tells us exactly who they are, so it would appear not.
We've issued quite a few bans over recent weeks some quite lengthy ones so no we don't condone or take please in it.
Well, that's me convinced. There's evidence on this very forum to suggest otherwise.
cockwomble - rapier witted
's a joke, right...?
But as we're being serious and open about these things - if you mods are so objective and just in your quest why is one of you deleting my posts and not other user's posts containing the same material? One of you knows what I'm referring to and, I suspect, takes glee in being anonymous in your actions. That is a form of bullying.
And all this "bitter from days gone by " shit you keep posting, Cougar. Why is it wrong for folk to remember mistreatment. I myself feel bitter (but strangely relieved) by having a very personal post removed from Oldnpastit's suicidal son thread. "Tasteless" is what my post was described as despite it being obvious I was expressing a very difficult feeling on a rather tough subject and wanted to offer more than just platitudes to someone struggling to understand why their son would do such a thing. Whoever that was didn't think it through before deleting, though I believe it was more personal in as much as I don't feel as if folk like me on this forum, particularly the in-crowd. I reckon folk think I'm an old user come back to haunt them or something... 🙂
I'm intrigued by this teasel as this isn't the first time you've brought it up. What have you had moderated that others haven't and was the reasoning for doing so explained to you? I've not had any warnings or bans, so I'm genuinely curious as to what the process is. Also wondering as to why you feel you're getting special treatment
Because he is special.
118 posts deleted for the word **** alone without the variants you've used in the past Teasel.
As we're being open, Teasel thinks it's Ok to call other forum users a dickhead not sure why he then claims we're bullying him.
Was that *, * or ****, though?
Asking for a friend. 😉
Good job!Drac - Moderator
118 posts deleted for the word **** alone without the variants you've used in the past Teasel.
davidtaylforth - Memberscotroutes - Member
Folk who think that bullying on here is bad/common are just snowflakes.
I know ur trollin' but still.
I don't know whether to take that as a compliment or an admonishment.
One toaster, lightly soiled. Any offers?
Teasel thinks it's Ok to call other forum users a dickhead
I still think Project (Paul) was being a dickhead on that thread. That's hardly bullying. Bullying would be if I turned up on every thread and harassed him or called him names. Besides, it was deemed I was too specific and not general in my use of that word; calling a forum of folk a dickhead is acceptable, singling out an individual isn't. Fine, I get it.
118 posts deleted
If that is supposed to mean I've had that many deleted then you're tripping. Dude.
What have you had moderated that others haven't and was the reasoning for doing so explained to you?
I'm not falling for that one! 🙂
But seriously, winky but trade the I for an A - it was used on a thread recently and very obvious it was deleted when I used it but not when Boblo, I think, used it. Similar thing on a different thread. I even joked I would be suspicious if Boblo's post in question wasn't pulled or edited.
Other than the post I mentioned from Oldnpastit's thread and one or two others I've not had any notification of why my stuff is not allowed but others are free to post the same.
Good job!
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But as above, I think that's far from the real figure but I don't really go back and view a lot of my posts so probably wouldn't know for sure.
Drac » As we're being open
With that in mind, are you then one hounding me/deleting my posts...?
I still think Project (Paul) was being a dickhead on that thread. That's hardly bullying. Bullying would be if I turned up on every thread and harassed him or called him names.
Sigh!
I didn't mention bullying.
If that is supposed to mean I've had that many deleted then you're tripping. Dude.
Errrrr! No, it wasn't.
