[Closed] Prometheus

I'm taking this thread as a discussion/spoiler zone.

Rexated - Your lady could be right on the hair dye thing

Wayland's feet and the abilities of Shaw who is originally on a dig team but seems to be doctor/expert of everything still upsets me.

So we think that they never came back to earth because god dropped by and and booked his son in for a bit of babysitting 2k years ago. That will be why Shaw puts her cross back on. Good, glad we reached the root of it early 😆

saw it yesterday,

i think people need to remember about Davids constant mentioning Human and him as a ROBOT - that might shed some light on their attitude towards us - face it, look at the attitude towards David from us Humans , and we created David, so we end up doing and saying anything to 'him' that we like and treat him like an object. The Engineers did the same to us when they awoke, they created us from 1 of them + the goo, and realising that we had managed to get there and wake them up was more of a 'look at all these GeneticModed things around!'

i think the whole 'reason behind why they created us' was missed out on purpose, David clearly asking the question at the end, so to better promote a sequel - and in the end , leaving it open to us to decide, after all if we think there is a GOD out there , why did he create us is one of the biggest questions of all.

I'm still undecided/unclear about various other points, like :
- were the Engineers on their way back to Earth before "an accident" and what accident that was they were running from??
- why did the Engineers leave markers on earth in civilisations to take us to a place with this 'goo of aliens',
-if its the same place thats found in ALIEN and ALIENS why is there no wreckage of the other ship, the lifepods, the body of Weyland and others
- if its the same place as ALIEN and ALIENS, why was it so different in terms of Canisters of Goo and BIG HUMAN FACE, when in ALIEN/S it was Eggs and no HUMAN FACE.
- the chest busted jockey was in fact not in his seat, unlike how it was found in ALIEN
- the ALIEN at the end of the movie, was that a 'new' ALIEN as a mate of ENGINEERS DNA and the SNAKEY GOO THING - ? it could not be in my mind, because on the wall of the big HUMAN FACE was the outline of the mother Alien, and 1 Alien egg in green underneath it....

it suggests to me Ridley has other ideas that are not yet explained, and perhaps can only be in a sequel.

EDIT: the point about the goo being put into the guy by David seems to be that it was an experiment issued by Wayland, although i get that, its not a great way to perform an experiment in reality as you have no control over anything! plus was the 'baby alien' a by product of this or did David/Waylan actually know that could take place? if not, it was a bit of a reach to think the entire race if ALIEN was created by that 1.4 mins of shaggin?

edit: and for a final huge big plot hole....

the SJ's are running around their own site with big helmets on (they found one with it on at the start of the movie) and yet when woken up from his sleep, he didnt have one, ah yes you say, because he's in a chamber that has air and doesnt need it right....but he then leaves that with no helmet walks across the planet with no breathable air to the escape pod to try and kill the last remaining survivor (why he does that i dont know) with NO HELMET ON.... hmmmm (and then get alien'd)

Saw it last night in 2D, thought it was pretty enough and a watchable film.

SheeZ! My head hurts! No-one just go to the flicks to be entertained anymore???

-if its the same place thats found in ALIEN and ALIENS why is there no wreckage of the other ship, the lifepods, the body of Weyland and others
- if its the same place as ALIEN and ALIENS, why was it so different in terms of Canisters of Goo and BIG HUMAN FACE, when in ALIEN/S it was Eggs and no HUMAN FACE.
- the chest busted jockey was in fact not in his seat, unlike how it was found in ALIEN
- the ALIEN at the end of the movie, was that a 'new' ALIEN as a mate of ENGINEERS DNA and the SNAKEY GOO THING - ? it could not be in my mind, because on the wall of the big HUMAN FACE was the outline of the mother Alien, and 1 Alien egg in green underneath it....

for all of the 1st three point - its not - In Prometheus its a different planet (infact a moon) and a completely different scenario. The wife and others we went with though the same - untill i pointed out this. The space jockey ship found in alien was found purely by chance (although we assume that Wayland corp was activly seeking singnals as well), and i suspect was a diffenet class, being an egg carrier.

as for you last point - some of the aliens in the other films have different biology's..... eg, the alien in Alien 3 was a dog mix (ran around on all fours, ripley mentions that this one is 'new and different' at some point in the film). Then there's also predator / alien mix.

What about the first scene - how did that tie in?

Oh and I'm not a big fan of the bandage for underwear look- much preferred sigourneys briefs 😀

What about the first scene - how did that tie in?

hmmm so different planets, kinda makes me wonder if at the end of Prometh., when the David and Shaw head out , do they actually make it, or are THEY the ones we find crashed at the beginning of Alien, and perhaps thats because there is that 'new' Alien on board that we see born out of the SJ? or perhaps, the 'new' Alien causes a lot of SJ in there ships to depart the Prometh. planet and one crashes on LV426 for Alien to find.

it does open up a whole new plotline to tie in Prometh. and Alien together now if they are on 2 different planets.

hey, what about the timeline now then? was Prometh set well before Alien?
it still also doesnt explain the holographic images of the SJ's running away and one getting its head chopped off, which, incidentally, was dated at 2000 years ago (any significance in that!?)

Just seen it and really enjoyed it. Going off on a different tangent how hot is Charlize Theron 😀

Thought the Alien bit at the end wasn't needed and I am sure there will be a directors cut where Ridley fleshes out some of the other characters.

still also doesnt explain the holographic images of the SJ's running away and one getting its head chopped off, which, incidentally, was dated at 2000 years ago (any significance in that!?)

Thought the Alien bit at the end wasn't needed

[b]MAJOR SPOILER ALERT & ALSO SOURCE CODE SPOILER[/b]

Stop reading this if you don't want the ending spoilt...

I really hoped the movie credits were going to roll when the ship crashed onto Shaw... abit like when they should've ended source code but tacked on a happy ending..

See, this is what makes a good film: Something that is open to interpretation; something that prompts debate and thought. Something that we are too short of these days.

I definitely think there is strong religious commentary in this film, defined by the cross around Shaw's neck. Surely the point is that you shouldn't follow something too blindly in case you don't like what you will find.

Yes, the execution may not have been perfect, but the ideology and the theories that lie within go way beyond the movie itself, which ultimately makes it successful.

One part that I didn't get was this...why did David deliberately contaminate Dr.Holloway?

Personally I think he acted alone in this, he put some on his finger and read/analysed that it was synthetic and prob knew it was to alter/destroy dna, he knew he was superior to his creators,yet treated as an inferior product, also stated later in the film that he wished his parents dead, so i think he knew he was doing by spiking that drink

Agree completely Mikey.

Iron Sky........very B movie watchable.

Well I enjoyed it. Amazed that some people find it confusing. But then to the majority of people sci fi is a Transformers movie. Mr J Cameron should be forced to watch Prometheus repeatedly before being allowed to make another Sci Fi epic. If you really think Ridley has kept saying it's not an Alien film just so he can surprise you by it being one, listen.

IT IS NOT AN "ALIEN" FILM, if you go expecting one you will be disappointed.

swampi - Member

One part that I didn't get was this...why did David deliberately contaminate Dr.Holloway?

Personally I think he acted alone in this, he put some on his finger and read/analysed that it was synthetic and prob knew it was to alter/destroy dna, he knew he was superior to his creators,yet treated as an inferior product, also stated later in the film that he wished his parents dead, so i think he knew he was doing by spiking that drink

Did Theron not ask Fassbender what he had been saying to Weyland and he said he wouldnt tell. "try harder" and next scene(ish) is him infecting the Dr. Seems as though it was under insruction.

Dont know about anyone else but the last 10 mins (or less) felt incredibly rushed.

PrinceJohn - Member

MAJOR SPOILER ALERT & ALSO SOURCE CODE SPOILER

I really hoped the movie credits were going to roll when the ship crashed onto Shaw...

+1

I really enjoyed it last night ! Was my first 3D film so that was fun.

Never spotted Mike from neighbours. (oh yeah - spoiler alert !!)

It was Weyland who used to live on Ramsay St.

Does anybody else think Charlize Theron was really a robot ?? All the sci fi nerdy boys love that idea, female robots that have sex. David did call Weyland "dad".

Still, not my favorite Alien film, but def in the top 3.

And, they really missed a chance to recycle a classic line. They really should have taken off and nuked it from orbit, it's the only way to be sure...

Agree with roady_tony on the helmets. Definitely some discontinuity there. Also, stapling wounds is already outdated so why are they still doing it in 2093 unless purely for the "ugh" effect?

Also, how did the tentacle thing grow so big in a sealed room with no food?

Overall, good but not great. 2D would have been fine.

I was somewhat underwhelmed by the film TBH. It asks more questions than it answers.

Fantasy writer Joe Abercrombie's analysis sums it up for me -

http://www.joeabercrombie.com/2012/06/04/prometheus/

saw it yesterday in 3D

excellent movie, very enjoyable

But if you take out all the talky bits there were some well cool space ships.

Agree with roady_tony on the helmets. Definitely some discontinuity there

Real-life fighter pilots use helmets, despite being able to breath our planet's atmosphere. Perhaps the helmets provide other functions, rather than for being life-support.

Also, how did the tentacle thing grow so big in a sealed room with no food?

Think back to the first Alien film: After the embryo bursts out of the stomach it scampers off and mysteriously grows by itself. It is only after it has grown up that it starts picking off the crew (unless I am fogetting a scene or two).

Either it is a plot hole in the original film, or they are capable of cocooning themselves away and feeding off energy reserves until they reach maturity.

Using staples still apears to be the most common form of closing an incision following a cesarean section.

[url= http://www.slashgear.com/ridley-scott-talks-prometheus-with-slashgear-candid-uncut-02231334/ ]Ridley Scott speaks[/url]

^^ good read..

we wanted Prometheus to open up the universe, so it’s not a prequel at all. It has two children, one of those children grows up to be Alien, and the other child is hopefully growing up in this other direction and, god willing, will grow up into an entirely different line of films.

Great,thanks for that link mikey.
Just got back from watching it (2D) with my son.
I think he got more out of it, from having watched Alien (and Aliens) last weekend,but we haven't stopped talking about the details and where it could go. 🙂
That interview filled in a few gaps.
I like that idea of the trailers being separate from( but complimenting ) the film,hope it catches on.

@deluded +1 on that review.

i do question though just when the director and writer have to then put in the effort to explain lots of things that clearly should not need explaining when they are totally KEY to the story and the plot, The Goo for one, if it was such a major factor in everything that happened it should really have had a decent Scientist (of which there are many on the Ship, as it was after all a science vessel) take samples and tell us a few things they may 'think' it is.

...and of course no one asked all the relevant questions about how 2 people could get lost when one of them is the mapping engineer, and they have a biiiiiiiiig map of the place already on the Ship (and presumably in that day and age could see it in a HUD on their helmet screen) , and yadayadayada 1001 other problems with the film too.

how 2 people could get lost when one of them is the mapping engineer

To be fair tony,what super scientist would take their helmet off(after only a few hours)on a new planet,cause he thought the atmosphere was Ok?.
😆

how 2 people could get lost when one of them is the mapping engineer

I've had a few beers, and when that happens I experience a certain clarity of mind.

Message to Ridley - PLEASE DON'T TOUCH BLADE RUNNER.

@deluded - he's already started the Sequel! Like Alien, set in the same world as original BladeRunner but 'said' it would not include Deckar.
(up to now, he may be fibbing...)

@ roady_tony

The last interview I saw he said that Deckard was going to feature in some way, although, as you say, it's not directly related to the first film.

saw it yesterday prepared to be massively disappointed but i have to say i really enjoyed it and the fact that it was tenuously linked to the Alien films made it all the better

deluded - Member

Fantasy writer Joe Abercrombie's analysis sums it up for me

OT but I'm pleased to see Joe Abercrombie's capable of writing something that doesn't have a berserker northman in it- I was beginning to wonder.

Ok what was matey boy infected with when he came back and started smashing the crap out of the loading bay?

Ok what was matey boy infected with when he came back and started smashing the crap out of the loading bay?

Cat AIDs. It's bad shit man.

- were the Engineers on their way back to Earth before "an accident" and [b]what accident that was they were running from??[/b]

I assumed, as happened in the film, that something (worms) mixed with the goo and it wasn't supposed to. My thinking is

Goo + humans = the plan

Goo + contaminated with something else = unplanned accident

When Charlie was spiked with the goo, he was clearly changing into something, quite possibly a space jockey. This is what I think the plan was.

Having the goo mix with other life forms and then forming what appears to be primitive face huggers, was the disaster that lead to the demise of the space jockeys on the planet.

Ok what was matey boy infected with when he came back and started smashing the crap out of the loading bay?

Was it just me, or did David call Shaw "Lisbeth" just before they took Weyland out of the spaceship?

When Charlie was spiked with the goo, he was clearly changing into something, quite possibly a space jockey. This is what I think the plan was.

why did the space jockey want to kill the humans as soon as he woke up then?

Was it just me, or did David call Shaw "Lisbeth" just before they took Weyland out of the spaceship?

I thought that too, but I sometimes call my girlfriend that instead of Liz.

Yeah i thought it was a nod to fincher/ alien 3

When Charlie was spiked with the goo, he was clearly changing into something, quite possibly a space jockey. This is what I think the plan was.

I don't think they were intending to turn humans in Engineers. One possibility is that they were using us as an experiment for bio weapons, although that doesn't make complete sense either, given the distance they would have to travel to find the results.

One theory I've been toying with is that they created us to become their superior and carry on their legacy. When it didn't work out like that, they saw fit to irradicate us. Hence the hostile reaction when they woke the SJ. The goo, IMO, was meant as the essence of evolution, a way to speed up and supersize the process.

The quote that Vickers says to Weyland: "A king has his reign, and then dies: It's inevitable", I think could be a reference to the Space Jockeys. Maybe the SJs as a species were dying out?

Or, as someone said earlier, that dude you see at the beginning was a rogue jockey and we were never meant to exist.