[Closed] Private ownership of firearms

SD-253

Tandem Tosser.

I don't know about anyone else, but I can think of one ban I'd impose on you.

Calm down dear.

steffybhoy - Member
Would Hamilton have been able to kill so many at dunblane?

Who knows? Maybe he would have made a bomb and done it that way?

You think it would be OK for a group of folk who've never handled a gun to come up to Scotland and take random potshots at the wildlife?

Fair enough

rightplacerighttime - Member
THM

So I guess you must be "offended" that someone might question the morality of gun owners.

Even if your argument holds up steffybhoy (which I doubt) where does your logic end? You would have to restrict large numbers of individual activities/possessions that in theory could cause the death of a child.

teamhurtmore - teh point is that guns are almost unique in their ability to kill easily from a distance and that there is very little justification for people to own guns - ie no utility for most gun owners.

No parallel that I can think of with anything else

rightplacerighttime - Member
SD-253

Tandem Tosser.

I don't know about anyone else, but I can think of one ban I'd impose on you.

On the bright side, there seems to be only one poster on this forum with obvious mental health issues and he, as luck would have it, doesn't own or want a gun.

THM

RPRT - not looking for another pointless argument here. Re-read my original post - 'offensive to law abiding gun owners" not me. Its not necessary, simples!

So you're not a gun owner, you just represent all of them?

Druidh, you sir are a genius! Bravo! 😆

Among people close enough to call friends I can count in tens those that have owned or still own firearms. Non has ever made inappropriate use of their firearms.

Among people close enough to call friends I can count in hundreds those that have owned or still own a car or motorcycle. Every single one has made inappropriate use of that vehicle at some time and #pause for a quick mental count# six have killed either themselves, somebody else or both. One I believe was a suicide.

Of course I should banned from this thread I disagree with the view of you and your fellow middle class "Liberal".

Why don't you try arguing the point instead of making wrong assumptions about "the sort of person" I must be?

the only use of a gun is in killing things.

Firstly - no it isn't. I know several (including one Olympic medal holder) competitive shots who have fired at nothing but paper targets for their entire lives and they are fine and happy normal people.

Secondly - those that hunt. Some hunt for food. The ability to kill your own food is something we have mostly forgotten how to do in this age of shrink-wrapped convenience. Those animals shot for the pot will have had a better life than the slabs of processed stuff you buy in your basket each week - or are you a vegetarian now?

thirdly - you are more than welcome to have your slightly scary isolationist flat earth fingers-in-ears opinion - but please, please stop going on about it. You are shamefully trolling and not even attempting to enter into any debate on the topic - you are relying on hyperbole and headlines rather than your normal desire for referenced evidence. You are the very worst in this thread that you despise most (when you have your other dogmatic head on)- one who can not and will not reason or be led to reason. Go out for a pint.

TJ - ok, some sense here. This is where the law makes an important distinction though. Shotguns are relatively short range weapons (poss less than your/other's crossbow). Rifles are very different and subject to much more stringent compulsion to demonstrate need of ownership to the police.

I can understand why the police make a distinction here but still feel that they are too onerous on those who have firearms for range shooting.

But TJ - put the 'real' danger of most legal guns against your story of the fast driving and ask yourself which is more likely to result in tragedy.

[RPRT - sorry weak attempt, not rising to that.]

guns are almost unique in their ability to kill easily from a distance

What exactly is the significance of "from a distance" which makes guns so unique? If you mean when not standing right next to somebody so that they're in a position to defend themselves, or being far enough away to have emotional detachment, then I can think of one obvious instrument which is used to kill several orders of magnitude more people than legally held guns which meets both of those criteria.

Zulu-Eleven - Member

I've got two guns, and permission for two more, and I've not shot anyone (yet) -

That should be more than enough information to form your opinions on

Note to self.
If I ever get into an interwebdingdong with zulu-eleven think twice before agreeing to a meet up 😉

the only reason for holding a gun that is not a tool is to fufuill violent fantasises. there is no other reason. People will attempt to justify its all about sport but its actually all about killing and blood lust.

How about you come round to my house and explain to my kids what their Dad, Auntie and Grandad are really like. Your ability to insult people with these broad sweeping and innaccurate statements is unbelievable.

Liberal as an insult - like it

Killing things is the only USE for a gun. shooting paper targets is just a pastime - there is no utility to it.

No one has given any good reason for anyone owning guns apart from a very small number of people who use them to kill vermin.

I do know and understand meat is animals. I have not lost that connection. I have butchered my own meat

Been away for a few hours and about seven pages. Do I need to read any of it or can I safely assume from the last few posts that the debates not really moved far?

I suggest you sign up for English lessons, TJ.

Killing things is the only USE for a gun. shooting paper targets is just a pastime - there is no utility to it.

Semantics! Woooo!

So, TJ, why am I mentally unstable? What are my "violent fantasies"? Do tell.

(Rhetorical, BTW, as you can't answer that with any conviction)

stevenmenmuir - Member
Your ability to insult people with these broad sweeping and innaccurate statements is unbelievable.

Killing things is the only USE for a gun

And despite asking, you've still not explained what exactly is wrong with killing things!

No one has given any good reason for anyone owning guns apart from a very small number of people who use them to kill vermin.

Weasely wording makes you look even more stupid.

Nobody has to justify their actions to you - you are coming over like Peter Dow, the Scottish Standard Bearer. You have the only view that is correct - you don't. I've not seen you this bad in a long time.

Of course I should be banned from this thread I disagree with the view of you and your fellow middle class "Liberal". I mean banning someone because they disagree with you is the definition of Liberal?

you are coming over like Peter Dow

hehehehe - I'm glad I'm not the only one who's noticed that similarity, I have posted it up a couple of times now without a bite 😀

[RPRT - sorry weak attempt, not rising to that.]

I was making a serious point (originally), which is that arguments about whether or not groups of people are "offended", or should be "offended" or might be "offended" at every opportunity doesn't do much to help debate, especially as the "offender" seems to be in a minority of one and isn't doing too bad a job of not taking offence himself.

What this thread needs is another bit of snappy analysis by overthehil.

And despite asking, you've still not explained what exactly is wrong with killing things!

Zulu earlier 😉
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So - is anyone able to provide any actual justification or reasonable reason for owning guns other than killing vermin for the very few who have guns for that reason?

No one has done so yet other that "I like shooting things"

Violent fantasies are nothing to worry about if you're metally stable, or so the shoot-'em-up game sellers would have us believe. Like masturbation and an interest in "erotic art" it's not the kind of thing you'll admit to on a public forum but you won't find me taking offence if you call me a tosser.

So - is anyone able to provide any actual justification or reasonable reason for owning guns other than killing vermin for the very few who have guns for that reason?

No one has done so yet other that "I like shooting things"

Again...

So, TJ, why am I mentally unstable? What are my "violent fantasies"? Do tell.

(Rhetorical, BTW, as you can't answer that with any conviction)

Its not weaslly wording Tootall - its the pertinent point. NO one [i]has[/i] to justify themselves to me of course but to claim gun ownership as benign requires some explanation when people are regularly killed by legally held guns.

Other things that kill people such as cars have utility - it the vast majority of instances gun ownerships does not - the only think it is for society is a risk.

No one has done so yet other that "I like shooting things"

And that is not answer enough?

Don't try the utility bullshit

nobody needs to own a car - you've testified as much in numerous threads - you don't own a car do you TJ?
Similarily, nobody in the UK needs to eat meat, we could all happily survive on a vegan diet

your utility argument is utterly flawed, none of us NEED those things.

i think he may be saying there is no need to refer to someone as a tosser and no I was not being ironic earlier r eyou r moral compass. you said /implied it took back bone to attack someone with broken bottle still holding to this view? I just want to paint an accurate picture of your character ...I have rude and i assume admiration for senseless violence

I have rude and i assume admiration for senseless violence

regularly killed by legally held guns.

Again...

So, TJ, why am I mentally unstable? What are my "violent fantasies"? Do tell.

(Rhetorical, BTW, as you can't answer that with any conviction)

Oh CFH - you really want me to go into that?

1) fantasist - no one believes your persona and IIRC yo were pulled up on an invented military history for your self where you tried to big yourself up as having army exopereince you did not

2) violent - you get pleasure from killing whats more violent than that?

I don't know why you ar ementally unstable but eh evidence is that you invent tall tales about yourself and you enjoy killing. thatss anissue in my book

TandemJeremy - Member
So - is anyone able to provide any actual justification or reasonable reason for owning guns other than killing vermin for the very few who have guns for that reason?

No one has done so yet other that "I like shooting things"

Read my previous post along with TooTall post

Honestly, Get a Grip will you

TJ - overall, the UK population has their lives shortened by, on average, 7 to 8 months because of air pollution in the UK. Up to 50,000 people a year may die prematurely because of air pollution.

Get some sort of proportional response will you? Rage about something useful.

Zulu-Eleven - Member

No one has done so yet other that "I like shooting things"

And that is not answer enough?

Nope - not when the result is people get killed

[quote=TJ-LAW]
Killing things is the only USE for a gun. shooting paper targets is just a pastime - there is no utility to it.

[b]No one has given any good reason for anyone owning guns[/b] apart from a very small number of people who use them to kill vermin

Sadly for you TJ, they all have.

In the eyes of the [b]Real Law[/b] they have anyway, sport shooting is a perfectly valid reason for owning a gun.

maybe not in the made up world of TJ-LAW

(where putting the word USE in capitals somehow changes its legal meaning 😯 )

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but lets be honest, TJ-LAW isnt real is it ?

its just stuff you make up to sound important and superior 😳

Swelper - / tootall- I am not raging - but I am pointing out the massive hypocrisy in your positions.

Becvause yo uwant to be able to shoot guns thenthe rest of the population has to accept the risks? the is no utility to trade this risk off against

TJ

you get pleasure from killing whats more violent than that

pleasure from cutting up a poor defenceless animal and eating it - pretty violent extreme application of blood lust that it really, innit?