[Closed] Porsche Macan

Macan on practicality grounds. It's a vanity thing full stop.

If you like the brand (engineering, quality, performance etc) its the only medium sized 4-door.

Cayman - great car 🙂

At Chantilly

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^^ becoming collectable those ^^

Snap one up sharpish..

Get one that's actually been used day to day. Apparently they don't like sitting around. Bores get scored or something...

Bores get scored

...after 7 pages - I think that pretty well sums this thread up... 😆

Get one that's actually been used day to day. Apparently they don't like sitting around. Bores get scored or something...

No car likes sitting around unused. This is good advice though. One small issue I had with the gearbox (repair was £350) was due to the car being unused for 4 months when I was in Singapore and ex-wife refused to drive the car (as I'd asked as she always did the opposite)

Get one that's actually been used day to day. Apparently they don't like sitting around. Bores get scored or something...

In the change from the 3.4 to the 3.6 engine (around 2000/1) Porsche changed from a ferrous piston coating to a plastic coating.

This plastic coating is "prematurely" failing - leading to scored bores on flat 6 water cooled from the 996.2 to 997.1 inc cayman and boxster of the same generation.

There are almost no cases of premature bore score in the 3.4 with its more resilient ferrous piston coating. The 3.4 also has a dual row IMS bearing more robust than the 3.6 single row.

In the change from the 3.4 to the 3.6 engine (around 2000/1) Porsche changed from a ferrous piston coating to a plastic coating.

This plastic coating is "prematurely" failing - leading to scored bores on flat 6 water cooled from the 996.2 to 997.1 inc cayman and boxster of the same generation.

There are almost no cases of premature bore score in the 3.4 with its more resilient ferrous piston coating. The 3.4 also has a dual row IMS bearing more robust than the 3.6 single row.

Basically any 3.6 or 3.8l air cooled 911 until the 997.2 (2008 or 2009). The engine of these 911 has issues with bore scoring and IMS bearings. Some specialists won't even trade 3.6/3.8 996 or 997.1 because of this. You are looking at a potential engine rebuild of £8-12l from someone like Hartech. The Porsche magazines are full of stories of this engine.

You may of course get a 996/997.1 without these issues but it's a gamble.

Saw a Bentayga in the flesh for the first time yesterday. Didn't hate it.

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I have to say, it was a joy to drive, I just wish I'd had it for another couple of hours. Oh, that engine noise!

I still find it amusing how STW seems to find it acceptable to swan around in a bloody great van as personal/family transportation, yet has a fit of the vapours when anyone mentions SUV's which are around two-thirds the size.
Personally, I find most SUV's just a bit too big, I get on OK with something about the size of a Qashqai, but the Merc MLs are just a tad too big for my taste, which would probably be the same for Discos, etc; I've yet to drive one to find out for sure.

Macan is between a SWB and LWB Landrover sizewise. Boot similar ? We all love the idea of a Landrover but they are out of production as not enough people wanted to buy one.

Also what's a 4x4 and what's an SUV ?

[quote=jambalaya ]Macan is between a SWB and LWB Landrover sizewise.

#jambafact

It's longer and wider than a LWB Defender. Though I'm not really sure why you're comparing it with one of those, I don't think anybody else has mentioned one - it's also larger in all dimensions than an Octavia which has a larger boot.

Also what's a 4x4 and what's an SUV ?

We all love the idea of a Landrover but they are out of production as not enough people wanted to buy one.

[quote=mikewsmith ]becasue so many people did it better

Depends what the aim is and the definition of better - though I think the Disco is a better off road vehicle in most circumstances? All sorts of other reasons for the demise, but given the market for them was limited, I don't suppose the way they tend to keep going helps the market for new ones.

better?
Reliable
Comfortable
Practical
Cheaper
I'll give you that nobody quite made a vehicle as unrefined, basic, uncomforatable, expensive etc. as land rover but there comes a point where it's not really what was needed.

but given the market for them was limited

Also what's a 4x4 and what's an SUV

I guess you could describe it as a 4x4 is a vehicle that's good off road (e.g. Landrover etc), normally used by people who need it - i.e. people who actually need to drive off road.

An SUV is a higher, heavier, more expensive, worse handling, less fuel efficient, less practical car, sometimes with 4x4 and with the fashion lead looks of an offroader, normally used by people who like to give the impression that they're outdoor, moneyed or superior type's etc. Normally this couldn't be further from the truth.

The owners of these vehicles try to justify this by saying yes but gives better visibility, safer for the kids etc. Well 2 tonnes of badly driven SUV is not safer for anyone else on the road or their kids is it (or your kids if you'd consider walking them to school for a change), and the high roofline often blocks visibility for other road users.

As someone previously said "I can't give a damn what others think" - well that kind of sums up the kind of person who buys SUV's for me, oh and maybe you should consider giving a damn actually.

Most farmers I know have been using Japanese pickups for years in preference to Land Rovers. Ever since every "self employed" person put a new pickup through their books as a "business" vehicle and then the used market was flooded with L200.

The Discovery is better than a Defender at everything, apart from being pickup.

The only reason they never made a Discovery pickup to take that market head on is that they don't want to "cheapen" the brand.

As Land Rover has gone more up market I suspect they may never enter that market again.

The "new" markets where Land Rover make all their money don't give a toss about Defenders. Its dead.

About time we realised they are not designing cars for British people anymore, they are designing for China / middle east etc.

normally used by people who like to give the impression that they're outdoor, moneyed or superior type's etc. Normally this couldn't be further from the truth.

The owners of these vehicles try to justify this by saying yes but gives better visibility, safer for the kids etc. Well 2 tonnes of badly driven SUV is not safer for anyone else on the road or their kids is it (or your kids if you'd consider walking them to school for a change), and the high roofline often blocks visibility for other road users.

As someone previously said "I can't give a damn what others think" - well that kind of sums up the kind of person who buys SUV's for me, oh and maybe you should consider giving a damn actually.

So patronising - got your hair shirt on this AM?

Can you translate that into English?
Which are the years to avoid?

The early '98-'00 3.4 C2 is the one to have. No bore score or IMS bearing problems, mechanical cable throttle and no interfering electronic aids. However they are pretty old now, and any one of a million things can go wrong with a car engine at that age.

A 3.6 is a fantastic car, more low down power than the 3.4 so drives differently, just look carefully for smoke when running (a puff at startup is normal) / one blacked tail pipe or for peace of mind get the bores inspected with a borescope. If it hasn't already scored a bit it will do, but how long before it starts consuming oil is a gamble.

A 3.6 with relined cylinders fixes the issue (as they use a cylinder material thats more compatible with the plastic coated pistons), the builder with the best reputation is Hartech and they use non ferrous liners.

Just to add that no engine lasts forever, effectively most production engines are on borrowed time above 10 years / 100k miles. So Porsche are not particularly bad, its just that the cars are so well put together they last well and hold their value - and people expect their £15k 911 to be as problem free as a 3 year old car, even though its 15 year old.

[quote=wzzzz ]As Land Rover has gone more up market I suspect they may never enter that market again.

Which is also a big part of the reason for the demise.

About time we realised they are not designing cars for British people anymore, they are designing for China / middle east etc.

Hmm, on a thread where we're discussing people in the UK buying lifestyle SUVs and 4x4s?

This seems to be the logic from some here;

SUV = hate
4x4 = cool and practical vehicle

Range Rover lead the way as I posted before. Created a superbly capable off-road vehicle which was a great place to be on-road too.

I'll take a Macan in the ice and snow all day long over an estate including the A6 Quattro I had.

If people want to buy a 2wd version of a "mass market" SUV good luck to them, that's customer choice.

@aracer Landrover went out of business as the only thing a Landy was good for was off-road and their competitors where more than good enough for that for the vast majority of the market

This seems to be the logic from some here;

SUV = hate
4x4 = cool and practical vehicle

Nope I think people who drive 4x4's who actually need them for work and/or for going off road are fine.

Can you not understand though how those who live in a town and who drive an unnecessarily large and thirsty 4x4's or SUV (when in reality an estate car - or sports car if you want a fast vehicle) would far more suit their needs (i.e. choosing vanity/status/image above everything else including the safety of others) might be perceived as a shallow and selfish decision by others? Narcissism really has gone crazy!

I'll take a Macan in the ice and snow all day long over an estate including the A6 Quattro I had.

You might want to change that opinion when you see the big alloys and wide sports tyres that every Macan seems to be fitted with.

Most of the farmers where I used to live used to keep a small lightweight FWD french hatchback with narrow tyres in reserve for the winter months. In the snow this will still get them to the shops even where proper 4x4's struggle.

This seems to be the logic from some here;

SUV = hate
4x4 = cool and practical vehicle

+1.
I think I'd rather have a Macan, with good brakes, grippy tyres and a nimble chassis up my chuff than one of these monsters:
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But they're OK; they're a working man's vehicle, rough and agricultural. Never mind a transit van is more practical in most scenaria. (Is that a word?)

Agent well I'd agree with Frenchie FWD with narrow tyres being great in snow and ice. The 2CV is well known for it.

I bought a Shogun as I wanted a 7 seater which was not a Sharan/Galaxy and the 4wd as we lived on a steep unswept road and drove it to the Alps every winter. Once we didn't need a 7 seater we got a Rav4 and then the Quattro estate. You can call style choice vanity if you want but people like different things. If style wan't imoortant we'd all drive Postman Pat type square cars

Oil change every 2 as per main dealer advice.

Sorry for the delay in coming back on this. I'm amazed that they would advise to keep the same oil in such a premium engine for 2yrs. Its the one thing Honest John raves on about if you want to keep the car for a long time, change the oil every year or 10,000 miles whichever is sooner. Still, if it ain't broke don't fix it.

+1.
I think I'd rather have a Macan, with good brakes, grippy tyres and a nimble chassis up my chuff than one of these monsters:

Can you not understand though how those who live in a town and who drive an unnecessarily large and thirsty 4x4's or SUV (when in reality an estate car - or sports car if you want a fast vehicle) would far more suit their needs (i.e. choosing vanity/status/image above everything else including the safety of others) might be perceived as a shallow and selfish decision by others? Narcissism really has gone crazy!

I'll take a Macan in the ice and snow all day long over an estate including the A6 Quattro I had.

But they're OK; they're a working man's vehicle, rough and agricultural. Never mind a transit van is more practical in most scenaria. (Is that a word?)

Not as good as a family car though, which is the reason they are bought. Just happen to be classed as a working vehicle so it can go through the business books....

[quote="jambalaya"]@aracer Landrover went out of business as the only thing a Landy was good for was off-road and their competitors where more than good enough for that for the vast majority of the marketIs this one of those jamba facts i keep hearing about?

Land Rover didn't go out of business, where the **** do you get this shit from?
They are making about three hundred thousand cars a year. If anything, they are more successful now than they've ever been.

And the Defender died as it physically couldn't be made compliant with new emissions and crash rules. As massively reported and discussed all over the trade for many, many years before it actually happened, putting the transit engine in it was a last gasp to keep it emissions compliant.

And as far as i can find out, sales were pretty stable for probably the last dozen years before it's demise, about 18-20 thousand a year.

But they're OK; they're a working man's vehicle, rough and agricultural. Never mind a transit van is more practical in most scenaria. (Is that a word?)
Not as good as a family car though, which is the reason they are bought. Just happen to be classed as a working vehicle so it can go through the business books....

Exactly. You'll get the kids' bikes in the back but an 8x4 sheet? Forget it. Once you've fitted the very necessary toolsafe box you can't even load a pallet of dust.

"Premium engine" is my favourite phrase since "peer-reviewed dataset" appeared on this forum a few days ago.

On the first page of this thread I posted this:

Went to car fest south this year and sat in a Jaguar F-Pace, I'm 5' 10" (just) and sat behind a 5' 10" driver left me with a very very small amount of leg room.

For such a big car the inside is very tight/cramped.

For me IMHO so many of the SUVs you see on the roads are just status symbols, nothing wrong with that if that's your thing but for me most SUVs are way too big externally for the practical space they offer.

I've driven a Williams Clio, M3s (E30, E36) and 911s and if I wanted something flash/fast/fun they'd be my choice again, but if I want something practical then a big SUV doesn't give me enough useable space for my money.

@ghostely yes you are quite correct I was speaking about the demise of the Landy (ie Defender). You can see its the rest of the range esp the Sport models which are providing the sales and profits.

[quote=jambalaya ]@ghostely yes you are quite correct I was speaking about the demise of the Landy (ie Defender).

😆

You could just admit you're wrong occasionally - I'm completely sure people wouldn't think any less of you for it.

Unfortunately our society is going more narcisssistic and people go beyond their means to get "status symbol" cars on easy finance.

They are spending tomorrows pension pots on impressing the neighbours today.

That fills me with dread, and its why I shudder when I see a status SUV.

The cars them selves are brilliant, comfortable, safe easy to drive all the toys, I'd have one if I wasn't saving for my future, but I'd never buy a new one.

The Macan is so last year.
The cool kids will be driving the new Merc X-class very soon:
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[quote="jambalaya"]You can see its the rest of the range esp the Sport models which are providing the sales and profits.Sales, yes. Profits, No. Defender was a cash cow for landrover for a couple of decades.

I got the impression that Land Rover were selling as many Defenders as they could make in recent years.

I know there's not much love on here for SUVs, but I think I'd prefer one to an estate car for everyday use.

Well, I've just seen a convertible Ranger Rover Evoque in the street. I'm not sure how it'll cope with a couple of sheep and maybe some feedsacks in the back, although it will give the Border Collie a nice view of the countryside.

Like those Merc pick-ups.

The Mercs are pretty much rebadged Nissan Navarro's if you are interested.

The Mercs are pretty much rebadged Nissan Navarro's if you are interested.

Gah.

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Like that ^^ 😀

I had a Macan. It's not where I left it when I went out for a meal with friends.

At least the mercs are trying something other thand grey or black 'premium plastics'......

At least the mercs are trying something other thand grey or black 'premium plastics'......

Judging by the state of that it's like saying at least someones trying something other than tinder to find a girlfriend when they go out digging up corpses and bringing them home

@ghostely yes you are quite correct I was speaking about the demise of the Landy (ie Defender). You can see its the rest of the range esp the Sport models which are providing the sales and profits.

Yet no mention of the fact you got the reason for it going out of production wrong. As mentioned above, it couldn't be made to meet current necessary standards. Nothing to do with sales.

They are going to make another.

God awful things anyway, why anyone would want one is beyond me. I'd prefer a T5, and that's saying something.

It would seem, from the patronising and condescending remarks made by some here, that every SUV on the road is some monster, 2-tonne behemoth like a Range Rover Sport, Merc GLC, VW Toureg, Audi Q5/7...
The actual reality is that the great majority are crossover cars like the Qashqai, Mokka, i35, Tucson, etc, all of which are no larger than an average family car, are often shorter but taller. There are plenty of family MPV-type cars, Galaxy, Touran, S-Max, B-Max, C-Max, Zafira, etc, which are physically bigger, being 7-seater rather than five.
The reason people like these cars, and why they're so popular with Motability, is because they're so much easier to get in and out of. I'm finding it increasingly awkward getting out of regular saloon/hatchback cars, especially in tight parking spaces, as I get older; cars which have the seating set several centimetres higher makes it so much easier to slide in and out of.
I'm seriously looking at getting a Mokka, they're nice to drive, well-styled, come as a 4x4, which can be very handy, along with good tyres, around the shitty lanes where I live, but most of all, getting in and out is just so much easier!

Can't believe this has got to 9... well done everybody... well done.

Who needs all of these practical yet sporty vehicles.
I saw a bloke on the M4 today with a quad bike on the back of his 3 series convertible...
Roof down, resting on the roof cover and some 3x2 sitting on the window sills.
Don't worry he had it safely tied down with a bit of twine...

bikebouy - Member

Like that ^^

matt_outandabout - Member

At least the mercs are trying something other thand grey or black 'premium plastics'......

In a pickup though? GTFO.

The screen on the Merc. does look like they pinched a fake iPad from the market and botched it onto the dash.
And stole the rest of the interior from Liberaci's caravan..

Maserati levante,

I can't decide.. I'm not keen on the sharks teeth grill and the "grrrrr" angry "get out of my way pleb" headlamps, but the rest of it looks pretty good, but the back end looks like a qashkai...

You?

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bikebouy - Member

Maserati levante,

You?

I normally like Maseratis. But.....this? Bleurgh. Maybe it looks better in the flesh?

Front end all pointy & aggressive - just the thing for shoe horning the meek cars out of the way in the mornings
Middle bit - nothing really happening, not much to say
Back end - looks like it's from a different car from the front. Did they run out of time/money & give up on it?

Oh, and the wheels look too small.

Nope. Nope. Nope.....
I like the Macan though....

We've got a C3 Picasso, which is more people carrier than SUV. The resident petrol head at work who has to have an opinion on anything car-related took very little time in bemoaning all 'those large people carriers that are pointless & take up so much space & you'd be better off in an estate and.....blah blah'
Until we pointed out it's about a foot shorter than his girlfriend's Focus but is much more practical inside, has seats that fold away completely flat, a much more usable boot, sliding rear seats for practicality, short rear doors so easy to load baby into the back in tight parking spaces as well as a higher seating position in the rear so less stooping to put the baby in........but hey, it's not like we spent a lot of time looking at the options and considering our choices....

bikebouy

Maserati levante,

From the middle of the rear door back it's a mess. And completely at odds with the front. The front looks okay, although it would benefit from a better stance, maybe bigger arches, bigger wheels. The back end just looks like a Qashqai - unforgiveable.

Never even heard of a porsche macan till I stumbled into this thread, appear to be 2 a penny in Kensington and driven by an arsehole in Beaconsfield judging by my now broadened horizon

Maserati levante,

****ING gopping

why in the name of all thats holy would anyone pick that over a Quattroporte. (or any nicely made sports saloon for that matter)

why in the name of all thats holy would anyone pick that over a Quattroporte. (or any nicely made sports saloon for that matter)

I think you're forgetting that people who buy SUV's mostly seem to do so because of the perceived image/status thing. I don't thing most of them are particularly worried that it might not be the best car out there!

I think you're forgetting that people who buy SUV's mostly seem to do so because of the perceived image/status thing. I don't thing most of them are particularly worried that it might not be the best car out there!

Well I don't know a single person who bought one for "status" - 4wd, high driving position and visibility for kids, easy to put kids in back seats (less bending) ... as I said before the Macan is easily the best all round car for me in the Porsche range, I'd much rather have one than another A6 Avant Quattro.

Here is its back end, it is qashkai like innit 😆

The new Maserati Qashvente...

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There hasn't been a good looking Masturbati since the Bora, 40 years ago...

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Grand Turismo makes a wonderful sound and very desirable, would I spend double Macan money to buy one - nope

suburbanreuben

There hasn't been a good looking Masturbati since the Bora, 40 years ago...

Pump your brakes kid.

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I've always liked the Shamal too, but it's marmite territory.

That Maserati truly fell out of the ugly tree, the very tall one, with lots of branches. I really like Maseratis, but dear God...
It has a really unfortunate resemblance to this:

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S'alright, but does it have a moleskin lined aperture for my MASSIVE WATCH???!!

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My Mothers got one of those 3008sw things.. it's actually not a bad car, might look blurgh, but is a nice thing to pop to the shops in.

as I said before the [b]Macan[/b] is easily the best all round car for me in the [b]Porsche[/b] range, I'd much rather have one than another [b]A6 Avant Quattro.[/b]

No nothing to do with status.