[Closed] Porsche Macan

[quote=Steve77 ]SUVs are just cars that optimise for things like being able to see over other cars, ease of getting in and out, or ground clearance, rather than fuel economy or ease of parking etc. Nobody says an estate car is 'poorly designed' just because you can only see the arse of the car in front through the windscreen. All car designs are 'compromised'.

Your first point makes them selfish cars - clearly if everybody had SUVs then nobody would be able to see over other cars. For the vast majority of owners ground clearance is fine on a standard car (I'm tempted to suggest 100%, but there's maybe the odd exception somewhere) - I've certainly done more "off roading" in my standard cars than most of those do and never had a problem with ground clearance (I'd also note that at the events I go to which involve driving off tarmac there's probably a lower proportion of SUVs than in general use). Ease of getting in and out depends - having to climb up could make things harder.

In reality the compromise is design and marketing led.

The Range Rover was the first (and still ?) luxury 4wd drive superbly capable off road and luxurious inside. What we see today is a derivation.

When launched the Macan had a 24 month wait and it's still 6-9 months for petrol. It's a brilliantly executed car people want to own.

[quote=jambalaya ]The Range Rover was the first (and still ?) luxury 4wd drive superbly capable off road

Which is pretty much irrelevant for almost everybody buying one today.

What we see today is a derivation.

What we see today is something with a similar image.

It's a brilliantly executed car people want to own.

I'm not sure that the latter implies anything about how good a car is.

The original Range Rover wasn't luxurious.
It was designed as a working vehicle that was more suited to mixed on/off road use than the Land Rover.

Ever sat in an early one?
They're all plastic and rubber, designed to be hosed out.
The posh bits were added later, to appeal to the type of person described above.

The Macan is a fashion item.
It was designed as such.

can you fit 2 29ers in the back with front wheels off?

All this hate is a waste of your time and energy.

If i was buying a Porsche it'd be a 911, not one that looks like a badly pimped Rover 200.

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Buy one, it means nothing to me.

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Looks reasonable until you see the price.

Isn't the cayman the sensible/informed choice of the whole range?

Isn't the cayman the sensible/informed choice of the whole range?

It looks great IMO and enjoyed the ride in Jambas one a couple of year's back.

Not sure it passed the golf club test - forget a 29er!

I watched it. It shows that you can buy a much better looking car that's faster than a Macan Turbo for £18k less. I'm not sure you've made your point well 😆

 

RichPenny

I watched it. It shows that you can buy a much better looking car that's faster than a Macan Turbo for £18k less. I'm not sure you've made your point well

So lap times and appearances are the main factors when buying a car?

They kind of lost interest with the rear end though...

Well I was loaned the Macan for a day on Saturday and all I can say is wow. Drives like a sports car and the power is impressive. Refinement is also there, so foolish of me not to order one. Roll on May 2017 !!

^^ just a couple of months after Brexit starts..

You sure?

So lap times and appearances are the main factors when buying a car?

Those were basically the two points from the post that the video was attempting to counter, yes. (well it was inefficiencies and appearance)

Well I was loaned the Macan for a day on Saturday and all I can say is wow. Drives like a sports car and the power is impressive. Refinement is also there, so foolish of me not to order one. Roll on May 2017 !!

What other cars have you tried of a similar design?

Well I was loaned the Macan for a day on Saturday and all I can say is wow. Drives like a sports car and the power is impressive. Refinement is also there, so foolish of me not to order one. Roll on May 2017 !!

Yes indeed. I am cynical with sales people and when they told me the Macan drive was modelled on my Cayman I thought - yeah right. Salesman was right and I was wrong

Make sure if possible you can get a price guaranty as it seems likely prices will rise 10%

Bikebouy I am expecting new and used car prices to rise post A50 and thats without tariffs. If we have those they will both (new and used) rise further. Relative economic risk post A50 is all on Europe, I expect plenty of pressure from German (and French) car unions to put plenty of pressure on their Governments

What other cars have you tried of a similar design?

IMO there are none comparable, not even close. An Evoc ????

they told me the Macan drive was modelled on my Cayman

4wd, front engined hatchback on stilts = Rwd, mid-engined low coupe that's 500kg lighter? 😕

Or would I be right to assume that this 'modelling' is the steering/suspension/pedal feel when bimbling around?

I have driven many cars in this category and owned high performance two seater sports cars and in my opinion the Macan doesn't feel like a 4x4, it's a sports car on steroids. I had read the reviews and didn't think it would live up to the hype, I was proven wrong when I tested it on country roads/urban/motorway routes only to find it is everything they say it is.

I thought this would be about an exciting new sports car, from a legendary marque. 😳

No, it's about a vulgar ego-chariot marketed at insecure people who need to feel somehow elevated from the common herd, yet can't afford the 'real deal'. It's a glorified Audi ffs. 😆

The Chelsea Tractor is the evolution of the fact that some overprivileged matriarch, unable to ride horses any longer, yet still wanting to follow the local hunt etc, didn't want to travel in a dirty old Land Rover, and insisted on something more in keeping with their overinflated sense of their own importance. Hence the development of the first Range Rovers (the more traditional shooting brakes were shit at getting around muddy fields). It gives the owner the illusion of status, without them actually needing any. They appeal to the insecure, because of the way they can substitute for inadequacies of character.

How interesting that such a pointless bauble is owned by a certain poster on this forum. 😆

A neighbour of ours, who is currently doing up an old LWB Landy with a view to offroading it round Iceland, sees Chelsea Tractors as 'dick enlargements' for the not so well endowed. A perfect summary, imo.

You want to put all your money in an uncertain and unproven Brexit, go ahead.

Car prices will slump as no one buys them for fear of expected massive job losses.

Wait for 12 moths then go in and expect 40% discount because they can't shift em'.

A neighbour of ours, who is currently doing up an old LWB Landy with a view to offroading it round Iceland, sees Chelsea Tractors as 'dick enlargements' for the not so well endowed. A perfect summary, imo.

I see lots of females driving them 😯

I hope he has some 'One life - live it' stickers for the crowning glory of the restoration. 😆

I quite fancy getting some 'on a driveway, covered in stinking transmission oil' stickers made up to stick next to the one life ones..

[quote=clodhopper ]marketed at insecure people who need to feel somehow elevated from the common herd, yet can't afford the 'real deal'. It's a glorified Audi ffs.

The real deal being ... ?

I hate the things in general, but by all accounts these are really rather good.

I honesty hope you enjoy it.
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Not the brown, surely?

clodhopper - Member

A neighbour of ours, who is currently doing up an old LWB Landy with a view to offroading it round Iceland, sees Chelsea Tractors as 'dick enlargements' for the not so well endowed. A perfect summary, imo.

As someone that doesn't currently drive, can you imagine how large my penis must be?
I could probably beat you to death with it! 😯

I take it you're somewhere in between with a more average car type and penis size?
Let me guess, are the limits of acceptably ostentatious car ownership defined by what you've decided to drive? 💡

[quote=clodhopper]
A neighbour of ours, who is currently doing up an old LWB Landy with a view to offroading it round Iceland, sees Chelsea Tractors as 'dick enlargements' for the not so well endowed. A perfect summary, imo.

not sure what he'll make of the super-jeeps out there. they make chelsea tractors look modest

sbob

As someone that doesn't currently drive, can you imagine how large my penis must be?
I could probably beat you to death with it!

Don't be silly. The landrover penis expert will simply use some other metric to deride your genitals (whilst subtlety aggrandizing his own) such as your dog, your house, phone, power tools etc.

In comparison with a man who fixes landrovers with HIS OWN hands pretty much all penises are tiny. He can weld and drive at the same time after all.

Hope this helps.

Aren't Aston Martin going down this route too now?

(edit) and Bentley?

Before Steve here bought this Mercedes-AMG G 63 6x6 he was a hugely endowed manly man. But just look at him now.

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"The real deal being ... ?"

This:

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This:

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And this:

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IE, not some glorified shopping trolley...

Do they increase penis size?

Owning one of those rebadged Audis is a bit like owning one of these:

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😆

I often nip to Booths in a LeMans car to pick up some spuds

ps: I don't shop at Booths by the way, just thought I would prod the fire

"Do they increase penis size?"

Dunno. Can you afford one?

Not this month. But for the sake of the others on the forum who may well be able to afford them it might be relevant information. Avoid the tiny penis stigma of a Porsche Macan, buy a classic Porsce Le Man car and bask in the shadow of your giant penis.

"Not this month."

Never mind eh. But maybe you can afford a t-shirt?

clodhopper

Never mind eh. But maybe you can afford a t-shirt?

You got a million pound Porsche clodhopper? Tell us about your penis size.

"You got a million pound Porsche clodhopper?"

Dunno; haven't counted this month.

Why are you so interested in my penis size? I'm not...

Clodhopper.

There's something about the way the name sounds that seems oddly appropriate for the blundering arguments.

😆

clodhopper

Dunno; haven't counted this month.

Haven't counted what? Your cars? you might just have a 962 lying about that you'd forgotten about?

clodhopper
Why are you so interested in my penis size? I'm not...

I thought you and your neighbour have categorically proven the correlation between the vehicle you drive and your penis size. Or did I miss something?

clodhopper

A neighbour of ours, who is currently doing up an old LWB Landy w sees Chelsea Tractors as 'dick enlargements' for the not so well endowed. A perfect summary, imo.

jimjam - Member
Five pages.

Nearly!

So I take it nobody has any info on specs etc 🙂

No big deal, ordered 21" wheels to match my penis size ha ha

No big deal, ordered 21" wheels to match my penis size ha ha

Diameter? 😯

So I take it nobody has any info on specs etc

Defo get the panoramic roof and phone kit.

Pan roof not worth the money, on any car.

And shirley a phone kit is standard?

Shifter, how do you know?

Legend, amazingly it's not!

I have driven many cars in this category and owned high performance two seater sports cars and in my opinion the Macan doesn't feel like a 4x4, it's a sports car on steroids. I had read the reviews and didn't think it would live up to the hype, I was proven wrong when I tested it on country roads/urban/motorway routes only to find it is everything they say it is.

OP agreed entirely (@legend take note). Enjoy it it's going to be fabulous 🙂 Haters here have to hate

I have owned two Shoguns inc a 3.5 24v V6 and a Rav4 (allegedly "sporty" 😐 ). The Macan is a real Porsche and as beautiful as the old air-cooled 911 is a Macan would beat one round a track no problem IMO, technology has moved on massively. I have little doubt on a track they'd be very little between the Macan S and my Cayman S. On the road zero difference except the Macan being more comfortable.

Phone kit ? I never answer my phone in the car so not needed for me. Tech to play my music through stereo would be more useful. Also never felt the need for a mechanical oil dipstick in 9 years of ownership.

Phone kit ? I never answer my phone in the car so not needed for me.

Because you can't.

Tech to play my music through stereo would be more useful.

They don't even have that? 😆

I win I win I win - I had a rusty defender and a real deal 911. And a mahoosive knob as well. I win. Yesssssss

This thread is hilarious! How can people get so worked up about cars? They're just [i]things[/i] after all. Honestly. I'm not massively keen on the big lumpy expensive Porsche thing personally, but everyone with too much disposable income (and I'm including myself TBH) chooses how to spunk it in their own, mostly obscene to varying degrees, way. It's a really weird argument. Showing off is really important to some people. Let them crack on

Nope NZCol - I win. The only car I have owned was a ford Anglia for a few weeks in the 70s.

Haters here have to hate

FFS it's "haters gonna hate". What's the point of an internet meme if you're going to make minor variations.

good luck with the purchase op - get a private plate so we know who you are

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sorry if this has already been suggested -cba to look through 4 pages worth

"Or did I miss something?"

Yes, yes you did. Quite a lot, actually. I doubt trying to explain this to you would have any significant effect, so I won't bother.

"Showing off is really important to some people. Let them crack on"

I have no issue with people making fools of themselves in public. I do have a problem with people feeling that it's ok to drive around in a car that produces far more pollution/uses far more finite resources than is necessary. I do have a problem with people driving around in massive heavy vehicles that pose a far greater risk of harm to other road users (anyone owning a Chelsea Tractor, feel free to let me drive it into you when you're out on your bike, see how well you come off). Etc.

"Haters here have to hate"

I do find it quite poetic, that you own a vehicle in keeping with your online persona, Jamba. 😆

Tech to play my music through stereo would be more useful.

clodhopper

Yes, yes you did. Quite a lot, actually. I doubt trying to explain this to you would have any significant effect, so I won't bother.

Aw that's disappointing, I was hoping to benefit from you and your penis knowledge. I mean I presume you have superior penis knowledge, can't be sure. But the way you felt the need to state that your neighbour is

currently doing up an old LWB Landy with a view to offroading it round Iceland

It's not often you come across someone with such a rare talent, such a high powered penis perception.

Maybe he is. Who knows. I'll ask him next time I see him.

"Aw that's disappointing"

Never mind. I could buy you a t-shirt if you like, would that help?

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clodhopper

Never mind. I could buy you a t-shirt if you like, would that help?

In your expert opinion, how will it effect my penis?

Do they come with sensors that let you know the lane on your left is empty?

I don't hate them. I do agree with Rusty Spanner's sentiments on the whole marketing vs engineering thing though. Incidentally they dry sump the petrol versions to get the engine lower to mitigate some of the high centre of gravity. They don't bother with the diesel though.

Kind of sad that Porsche is selling diesel SUVs that could be shown a clean set of heals by the six year old SEAT on my drive, but they spend some of the profit making things like the 918 so maybe we should be thanking the drivers

I don't like the fridge magnet look..

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Define a 'clean set of heals'. I'm not convinced a 6 yr old Seat could show a Macan a clean set of heals in the real world on real roads. Those things are wonders of modern engineering and though it is heavier and possibly slower in a straight line, it'll muller the Seat on the bends as it will have so much more grip, and ultimately grip trumps everything.

I quite like the rear end - it sort of hints at the 928.

Lol. And in other news, my dad's car is faster than your dad's car...

wobbliscott - Member

I quite like the rear end - it sort of hints at the 928.

Reminiscent of a Rover 200 from that angle. 😆

That of a 10 year old imprezza estate...

I do have a problem with people feeling that it's ok to drive around in a car that produces far more pollution/uses far more finite resources than is necessary. I do have a problem with people driving around in massive heavy vehicles that pose a far greater risk of harm to other road users (anyone owning a Chelsea Tractor, feel free to let me drive it into you when you're out on your bike, see how well you come off). Etc.

Like an old landrover? I hope you told your neighbour.

Does it look more like a Rover 200:-

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or a Porsche 928 (albeit a bit of a bloated 928)?:-

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Whatever car Porsche make it tends to be the best in it's class, or pretty much up there. The Macan is a much better SUV than any other competing one, aesthetics aside, so forget it's a Porsche for a second, it's just a very good car. It's beautiful ugly, which is a look I like in cars, unlike the offerings from Audi and BMW which are just grotesque - like a photo finish in a gurning contest, and the VW, as always, commits the ultimate sin of just being plain old boring. To be fair, the F-Pace looks half decent though, but is more expensive than the Macan and won't be as good. But ultimately there is a special place in hell reserved for SUV's - utterly pointless cars and completely the product of a questionnaire asked of a bunch of wags preserved in fake tan pumped up with botox and silicone in a shopping precinct in some Cheshire semi-rural town. I'd have a Mondeo estate and a 928 for the weekends instead.

Rover.
though I think I got it's little brother right
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But ultimately there is a special place in hell reserved for SUV's - utterly pointless cars and completely the product of a questionnaire asked of a bunch of wags preserved in fake tan pumped up with botox and silicone in a shopping precinct in some [s]Cheshire[/s] Hampshire semi-rural town.

On the basis that this thread is still going on I googled the god awful Bentley Bentayga that the mum of one of the kids I teach drives who resembles the quote above (with a county tweak). I can't find a photo online that shows quite how dreadful it looks in real life. It makes the OP's Macan look pretty reasonable and modestly priced!

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Yes but the lights look nothing like a Rover 200's. It's all in the shape of the lights. Like on the front, it makes a little face and the 928/Macan looks like a far prettier face with the reg plate below the line of the lights which makes it look more like a conventional face where the mouth is below the eye level. The Rover has the mouth between the eyes - it just looks all wrong and leave a bit fat bumper, like a big double chin, and therefore loses any resemblance to the Macan. And then you've got the angle of the rear window, really raked back on the Macan/928, but much more upright on the Rover. They couldn't be more different if you tried.

Define a 'clean set of heals'. I'm not convinced a 6 yr old Seat could show a Macan a clean set of heals in the real world on real roads.

As in a diesel Macan wouldn't see which way it went.

It's 450kg heavier than a older Leon Cupra and has slightly less power

it'll muller the Seat on the bends as it will have so much more grip, and ultimately grip trumps everything.

Seriously doubt it, that extra half a tonne has to be turned, braked and accelerated out of every bend. The Macan turbo has almost 400hp to make up for its weight penalty. The diesel has just over 250hp which isn't going to set the scenery on fire in a car weighing 1900kg.

Plus the guy leasing the Macan is probably quote worried about what the finance company will say if he buries it in a hedge!

richmtb

Seriously doubt it, that extra half a tonne has to be turned, braked and accelerated out of every bend. The Macan turbo has almost 400hp to make up for its weight penalty. The diesel has just over 250hp which isn't going to set the scenery on fire in a car weighing 1900kg.

Good thing it has nearly 600nm of torque to help with that then. Luckily Porsche have had the foresight to offer faster, more powerful variants should perspective customers be concerned about racing hot hatches.

Do these type of cars ever get driven quickly? Isn't it just about fast acceleration out of a roundabout and a boot it out of a junction? Rarely do I see a Cayanne "making progress" and I've only seen a couple of Mecans around Town where the fastest speeds are gained on the ramp of Canary Wharf...

Good thing it has nearly 600nm of torque to help with that then.

Ahh torque, quoted in Nm natch! The straw that all the diesel drivers clutch 🙂

Do these type of cars ever get driven quickly? Isn't it just about fast acceleration out of a roundabout and a boot it out of a junction?