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Do you think people [i]are[/i] becoming more selfish and entitled as of late or is it just me getting older and vaguely more grumpy? I always try to be as considerate as possible and will always put myself in others heads and examine my own actions if you will. Other people just seem to be either completely ignorant or wilful in their selfishness in that they truly just do not care. Couple of examples.
.Man parked in the 'dropping off' area at the supermarket, it is clearly marked as such and he spent 30 minutes dropping off. Perhaps you wanted to drop someone elderly off or someone in a wheelchair but you couldn't coz this arsehole was parked there smoking a stinking fag.
.Several people parked over the path outside the school so people with a pram (me!) are forced to walk in the road dodging other cars, arseholes!!
.Watching a swimming lesson for my 5yr old and there's a woman with a young child who every week lets him watch ****ing peppa pig on a tablet with the sound up, headphones are like 2 quid, and then we all wouldn't have to hear about Daddy pig's latest catastrophe.
I spent 30 mins dropping off this morning.
Yes, people certainly do seem to have less patience and tolerance of the rich tapestry of society nowadays. Oh hold on... What was the question?
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lol, glad to hear it Bear. Issue 110 providing distraction?
From experience kids to teenagers are usually well behaved and dont usuallly deliberately block you, and always move if politely asked, the 30 to 50, 3/4 of them sem to have some sort of attitude disfunction, especially those driving certain brands of car, and usually wearing glasses, then there are some of the older angry lot, who will just push young people out of the way to get on oir off a train etc.
Life is changing as it always has, do your best for others and if upset, rant on a bike forum and all will be better.
It is often folks who have been dealt a poor hand in life on some way. They then take each opportunity to redress the balance and also see ieach inadvertent slight as one of a series of microagressions and so in both circumstances invest a lot of meaning into these actions.
Yes.
Lots of little acts of petty selfishness and thoughtlessness are now acceptable, whereas they would have been frowned upon previously.
I blame the relentlessly promoted cult of the individual.
Selfishness, greed and a total disregard for others, especially those less well off, are now seen as virtues, rather than the telltale signs of a selfish, arrogant ****.
As the country gets more crowded it's just going to get worse I think. I'm not talking about immigrants, just everyone living on top of each other in big cities, housing estates with as many crappy houses crammed in as possible, gridlocked roads and congested shopping centres.
From experience kids to teenagers are usually well behaved and dont usuallly deliberately block you, and always move if politely asked, the 30 to 50, 3/4 of them sem to have some sort of attitude disfunction, especially those driving certain brands of car, and usually wearing glasses, then there are some of the older angry lot, who will just push young people out of the way to get on oir off a train etc.
My experience too.
And mine.
Youngsters are almost always painfully pleasant these days.
I seem to be getting more tolerant these days. I just observe and move on.
I thin in part at least this is because I dont often drive a car, something which infuriates me.
But yeah. It's mainly middle aged adults. Youngsters are mostly decent and polite. I hope they stay that way!
2 of the 3 you mentioned involve cars, which appear to be the universal implement of choice for being a complete ****.
Though I'm pleased to see it's not just me who encounters polite teenagers - they seem to get an undeservedly bad press. Maybe it's because they haven't started driving yet?
As the country gets more crowded it's just going to get worse I think. I'm not talking about immigrants,
Mostly you are though. UK population forecast to increase by 10 million in the next 25 years. Mostly due to immigration. Congestion is going to get worse.
The ONS said: “About 68% of the projected increase … is either directly attributable to future migration [51% of projected growth], or indirectly attributable to future migration through its effect on births and deaths [17% of projected growth].”
As for people being more selfish? Can't say I've noticed. There has always been inconsiderate parking. Being in a car does bring out the worst in people but not sure it's any worse than it has ever been. All my neighbours seem to be considerate. Biggest local issue is probably a bit of litter. Almost entirely from teenagers as it happens.
Has anyone blamed Brexit yet?
Personally, I've always thought most people are inconsiderate, ignorant idiots. Nothing new, so must be that you're just beginning to notice.
Has anyone blamed Brexit yet?
Please tell me this isn't going to become your new thing. Y'know, like that bodybuilder guy pic you post on all the protein shake threads.
Boring...
Tops of mountains, everyone wants to reach the top and get a picture. That's fine but once you've got your selfie **** off the summit and let the next people have their turn don't sit and eat your lunch where you'll be in everyone elses photo. That's to you thoughtless ginger nan eating ham sandwiches in all our Snowdon photos, c#nt!!! Rant over.
Jeez rambling's got a bit uptight?
Tops of mountains, everyone wants to reach the top and get a picture. That's fine but once you've got your selfie **** off the summit and let the next people have their turn don't sit and eat your lunch where you'll be in everyone elses photo. That's to you thoughtless ginger nan eating ham sandwiches in all our Snowdon photos, c#nt!!! Rant over.
I spend a fair bit of time up hills. I can't honestly say I've ever thought 'I should make sure I'm not too close to anyone in case they want to take a picture without me in it'.
Am I a bad person, or are you just really angry?
@ PeterPoddy - Yup they use projection, distraction (look it's them over there wrecking the place), passive aggression, mobbing, emotional blackmail and lies.
Oh and support fellow ****bags (politicians pressure groups etc) on the most tenuous and arbitrary basis, subject to changes in the wind (single issues regardless of collateral damage) to achieve selfish little victories.
The first rule of fight club, always shoot the messenger 😉
This whole thread is selfish and incosiderate
On the specific issue of parking, it does seem to have degenerated into a complete free-for-all over the last few years.
Other than that, I still find most people, of all backgrounds and ages, decent.
do you live down south?
that's where it started
do you live down south?
that's where it started
I'm a Northerer but never got with this "Southerners are rude" stereotype.
I lived in London for many years and, if anything, found myself more likely to wind up in conversation with a stranger than anywhere else I've lived.
The standard/manner of driving in London is completely insane. But once people are out of their cars, they're nice again 😀
People who park in parent and baby/toddler spaces when their kids are 16,at home and playing xbox.
Same goes for disabled spaces and able bodied folk using their disabled family members badge...... Again, nowhere to be seen
Lol @ thoughtless ginger nan. Does being ginger make a nan more prone to selfish traits? I think we need to see a picture of said nan.
I think its got a lot worse. Could be my perspective but driving and parking people behave appallingly.
road rage against cyclists has certainly got worse - but I think this is a symptom of road congestion rather than anything else
CaptainFlashheart - Member
Has anyone blamed Brexit yet?
Don't be ridiculous.
We all know it was Th******'s fault.
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Absolutely OP, people only thinking of themselves. Or maybe just not thinking at all.
And Rusty, you're right,it is Thatcher's fault. Once "there's no such thing as society", this is what you get.
APF
As the country gets more crowded it's just going to get worse I think.
Or we could go the opposite direction and turn polite like the Japanese.
Rusty - glad you recognise that 😉 She did after all promote the cult of the individual and greed is good away from the communal consensus of earlier times
I was being partly serious TJ.
The transformation of greed from a sin to a virtue is her most enduring legacy.
If you think it's bad here try queuing, in Spain, with a tour bus load of Russians behind you trying to push to the front to take their selfies, smoke fags and drop litter. 😡
Everyone these days is a **** except me.
So was I rusty.
Becoming my standard response to these threads, but when you see that do you actually do anything about it? Or just tut inwardly and then post about it. Because if we accept these behaviours unchallenged, then they will become the norm and then will be harder to change.
Yes, it might be uncomfortable, it might put you 'in the firing line' of people that don't like having their unsociable behaviour challenged - but just because it's hard doesn't mean we [u]collectively[/u] shouldn't do it.
'Excuse me, hope you don't mind me saying this but your daughter's Peppa Pig videos are quite disturbing when we're trying to watch and hear what the teacher is saying. Do you think you could turn it down or get her some headphones?'
Shhhhhh..
I don't think we're allowed to be left wing on here anymore.
The current compulsory STW re education programme is fun though isn't it?
theotherjonv - I do. Sometimes it works, other times you get a mouthful of abuse.
today on a train,teenagers standing in doorway of train, always moved to let others on and off, middle aged men and women just barged past and stood in doorway blocking others.
I'm a Northerer but never got with this "Southerners are rude" stereotype.I lived in London for many years and, if anything, found myself more likely to wind up in conversation with a stranger than anywhere else I've lived.
The standard/manner of driving in London is completely insane. But once people are out of their cars, they're nice again
Agreed. As a sweeping generalisation I find southerners more open minded, then as you move further north the 'small town attitude' creeps in to the point where you feel uncomfortable if you happen to look, act etc bit different. Not so long ago I was openly mocked in Nottingham (I'm from Sutton-in-Ashfield, Notts originally) for daring to wear something deemed not part of the chav uniform, whilst walking through the Lace Market area. Nobody round here would give a damn.
I've lived in Hampshire for over 25 years.
But yeah, driving can get better further north as there's less cars about....
The transformation of greed from a sin to a virtue is Gordon Gecko's most enduring legacy.
FTFY.
Walked through local village/town today and loads of nice people. Many raising money for charity - Samaritans, Water Aid, Local Lions, Help for Heros, even a local Support for Palestine Group (photo on way to Jambas). Mrs THM and friends raised £300 in one hour singing songs about sky faries, Lots of local stands in market in the main street, considerate drivers and well-behaved children. Many smiles, laughter and friendly welcomes. The oppo even let me win in tennis today. A real society and community....
The 30 to 50 thing is interesting....it might tie in with leaded petrol and minor brain damage causing anger issues. There's been a hypothesis running for a while that falling violent crime rates in recent years are due to the removal of leaded petrol. It might be that damaged generation is making its way through the demographics. Would be interesting if falling crime rates amongs 15-20 yr olds were mirrored by increasing violent crimes amongst over 40s. I suspect that may manifest itself in Domestic violence as much as anywhere else.
There's been a hypothesis running for a while that falling violent crime rates in recent years are due to the removal of leaded petrol. It might be that damaged generation is making its way through the demographics.
It'd be interesting to see some evidence of that - if it turned out to be true the resulting class action would destroy the oil companies and force us all onto bikes and renewables 🙂 Society would be an awful lot happier...
I was out walking in the Surrey Hills today and because of failing light has to take some of the lanes back to get to the railway station - it was apparent that the bigger the 4x4 then the more inconsiderate the driver who were reluctant to move over 2ft when there was nothing coming the other way - I should point out that there are no verges or footpaths
I think it may have improved in some ways. Certainly on the roads, I notice that it is the oldest generations often give me the least consideration whilst riding. The younger folk are more clued up and better connected. Better tuned in with expected good behaviour.
On the other side of the coin we are becoming an increasingly densely populated world, and also disconnected socially in physical ways.
Many people though, I just don't understand. Like those who sit in the pick-up point, or park in disabled bay completely out of their own selfishness. I don't get how anyone can do that and not feel embarrassed. And can only assume that's the way they're wired up and will always exist.
people are a lot nicer than they were even a decade ago
kids are more respectful and people are generally more willing to be congenial
It's summin to do with social media according to some research...
Many people though, I just don't understand. Like those who sit in the pick-up point, or park in disabled bay completely out of their own selfishness. I don't get how anyone can do that and not feel embarrassed. And can only assume that's the way they're wired up and will always exist.
Definitely in some cases, but some people are just amazingly unaware and have never realised that they are causing trouble.
'There's one **** in every room. If you look around and can't see them, then it's probably you'
We discussed this, or similar, yesterday at a ride leaders course I was on for my road club. When I started riding, there was a grizzled old roadie who'd shadow you for the first few rides and 'give you advice' about your riding, gear selection, how to follow wheels, when to eat and drink, all the stuff that riding safely in a group at speed entails. Nowadays we have people on rides who have undoubted levels of fitness but comparatively poor actual skills, to the extent of being dangerous at times; overlapping wheels, unable to hold a line around bends and so on. Yet some (and I'm going to stick my neck out for a broad demographic here - middle aged, affluent, mainly men - although as this is a cycling club that is not an under represented group) just won't accept any advice however nicely given.
I was doored about 20 years ago through inexperience and it wasn't nice; it won't happen again. So when I saw a bloke shaving past parked cars I commented in a nice way that leaving a door's width gap might be safer. And he gave me a mouthful for offering it.
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confirmation bias in full effect
could you have picked a more specific demographic to draw your conclusions from?!
That's like someone asking 'has anyone noticed an unusual number of gorillas in the British countryside lately?'
and you replying 'why yes, I had noticed that.. In fact I've seen a group of gorillas almost every day this year, in my job as a zookeeper'
interesting how split we are over this. My view is that selfish behaviour has got much worse - just from what I have seen over the last 40 odd years
I also find younger folk more aggressive and unpleasant - not so much kids but people in their 20s especially women in cars. Who I have had some of the worst road rage incidents from
accepted, Yunki, but they're also the ones in the disabled spaces at the supermarkets, parking their 4x4's on the pavement to drop the kids off, so it might be a bit of confirmation bias but just because it's in effect here doesn't mean that it's not the group that causes most of these types of issues.
And agree with TJ on rubbish angry close pass drivers......
I suspect there are just as many ****s as there always were as a proportion, but we have more interactions on a daily basis as the population is higher. I also think that every generation begins to think the world is going to the dogs as they get older and harks back to some earlier, mythological golden age.
RE parking like a **** in supermarkets, I worked in Tesco in the 90s and it was just as prevalent then!
Get a spine man!
.Man parked in the 'dropping off' area at the supermarket, it is clearly marked as such and he spent 30 minutes dropping off. Perhaps you wanted to drop someone elderly off or someone in a wheelchair but you couldn't coz this arsehole was parked there smoking a stinking fag.
Block them in as close as you can get.
.Several people parked over the path outside the school so people with a pram (me!) are forced to walk in the road dodging other cars, arseholes!!
Squeeze past while something unfortunately hard and pointy scratches all the way down the side of their car, or as I often do fold in their wing mirror to get through.
.Watching a swimming lesson for my 5yr old and there's a woman with a young child who every week lets him watch **** peppa pig on a tablet with the sound up......
Tablet >>>> swimming pool. Or just ask the parent to be more considerate? Or stop getting so wound up, it's not like it's the quiet carriage on a train.
Bottling things up is not healthy. Either do something about it or adjust your own attitude to live and let live.
Any good and bad tales with intervening with folk being antisocial?
Good.
I saw some kids who where with their mother dropping rubbish just outside my front door. I asked her nicely to get the kids to pick it up and bin it. She was very embarrassed and did so. Hopefully it might make a tiny differnce
Bad ( this was debated at the time and my actions questioned by many)
Sitting at traffic lights on my bike. Car next to me the window opens and half eaten takaway sandwich in its wrappers chucked out splashing my rear wheel. I picked it up and chucked it back thru the window - cue huge rage from them and a chase around the streets with they guy really trying to knock me off my bike which ended with me crashing trying to get away. another car driver did stop and help me up tho.
Or maybe bell ends just stand out more and regular folk just pass on by.
I think that people are getting more selfish and ignorant. There's barely a trip out anywhere where I don't encounter someone exhibiting these behaviors on at least some level. From the pushy drivers overtaking parked cars, forcing you to stop, then not acknowledging you to the twunts who gasp that they've forgotten something when their shopping is being checked out and run back off into the shop to get it. To be honest, trying to tackle these people will just end up in an argument or fight and that would allow them to delay me further.
Sometimes if I have got the time, I have simply stopped my car when someone is overtaking parked cars and not given way. A stand off then ensues where I just cross my arms and stare. It usually does the trick. If pushed I will give a firm shake of the head and mouth the word 'no'. Small victories.
do you dish out that look?
Salivating at the thought of a ginger naan
i once complained on here that some lad had left all his kit in the last free space at Glentress carpark, claiming hed rserved it for his mate who was on his way...
The STW masses told me to stop whining and get over it as i recall
just saying....
That's to you thoughtless ginger nan eating ham sandwiches in all our Snowdon photos, c#nt!!!
there's only one person who sounds like a c*nt in this story, and it isn't the old lady eating sandwiches on a hill.
People are ****s, they have always been ****s. The fact that they are sometimes ****s in front of you has no bearing on whether there are more or less ****s in the world. Of course there are more ****s now than before, there are more people now than before.
What, do you suspect, drives the selfish / inconsiderate behaviour?
It's not just in the car park or highways. Corporate world. Politics. Religions. There are always those who want to get ahead no matter what, where and how.
Human nature?
A hangover of millennia past where survival of the fittest, strongest ensured that you are here today, reading and contributing to this thread. Survival gene, which technically speaking, in an ideal world and society isn't required anymore. But without it, the human species will fail due to its support of the weaker gene's.
Oops.
For me, it's a coalescence of environmental, genetic and experiential factors which really add up to someone being a ****.
I've met some pretty weak people who happen to be ****s as well.
What I'm saying is that some people are born ****s, some have it thrust upon them and some have to work at it.
They're still all ****s though.
I can't confront someone about their selfishness in public. If they haven't worked it out for themselves then they obviously think they are not doing anything wrong, so some random bloke asking them to stop will have no affect other than to piss them off. The children with devices in public with the sound up is a scurge of the modern age, I really detest it, seeing it more and more in public, in pubs when you're trying to have a quiet meal with your family 👿
Currently in lanzorote on holiday ,and the amount of Brits and Germans getting up before it's properly light just to put their towels over 4 sunloungers and not using them for hours is madness and against hotel rules but as usual no one gives a monkeys about the rules !!
jekkyl; I disagree, some people genuinely don't realise; and in any case if you don't confront it in effect you condone it.
and on the subject of being inconsiderate, women, why do you feel the need to be attached by one hand to your supermarket trolley at all times, even if it means a huge both arm stretch to the nearest tat your buying, its not your trolley, you dont own it or even the food inside it till you leave the store.
Agreed. As a sweeping generalisation I find southerners more open minded, then as you move further north the 'small town attitude' creeps in to the point where you feel uncomfortable if you happen to look, act etc bit different.
Aye. I was talking to a ****stani taxi driver in London. When I said I was from Yorkshire, he told me about his relatives in Bradford. I asked him if he'd consider moving up there. He said (and I paraphrase a bit - his English wasn't the best) "no - it's racist up north. On my street in Ealing, everyone from different backgrounds lives side by side, but up North people of different races are segregated into different parts of town."
There's some truth in that.
Currently in lanzorote on holiday ,and the amount of Brits and Germans getting up before it's properly light just to put their towels over 4 sunloungers and not using them for hours is madness and against hotel rules but as usual no one gives a monkeys about the rules !!
In a decent hotel the staff will throw the towels in the pool 😀
Aye. I was talking to a ****stani taxi driver in London. When I said I was from Yorkshire, he told me about his relatives in Bradford. I asked him if he'd consider moving up there. He said (and I paraphrase a bit - his English wasn't the best) "no - it's racist up north. On my street in Ealing, everyone from different backgrounds lives side by side, but up North people of different races are segregated into different parts of town."
There's some truth in that.
There is; it's called Bradford.
bear 😆
I think that people are getting more selfish and ignorant. There's barely a trip out anywhere where I don't encounter someone exhibiting these behaviors on at least some level. From the pushy drivers overtaking parked cars, forcing you to stop, then not acknowledging you to the twunts who gasp that they've forgotten something when their shopping is being checked out and run back off into the shop to get it. To be honest, trying to tackle these people will just end up in an argument or fight and that would allow them to delay me further.Sometimes if I have got the time, I have simply stopped my car when someone is overtaking parked cars and not given way. A stand off then ensues where I just cross my arms and stare. It usually does the trick. If pushed I will give a firm shake of the head and mouth the word 'no'. Small victories.
'kin 'ell...
Are you from up north too?
Just wondering, as it sounds like most people on here live in a different place to me.
Here in the most crowded part of the country these sort of incidents are rare as hens' teeth. People tend to get on with each other.
Can everyone posting please give their age, sex and location. Wherever you all are it sounds shit.
(53, M, Surrey, Sussex. Hants borders)
55 edinburgh
My experience of "down south" is its a lot worse - but people live in their own little bubbles there so don't notice as much? Not that I've been south for 10 years now.
it shows...
I did live in London for a year. One of the reasons I left