[Closed] PSA: iPhone 5 Annoucement Today

Having also read a review on the latest Macbooks, which you can't even upgrade the RAM beyond 2gigs without ripping the thing down to its component parts It makes me wonder what they're playing at.
What review was that?

Numbers are wrong but this is the one where the RAM is soldered in and the battery is bonded to the case and the Al Case is bonded to the glass screen in a way that makes it un recyclable and tough to maintain.

Just like in the iPhone 4/4S (and the MacBook Air), proprietary Pentalobe screws prevent folks from accessing the machine’s internals. That means you need a special screwdriver just to remove the bottom cover.
As in the MacBook Air, the RAM is soldered to the logic board. Max out at 16GB now, or forever hold your peace—you can’t upgrade.
The proprietary SSD isn’t upgradeable either (yet), as it is similar but not identical to the one in the Air. It is a separate daughtercard, and we’re hopeful we can offer an upgrade in the near future.
The lithium-polymer battery is glued rather than screwed into the case, which increases the chances that it’ll break during disassembly. The battery also covers the trackpad cable, which tremendously increases the chance that a user will shear the cable in the battery removal process.
The display assembly is completely fused, and there’s no glass protecting it. If anything ever fails inside the display, you will need to replace the entire (extremely expensive) assembly.

I took the back off my 2012 pro and upgraded easy enough. It was just a small torx driver.

Do you really need anymore than 4GB ram let alone 16gb?

Apple are pretty damn good with their warranty and out of warranty after care. They have always sorted me out in store on the day.

There are two separate things:

1. The amount of RAM
2. The user serviceability

Item 1, the OP was just mistaken.
Item 2, clearly a problem for people who like to mess about with the guts of their computers.

I took the back off my 2012 pro and upgraded easy enough. It was just a small torx driver.

Do you really need anymore than 4GB ram let alone 16gb?

Apple are pretty damn good with their warranty and out of warranty after care. They have always sorted me out in store on the day.

Plenty of people need more than 4gb of ram easy to eat that up on photos and video etc.

I'd have 16gb when it gets a bit cheaper but then in my PC or laptop I can just swap it when I need to.

There are two separate things:

1. The amount of RAM
2. The user serviceability

Item 1, the OP was just mistaken.
Item 2, clearly a problem for people who like to mess about with the guts of their computers.

Just get a new one though and toss the old one into a landfill as it can't be properly recycled.

Numbers are wrong but this is the one where the RAM is soldered in and the battery is bonded to the case and the Al Case is bonded to the glass screen in a way that makes it un recyclable and tough to maintain.

Thing is, in order to get thickness down to the absolute minimum, several manufacturers are resorting to these kind of engineering tricks. Something we will see more and more with the emergence of the Ultrabook market.

The latest Asus Zen Book Prime has a sealed case, making the memory, SSD and battery non-user replaceable. This is not a isolated case, and I think is going to become the norm...much to the chagrin of memory manufacturers.

http://www.tomshardware.com/news/ultrabook-notebook-chip-semiconductor-dram,14031.html

Do you really need anymore than 4GB ram let alone 16gb?

My mrs has an ultrabook and you can't even get the damn thing open.

The problem is we all want thinner and lighter but don't want the issues that come with it.

The 15" non retina is upgradable just fine.

Having also read a review on the latest Macbooks, which you can't even upgrade the RAM beyond 2gigs without ripping the thing down to its component parts

And yet my iMac has a little cover on the bottom specifically so you can add extra RAM very easily. I bought 8gb for £45 and slotted it in next to the OE 4gb in seconds.

Apple = innercity/town centre college cool.
Or those wanting something that they flash/show hoping their friends think they are 'in'.

Utter utter pish. Please engage brain before opening mouth.

For everyone else its the content of the product FIRST.

Correct. Which is why I've had iPhones for 3.5 years.

Whoop just preordered a 32GB black

I like the new phone's features, there is now nothing in it between all the manufacturers flagship phones....pick one you like from the Galaxy S3, HTC One series, iPhone, new Lumia etc and they'll all do the same thing and to a high standard....the winners are us the consumers.

However, what irks me about Apple as a company is the marketing and advertising, the use of supposedly cool names for technology that is/was already in existence and often on other phones...but Apple give it the title 'retina display' for example and everybody gushes over how awesome it is....it is a backlit LCD screen made by LG with a high pixel count...thats all, its not new technology, its not some incredible creation by Apple that the others cant figure out....same with their processors...the 'A6 chip'....what does that mean?...is it dual core?....what speed is it?....what is the manufacturing process?...is it 40nm like the 4S?, in which case its out of date already and will suck battery life especially on 4G or is it now built on a 28nm process like most 2012 chips?....in which case, cool i'll take one cheers.

I know a lot of that tech stuff isnt important to the casual user but i like to know the spec of the device i'm buying, everybody else seems up front about their specs....lists the hardware in plain english, not Apple....with Apple you get meaningless terms like 'retina display'...i find it infuriating, particularly when some cretin at work asks if my phone has a retine display and i then have to explain that there is no such thing and the screen on his iPhone is an LCD screen....pedant?....yes i suppose i am.

Mosey, where at please?

I would imagine [url= http://store.apple.com/uk/browse/home/shop_iphone/family/iphone ]here[/url].

I did it on the iPad app as the store was down.

I did it on the iPad app as the store was down.

Heh....Steve Jobs is looking down with pride 8)

I was up that Lunnon day before yesterday, went to Park Royal, then got taken to this bike shop I was visiting, then somehow wandering around looking for one of those Underground things to get back to sanity I blundered into that Regent Street and an Apple store, so given it was the glorious twelfth, thought I'd see if I could catch a glance..

Not a chance, the place was full of foreign students, every machine occupied in face time foreign gibberish with some similar twerp at the other end, and or gamers locked into some global apple gaming store contest, one wonders how Apple do manage to sell anything.

No sign of that iphone 5, anyway if you just edit your sign off you can save the cash thus..

Sent from my iphone 5

Car phone warehouse have prices for 02 and orange for new and upgrades.

Might wander down there in a bit as o2 themselves don't seem to know anything.

Have 16 in my MBP and would certainly use 32 if it was available.

My Windows PC can take 32GB 🙂

As can an iMac.

Stop comparing Apples to...erm..oranges.

My Windows PC can take 32GB

How big is your penis though?

anyone else laugh at the email that went out today ?

"Pre-order your iphone 5. iphone 5 , the biggest thing to happen to the iphone since the iphone"

id strongly disagree with that statement , talk about overinflating your own trumpet.

I would quite like 16GB though, I would like to run VMs with preconfigured software environments for work purposes, but with "only" 8GB you end up with two 4GB machines which isn't enough for the environments really.

We being ripped off again,
U.S.prices;
16GB $199/£123.54

32GB $299/£185.62

64GB $399/£247.70

U.K. prices are £529, £599 & £699

Plus that email went out after the first batch had sold out.

Are there any issues with getting one from the US? Are those prices not with a contract?!

We being ripped off again,
U.S.prices;
16GB $199/£123.54

32GB $299/£185.62

64GB $399/£247.70

U.K. prices are £529, £599 & £699

You realise you are comparing US prices when bought with an expensive and restrictive 2 year contract to UK prices for no-contract sim-free?

We being ripped off again,
U.S.prices;
16GB $199/£123.54

32GB $299/£185.62

64GB $399/£247.70

U.K. prices are £529, £599 & £699

[url= http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/psa-iphone-5-annoucement-today/page/6?replies=346#post-4169153 ]Not this again.[/url] The US prices are for the phone WITH a 2 year contract. The UK prices are for SIM FREE phones.

Also, directly comparing US to UK prices on anything is risky, as there are so many variables like sales tax etc.

We being ripped off again,

No you're not. There's no obligation to buy one!

"the biggest thing to happen to the iphone since the iphone"

id strongly disagree with that statement

I'd say the jump from 3GS to 4 was slightly bigger, because of the huge difference that Retina display made. But this one has to be a close second, no?

No didn't know that, so there're cheaper on an upgrade with your existing provider?

Judging by the response to this topic, apple's iphone is still the market leader by some way. Can you imagine all these replies to a new HTC or Samsung.

No didn't know that, so there're cheaper on an upgrade with your existing provider?

Same as any other mobile really - you pay less upfront if you buy it with a contract, but you will probably end up paying more overall (unless you are very careful with tweaking your tariff).

Can you imagine all these replies to a new HTC or Samsung.

I certainly can't imagine so many iPhone fans showing up to say how rubbish the new HTC/Samsung is 😀

I quite like the S3. My brothers got one as a work phone, and it's got a lovely, albeit mahoosive, screen.

Can you imagine all these replies to a new Trek or Cannondale[s]HTC or Samsung[/s].

😉

I quite like the S3

Yep, it's a really nice bit of kit.

As I said earlier, if I hadn't already drunk the Appley-flavour Kool-Aid then I'd have a much harder choice to make these days.

II thought only Apple had fans, Samsung/HTC just have users?

[IMG] [/IMG]

I certainly can't imagine so many iPhone fans showing up to say how rubbish the new HTC/Samsung is

No-one's saying the iPhone is rubbish, we're saying it's a nice new version but not a revolutionary omg amazing moment, and we are taking the mick out of people who do seem to think that 🙂

Just as a heads up to those [url= http://singletrackworld.com/forum/topic/sim-only-phone-deals-3 ]buying sim free.[/url] The new 5 needs a nano, and not a micro, sim.

it sounds like you'd have to get the SIM cut down to size for the 5

I don't think this will work, as it did with original sim > micro sim. As the actual chip on the nano sim is smaller.

I am surprised this bit of news has flown under the radar. I guess mainly as Apple [url= http://www.techradar.com/news/phone-and-communications/mobile-phones/apple-iphone-5-confirmed-to-use-nanosim-1096718 ]neglected to mention it[/url].

[img] [/img]

shipping times now slipped to 2 weeks for unlocked from the apple store

2 hours in,

4S took 22 hours to sell out...........

No-one's saying the iPhone is rubbish

Have you actually read the thread? 😀

it's a nice new version but not a revolutionary omg amazing moment

Actually that's pretty much what the iPhone users have been saying.
I don't think anyone has needed a Kleenex yet, as mikewsmith suggested we might. 😆

for those weighing up the S3 v iPhone 5 upgrade debate like me. The S3 doesn't currently have 4g compatibility. A new version is due out soon, but it opens up the can of worms of data allowances. will your all you can eat data be eligible for both 3g and 4g? I doubt it...

Funny as it may seem I think one of the biggest differentiators for people without previous ties considering an S3 versus 5 will be their respective sizes.

Some will choose the S3 for the larger screen, some will prefer the 5 for the smaller, lighter design.

I think the ability of apps like iPlayer etc to download shows on wifi to watch later mean for me the S3s larger screen makes it more appealing.

we're saying it's a nice new version but not a revolutionary omg amazing moment, and we are taking the mick out of people who do seem to think that

Can you quote one post where anyone is actually saying that?

Deviant was talking about the Retina display not being anything special. It's just a high res LG lcd.

But that completely misses the innovation.
Firstly, nobody else asked LG to make one. That's because you can't just bung a high res screen on a phone and instantly benefit.

Apple's cleverness is in the entire system of app development and communication with app makers/publishers.
The fact that it developed a new OS in tandem with the new hardware and chose an exactly 4x resolution multiplier all lead to it instantly taking advantage of the new screen.

Everyone's known for years that sooner or later we were going to have to move away from pixels being the defining measurement of screens and software, but it's taken Apple to actually launch it on Mac. Everyone else will follow suit, but they were waiting for someone to show them how.
That's why the Nexus tablet has gained so much traction - because finally, the hardware and software were developed in tandem, allowing them to produce something that feels 'definitive'.

I think the ability of apps like iPlayer etc to download shows on wifi to watch later mean for me the S3s larger screen makes it more appealing.

Erm... the Android version of iPlayer doesn't let you do that. (Yet?) 😕

Okay, maybe not EVERY iPhone user is terribly bright...

Well that was easy. Text from O2 inviting me to upgrade, 5 mins later one on pre-order for next Friday.

yup me too, next friday for me, new gadget, fed up with this crap ive been tiding myself over with since selling the 4s

Text from O2 inviting me to upgrade

at what price?

android iplayer downloads are coming very soon. (and there are already ways of doing it)

Well that was easy. Text from [s]O2[/s] Orange inviting me to upgrade, 5 mins later one on pre-order for next Friday.

Same here - but with Orange.

all these phone companies inviting everyone to get a new phone, how nice, i take it they're free then? jus the monthly charge, or are they 'inviting' you to spend 200 quid to get the phone?

£80 upfront and then £36 per month on '3' with unlimited data plan....not bad at all for a new release.

I'm due an upgrade next month will take a look at the iphone 5 among other options the hype is a bit OTT!

£80 upfront and then £36 per month on '3' with unlimited data plan....not bad at all for a new release.

24 month? £944 over the life, about on point

however in a year when a new model is released you will be mid contract

[img] [/img]

Monthly cost went down, data went up. Phone was free.

No brainer really.

the hype is a bit OTT!

To be honest, the reaction to this release has been one of the most muted I have seen. It was all fairly underwhelming.

To be honest, the reaction to this release has been one of the most muted I have seen. It was all fairly underwhelming.

People have already begun queueing outside Apple stores worldwide,just to be able to get a product slightly quicker than others.

http://tech2.in.com/news/smartphones/queues-form-outside-apple-stores-in-anticipation-of-iphone-5/440992

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-19617008

It's not on sale until Friday. What a complete and utter waste of time (other than the charity thing which I suppose is a worthy cause), just to be able to say you've got something fractionally quicker than others. Pathetic. Just goes to show how much some people allow themselves to be brainwashed by marketing.

I remember the furore a few years back, when a games console was launched. Stores selling out, people fighting in shops, utter chaos. and later it was revealed that there were huge stocks sitting in warehouses; the stores and manufacturers had deliberately stimulated interest, held back stocks to increase demand, and guaranteed more sales through taking pre-orders. Loads of free media publicity generated, all very clever. And people fall for it. Idiots.

Looking at those total cost figures, I now feel quite pleased that my 'undesirable and not as good' non-iphone will cost me just£180 over two years, and give me pretty much most if not all the 'benefits' of the latest flashy must-have branded product. Best of all, my life will go on exactly as it would if I did buy an iphone.

Steve Jobs must be laughing in his grave.

Looking at those total cost figures, I now feel quite pleased that my 'undesirable and not as good' non-iphone will cost me just£180 over two years, and give me pretty much most if not all the 'benefits' of the latest flashy must-have branded product. Best of all, my life will go on exactly as it would if I did buy an iphone.

Dear god man, grow up. Are you really so insecure that you have to make yourself feel good about your own decisions by sneering at others?

No, just pleased that I have the 'benefit' of something without the exorbitant over-inflated price, is all. People are free to make their own choices, but at least try to inform yourself sufficiently, rather than be seduced by myths. I'm sure there are a few people for whom the iphone is the perfect tool, but I suspect that most of us would be fine with a simple no-frills phone. I concede that the one i have is mostly a toy; I don't actually need it beyond a simple communication device, and even then I suppose Icould live without it, as we all did before mobile phones were available.

I find the psychology behind the 'need' for such things fascinating. And the fact that such enormous profits are to be made simply by tapping into people's subconcious need to be part of a group, to be 'accepted' in society. This is how religion works, after all. Consumerism has replaced religion pretty much, which is perhaps why some nations/societies are reacting against what they see as 'decadence'. Consumerism seems to be the one global faith though, and I can't see it being stopped.

Grum; you seem somewhat angry, almost. Are you an iphone user? Will you be buying the latest version?

(Plus I thought sneering at others in order to feel better about yourself was obligatory behaviour on this forum, given the amount of behaviour of that type on here))

manufacturers had deliberately stimulated interest, held back stocks to increase demand,

Loads of companies do it, and have been for many years. Benefits are that you never have to discount and the 'exclusivity' creates publicity, free advertising and demand.
Shimano (Yes, the same Shimano) used to do it with fishing tackle. 20 years ago.

There's only one catch:
Your product HAS to be worth the wait. People don't queue for stuff that's not nice to get.

Grum; you seem somewhat angry, almost. Are you an iphone user? Will you be buying the latest version?

I'm not buying the latest iPhone - for me it seems like too much money. I don't feel the need to smugly go on about how my decision-making is so much better than people who have chosen to get one though.

I'm not remotely angry - but I am very sick of people on this forum constantly self-aggrandising and looking down their noses at other people who make different choices to them.

It's especially ridiculous for someone who uses Macs (as do I) - I don't know if you are aware but lots of people would consider you to be a victim of marketing hype and consumerist 'need' for using Macs at all, but presumably you think that doesn't apply to you, only to people who want the latest iPhone?

I suspect that most of us would be fine with a simple no-frills phone.

Most of us would be fine without any mobile phone at all - what's your point exactly?

No, just pleased that I have the 'benefit' of something without the exorbitant over-inflated price, is all.

There will be people on here in a few days time equally smug at their new phones. They will be equally happy with their own decision and you will find their comments as objectionable as they do yours.

Are you an iphone user? Will you be buying the latest version?

Personally, yes and yes.

I buy one every 2 years, skipping a generation.
I don't really 'do' designer labels.
I don't buy expensive new things often, and when I do, I look after them carefully.
I have 3 weaknesses.
Oakley: I've had 4 pairs of their sunnies in my life, in over 20 years, and I'm now wearing prescription Oakley glasses every day, which cost little more than 'Buy one get one free' from Specsavers.
Ducati: I've had 2 Ducatis. One new, one used. I will have another.
Apple: This will be my 4th Apple product (3 phones, 1 iMac)

I've said it before, sometimes I'm embarrassed to own an iPhone. There's so many fekkin eejits on both sides of the argument it's untrue. But I work long hours, I've been working away from home for 18 months, and I've [u]saved up[/u] the money to buy my iMac and iPhone as a reward to myself, a reason to work if you like. If I want an Apple product because, if nothing more, it makes me happy, then I'll go buy one. I've waited (Out of contract) for 6 months for the iP5 to be launched, and I'll get one ASAP. I don't really give a flying toss what anyone else thinks. 🙂

I'm not remotely angry - but I am very sick of people on this forum constantly self-aggrandising and looking down their noses at other people who make different choices to them.

Agreed, well put.

I'm not remotely angry - but I am very sick of people on this forum constantly self-aggrandising and looking down their noses at other people who make different choices to them.

Forgive me; your comment came across as somewhat angry. I'm sure you can appreciate that. You are mistaken for thinking that I'm 'self-aggrandising' though. i'd just ratherpeople could see through the hype and bullshit. Because it would decrease demand, and lead to cheaper products for all of us.

It's especially ridiculous for someone who uses Macs (as do I) - I don't know if you are aware but lots of people would consider you to be a victim of marketing hype and consumerist 'need' for using Macs at all, but presumably you think that doesn't apply to you, only to people who want the latest iPhone?

I've mentioned before that I use Macs, as well as windows PCs. I much prefer the way Macs work, and am willing to pay the premim over PCs. i find the build quality of Macs to be better than that of even equivalently priced PCs. So I actually think Macs are better value for me. This is what influences my buying decision, not the brand. I don't think this is the case with iphones, and indeed ipods. there are many music players which out-perform ipods for the same price, yet ipods are the most popular. I used the iphone 3 to illustrate my point that an 'inferior' phone to my Samsung costs at least more than twice as much per month, than my phone does. i can find no reason for this other than the popularioty of the Aplle brand, and it's desirability which seems to be based purely on mythical, rarther than actual benefits.

I suspect that most of us would be fine with a simple no-frills phone.
Most of us would be fine without any mobile phone at all - what's your point exactly?

We'd all be fine with a cheap digital watch, but aRolex etc is a nice thing to have. No problem with people wanting something because it's nice, but when people try to justify their decisons with things that plainly aren't true, then they should expect to be challenged. If someone says a Rolex/etc is more accurate than a cheap digital, when it isn't, then they should expect tobe challenged, no?

Being smug in your own decision is not an attractive quality; No matter how happy you are with your own decision.

i'm not particularly 'smug', just bemused that people are so easily seduced by marketing hype.

Ordered my iPhone 5 at the weekend from Three Mobile.

£89 upfront for the 32gb
£37 a month
500 minutes
5000 texts
Unlimited downloads

I dont use the 300 minutes on my current contract and I cant believe anyone actually sends 5000 texts a month do they?

I think thats a pretty good deal. My iPhone 4 is on its last legs too so makes sense to me.

Well I have been an iPhone user for a few years now on a business contract. Unfortunately o2 are offering a really crap product now - half the data usage in the bundle than consumers get and not particularly cheap to get a new phone (even though I am out of contract, but it is on a linked account with someone that IS in contract.

So I went to look at the Samsung Twiddle S3 Mk2 Injection Supersport. Very nice, lovely size, nice screen etc.

But can I really be bothered with the hassle that would come with changing? I just know that if I get a new iPhone it will be a simple task of loading my account onto it from my Cloud backup and everything will just be there, working.

Hmmm....

Wait a week or two...

The S3 deals will suddenly pop up..

The S3 deals will suddenly pop up..

Why would that be?

Cashback deals starting to appear.....

Cashback deals starting to appear.....

Only on contracts though and I still can't find one cheaper than buying outright, and the only place you can get SIM free is Apple, presently....

So, who has theirs then? Just set mine up and well pleased. Not a very in depth review I appreciate that, busy, busy, busy. 😀

EDIT - sorry, just noticed other thread.

**cough**

I have one

**cough**

Nice actually. VERY light. Spookily so in fact IMO. Looks veeeeery niiiiice.

Set up was a doodle, everything transferred with no fuss at all. Liking the new look of the App store, not tried Siri yet. Maps not as bad as the hype suggests. Deffo faster. Camera LOTS faster. New headphones very good indeed (Not as though it was hard to improve on the old ones) and so far so good on my new network - Three - The 3G is noticeably faster than O2.

I'm happy, but broke!

Well I think I missed the delivery of mine 🙁
Not sure though because I dropped my iPhone 4 a few days ago and it broke, so I can't get text messages to find out when it is sent out.

Bummer on both counts.

Set up was a doodle

Ohh, my Youtube app didn't copy over for some reason, so I downloaded it again, and that looks like an iOS/iP5 specific app now. Different....

Full screen browsing is nice, as is the panorama mode in camera.

Miles better than my old 4