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mefty - MemberI was educated in a Catholic school, but I never would have sent my children to one
Which is a perfectly unhypercritical position to take.
I agree, perfectly unhypocritical.
Hang on, are you being sarcastic? It is hypocritical to aspire to give your children a better education than you had?
How about, say, if someone was beaten by their alcoholic father as a child - is it hypocritical for that person to not become an alcoholic and not beat their own child?
Hopefully, I have misunderstood your post.
I do believe it is hypocritical to slag off an organisation whilst being more than happy to take the potential benefits it offers in terms of schooling.
SFB - I wasn't commenting on your education, I was commenting on the education of your kids.
It is hypocritical to aspire to give your children a better education than you had?
even if there had been a Catholic school offering perfect results for all its students, I wouldn't have sent my kids to one. It just wouldn't have been fair to expose them to that ludicrous cant. In retrospect I wish my parents had ignored my preference and sent me to Manchester Grammar (it was nearer)
I'm frightened... 🙁
I do believe it is hypercritical to slag off an organisation whilst being more than happy to take the potential benefits it offers in terms of schooling.
1) I think the word you're looking for is 'hypocritical'
2) I would have done just as well at any school, I never took much notice of the teachers
3) I'm not going to be too hard on myself for ignorantly accepting what was offered when I was a child and learning not to take that crap any longer 🙂
I did get the spelling eventually - spell check chucked it up and I didn't look too carefully, but hey, I learnt a new word - captious.
I learnt a new word - captious
I like it!
'Hippocritical'- scrutinising, judging and commenting on large amphibious African mammals.
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Wunundred...
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www.ratemyhippo.com
they look so cute but they'd have your leg off soon as look at you 🙁
or "I don't fancy yours"...
is that an inflatable mini-hippo ?
they look so cute but they'd have your leg off soon as look at you
They're much maligned. A swan could break your arm...
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The only way a swan could break your arm is if someone used one of those 'recycle your can' squashers and turned it into a brick, then put your arm between two benches and hit you hard with the swan brick.
That would break your arm. Swans are soft as a baby's first sh1te.
It's the selling of "Pilgrim Packs" at £25 a throw that sticks in my throw. Effectively selling tickets to go and see the Pope tells me all I need to know about that religion.
I visited the Vatican once. The opulence and grandness of the place disgusted me.
Swans are soft as a baby's first sh1te
A "baby's first sh1te" is a horrible black sticky stuff that's considerably harder to clean off than the ones they do when they start drinking milk. You may want to rethink your phrase.
I think you guys need to try looking at this from a different angle.
A man who wears a dress and elaborate costumes, has retinue etc who will also be in drag, and his own special glass car will be parading through our streets. There will be people, flag waving, tacky souvenirs etc.
Dress up as Jesus or Elvis, get out there and join the fun ! Its camp if the highest order. I'm certainly heading down for a look.
And having great fun talking about it jovially in front of a couple of "marching" types at my work, who know they can't object too loudly publicly. Result !
I wonder how many paedophiles use this forum? Statistically there must be some
Didn't this thread get shut last night???
It probably should be
I wonder how many paedophiles use this forum? Statistically there must be some
Think of the children. If we can only save one child from pederasty, then anything can be justified. It's only right that we post up our best guesses, along with names and addresses gleaned from classifieds transactions 😯
Note for the hard of thinking: I'm joking.
Pretty much my point tron
It's the selling of "Pilgrim Packs" at £25 a throw that sticks in my throw. Effectively selling tickets to go and see the Pope tells me all I need to know about that religion.
Well, those other miserable buggers won't pay for it so it needs to be funded somehow.
[i]Didn't this thread get shut last night???[/i]
That's what I thought too.
Maybe higher forces have been at work.
It is unfortunate that peoples' view of the Catholic Church is consumed by these problems because it ignores the good that it does
Like .. let's see ...
[url= http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/mar/17/pope-africa-condoms-aids ]http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/mar/17/pope-africa-condoms-aids[/url]
I did ask why it had been re-opened and mods said "I reopened it as after reading through the posts I took the view thatalthough religion can often be a sensitive topic it is not beyonddebate and opinion, especially at the moment in light of the widermedia debate surrounding the popes visit and the Catholic church in awider context. As there were no serious incidences of personal abuseor other breaches of the forum rules on that thread we found we wereunable to give a valid reason as to why it had been closed when wewere asked by a contributor to the thread. And so I took the decisionto reopen the thread."
IMO many sanctimonious "holier than thou" senior level catholic clergy who impose strict and bizarre laws on their followers and make them feel awful if they break them, have been exposed as some of the World's most devious and appalling criminals.
I have no time for them and will actively avoid them. There is also no way I would send my little boy to a school with any catholic connections.
DrJ - Member
[i]It is unfortunate that peoples' view of the Catholic Church is consumed by these problems because it ignores the good that it does[/i]
Like .. let's see ...http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2009/mar/17/pope-africa-condoms-aids
This is such tired rhetoric. Most African countries have a small percentage of Catholics. So the papal influence there (real or not) would have little effect on the larger problem. If there were any truth in this often repeated disinformation we would see some relationship between the percentage of Catholics in a country and the incidence of HIV / AIDS. We don't not even if we only consider 3rd world countries.
Ironic that folks who criticise Catholics for 'blindly following' often fail to apply any critical analysis to the 'facts'/'mantra' / 'creed' that they themselves churn out at every opportunity.
or here, with countries
http://manyeyes.alphaworks.ibm.com/manyeyes/visualizations/catholicism-and-hiv-aids
I'll be able to see him from my desk as he drives past tomorrow.
Please send your rotten eggs to cynic-al, *** Princes St, Edinburgh.
Elfinsafety - MemberThe title of this thread has changed a day after it was posted, namely the spelling of the word Papal.
How did project do that?
He couldn't have done.
Maybe it was the work of God?
The pope has his finger on everything around us and now on the singletrack computer, apologies for the error getting paypal mixed up with papal but they both take your money
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-11317441
"The Vatican said the cardinal had not intended "any kind of slight", and was referring to the UK's multicultural society"
Oh dear...
who cares about balanced opinion?
If someone asked me what i thought of religion i would tell them i think "its a ****ing joke." Im entitled to my opinion and thats it. I once got asked what i thought jesus was and told the nice lady i thought he was a terrorist along the same lines as Osama Bin Laden.
Something that wont get me flamed like a tit for actually posting that then...Yes* family members may molest more children than religion but you are part of a family and have relatives end of story. You dont have to be a part of the church unless someone else forces you into it. Do you really think children (if given an adults ability to analyse situations) would join up to the catholic faith, get molested and still remain faithful?
*im takign your words on this.
Charlie, that's an eye opening graph and is very interesting. Do you know where the data has come from? I can't find any references or sources on the many eyes website.
i'd love to see a graph showing 'population growth vs catholic population (%)'
by far, the biggest, problem, we face, BY MILES, is over population.
(dodgy punctuation added for theatrical effect...)
Actually, further to Charlie Mungus' post, there are apparently 2.3 million people living with HIV/AIDS in India. India is a predominantly Hindu country, with a very small minority of Catholics.
http://www.avert.org/india-hiv-aids-statistics.htm
Hinduism does not forbid the use of contraception. Neither does Islam, mainly. The problem isn't religious objection to contraception/use of condoms, more the inability to afford it.
i'd love to see a graph showing 'population growth vs catholic population (%)'
Feel free to create one to suit your own theory, try many eyes site.
I'd love to see a graph showing 'population growth vs catholic population (%)'
Here's a map:
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Read into that what you will.
The question is not really anything to do with Hinduism or the total number of HIV infections in a given population but rather does any kind of catholic element in the population have an effect on the number of infections. If the pope says yes to condom use and THEN the incidences of HIV reduced or increased by any significant number at all then it would be fair to say that Catholicism does have an impact on the number of HIV infections one way or another. It's the change of infections as a result of a change in number of catholics in a population that would give us information of the impact of Catholicism on HIV infections. Simply measuring infections against the number of catholics is rather misleading.
Simply measuring infections against the number of catholics is rather misleading.
Yes, but I think it's being suggested on here by some that somehow Catholicism is responsible for the prevalence of AIDS/HIV, which it's reasonable to suggest is unfounded. Certainly, studies suggest poverty, education and access to condoms are far more important factors to consider.
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Catholics, condoms and AIDS
The problem is that they use their leverage to prevent charities or NGOs distributing free condoms to reduce AIDS
The catholic church is a force for evil on this and is responsible for millions of preventable deaths.
Their influence goes far beyond the followers of the religion.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/1465326.stm
http://www.guardian.co.uk/commentisfree/belief/2009/oct/08/hiv-aids-catholic-church-condoms
The catholic church is a force for evil on this and is responsible for millions of preventable deaths.
Really? You surprise me on this one Jeremy, as you're normally pretty thoughtful and open minded about stuff.
So you don't think that the lack of availability of condoms, the sharing of needles or lack of education have anything to do with the spread of AIDS/HIV? It's all down to Catholicism? Got any real evidence to back up this claim?
I won't deny that Catholic doctrine has a negative influence on this terrible situation. But to suggest that Catholicism is responsible for 'millions of deaths' is just a bit reactionary, wouldn't you say?
From you second link:
Let's get some facts straight. Condoms prevent HIV.
Wrong. Condoms [i]help[/i] prevent HIV infection. That is irresponsible journalism. Also, condoms are very often re-used in many poorer countries, especially by sex workers. This drastically reduces their effectiveness. Poor quality condoms have a much higher failure rate. Storge conditions have a marked effect on their integrity. The condom is not the one thing that will stop the spread of HIV/AIDS. It can only help slow it down.
Elfie - am am so angry about this.
The catholic church uses its influence to prevent non catholic organisations distributing free condoms.
This is responsible for millions of preventable deaths. A significant % of the deaths from aids could have been prevented if condoms had been made available.
American Evangelical churches do the same foul trick.
Condoms are he best method we have along with education for preventing the spread of AIDS. The catholic church uses its influence to prevent condoms being used anywhere by anyone.
This is responsible for millions of deaths - of this there is no doubt in my mind.
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