[Closed] Pavement cycling.

hub gears are ****

HINT: The mods are coming down heavy on SFA...still a chance to edit 🙂

EDIT: Yes, you should be on the road I'm afraid, but his overreaction was quite scary.

Your gears will be fine.

Sounds like an idiot but he's right...you should be on the road!

Yeah....

you could've kicked him. hard.

would have called the cops.

Is this a troll?

Just because you were breaking the law does not give him the right to assault you or commit criminal damage.

I believe that anything smaller than 29er/700 wheels is legally allowed to use the pavement.....otherwise little kiddies would be forced to use the roads. What size wheels did you have ?

would have called the cops.

i didnt think it was down to tyre size... IIRC its anyone under the age of 11 is allowed to ride on the pavement. but i'm probably wrong as that little nugget of knowledge seems to come from about 16 years ago in my brain.

ernie - thats a myth I am afraid. there is guidance that cops should not prosecute small children for riding on the pavement however theree is no legal exemption

ernie - thats a myth

LOL ! 😀

(I really did laugh out loud !)

It's a Brompton.

He was very big. I didn't pursue it...

TJ is correct.

You MUST NOT cycle on a pavement.
[Laws HA 1835 sect 72 & R(S)A 1984, sect 129]

Bang out of order !! Where did this happen Mr Whoppit?
I cycle with my 10 year old boy to and from school every day. We use a mix of pavement and road.
Get the odd abuse/remark from (mostly) old pedestrians, but I am always polite and give them right of way or stop for them to pass.
The little kiddies on the fringes of being out of control on their little scooters are a bigger danger to pedestrians than a responsible cyclist in full control of his bike. 💡

Pavement alongside the wall at the boundary of St Katherine's Dock, Wapping.

Giving my Brommo a kicking because he got bumped into DID seem a bit extreme, to me.

TJ fully correct, legally and morally.

You MUST NOT cycle on a pavement.

How about if I fit stabalisers to my bike?

Fine for kids to ride on pavements. You should ride on the road with the rest of the grown-ups.

I often see a couple of cops cycle past my office on the pavement having a chat and ambling along. Eases my guilt as I ride out of the office onto the pavement and just round the corner to skip the lights. Very quiet pavement though and the lights take around 5 minutes to change. I'd never ride on the pavement in a built up area but the rage above was a touch ott.

iwluap easy to say that but you don't know the circumstances.

how would you start the call .. well officer i was illegally riding my bike....

and then some judge dread style oaf assaulted me and damaged my bike.

why fit stabalisers to your bike when you can fit them.... to your shoes!

the real mans version of those awful "heelie" shoes, just glide to work

Should have kicked off unless he was really big. As long as you were been careful and considerate I think riding on the pavement for safety is fine.

Bloke was a [omit swear word] idiot who deserved at least a smack in the mouth. There's a lot of them about unfortunately.

On my ride to work, the pavement is the cyclepath. Even past the school. Bloody ridiculous, which is why I don't use it.

It's legal to cycle on the path where I live.

Has been since 1987 I believe.

why fit stabalisers to your bike when you can fit them.... to your shoes!

the real mans version of those awful "heelie" shoes, just glide to work

Real men wear pavement crampons
[img] [/img]

Surely the point is not whether it was legal to cycle where you did, but whether sad bloke could cause criminal damage deliberately to your property.

You could legitimately have called the cops, doesn't mean he wouldn't be after your house and family next though.

The bigger they are, the harder they fall. He wouldn't have got away with it with me.

maybe he was just warming up to sort out some pavement parkers

"Jesus, mate, you've got the whole fewkine road to cycle on"!

You should have lamped him for using the Lord's name in vain.

i've said it before and i'll say it again, you should have scraped his face off with a hammer drill and beat him to death with your penis... that's what real men do.

LOL @ Phil 😀

(Makes mental note to buy Big Dave a pint next time he sees him...)

Thing is, sounds like he tried to prevent you from further continuing your journey along the pavement. He could argue he was trying to impede your progress to prevent potential harm to other pavement users.

Knowing the area as well as I do, there's no reason to use any pavement round near ST Kat's dock. I'm sure there are 'No Cycling' signs up around there. Plenty of alternative routes, or be courteous and respectful to others, and get off and walk.

I suspect you'll be doing so in that area in future, and maybe elsewhere. So, in a roundabout way, the bloke's behaviour is actually morally justifiable in some ways. Understandable, certainly.

Can't have been an STWer though, or you may have ended up in the basin itself.... 😉

The bigger they are, the harder they fall. He wouldn't have got away with it with me.

Don't be silly Peter; what if the bloke had pulled out a knife and stabbed you in the face?

you're lucky he didnt have syeel toe caps on !!! (did he) ?.... 😉

steel toe-caps 😉

Don't be silly Peter; what if the bloke had pulled out a knife and stabbed you in the face

simples, PP would have turned his head sideways and the knife would've gone through the hole in his ear along with the mans arm, using his mighty lobe-strength PP would have then spun around, thus whipping the man into the air and into the wall head first causing minor bruising on the forehead... enough to teach any man a lesson i feel.

there's a lot of illegal stuff that everyone does each day. i don't like these law crusaders. anyway, in barcelona it's legal to cycle on the pavement provided that you respect and give way to pedestrians and that the pavement is at least 5m wide. that works well in a planned city with a grid-system and with wide roads. problem is that the drivers are really aggressive c*nts so going on the road is not an option.
at least in london the traffic is much calmer and cyclists are more respected (believe me they are) compared with a southern european city so normally going on the road is OK.

Fair enough, I don't know the circumstances and in no way condone the bike bashing behaviour (although I sometimes think bad thoughts about cars and wing mirrors or SPD scrapes down the side... due to poor driving) but on the whole if there is a choice between road or pavement I think it is an adults responsibilty to be on the road, set a good example and all that. I may be a prude as I don't cycle across pedestrian crossings while the lights are on red like some of my other biker commrades but that's just me.

People like that wheel crunching mother licker just want an excuse. I've had old folk shout at me as I ride the pavement; sometimes the road system asks you to go around a 3 lane filter system to reach your destination less than 10m away. I think it's better to get out of the car's way on this horrible "gyratory" than hold everyone up doing the right thing. I do stop for red lights and try and cycle as correctly as possible, but maybe the answer is get off and walk on these connecting bits of pavement?

Or people need some perspective to see that life's too short to go about "correcting" people.

Schadenfreude=pleasure at someone elses expense.

Sorry to hear that happen to you!

Im sorry but a kicked and damaged back wheel deserves an owning, pavement or not. Anyway whats all the fuss about riding on the pavement...i mean really? I dont usually ride the pavement but today due to the crappy slush on the road i did a bit of pavement which was still nice and crisp so my arse stayed dry.

Well I think the point is it's not allowed and some pedestrians don't like it. I don't think smashing someone's bike is an appropriate response to it, but try as you might, the OP riding on the footpath is still not allowed.

You not seeing what's wrong with it doesn't justify it any more than when people are stopped for speeding despite the fact they know the limit and choose to drive over it.

I ride pavements but stop for red lights....where does that place me on the ladder of wrongness?

I expect we are all pedestrians from time to time, like most of us are also car drivers. Don't get stuck in your cycling heads.

I got a bottle of coke thrown at me by a car driver for [i][b]not[/b][/i] cycling on the pavement a couple of weeks back. Damned either way!

I ride pavements but stop for red lights....where does that place me on the ladder of wrongness?

You have red lights on pavements round your way?

Bad news Woppit, well out of order on the back wheel. CCTV?

There are bits on my commute where I have no problem using the pavement especially on the busy sections of road where it's either pavement or death by lorry or bus.

I know it's illegal but I'm more interested in staying alive.

Mr Woppit, it's awful that he kicked your wheel. I suppose you should be grateful that he didn't attack you.

Maybe he knew you

MrNutt - Member
and may my God help you if we ever do meet.

I was walking on a pavement on Sunday, with a row of trees between me and the road, hedge the other side, narrow path. Very snowy and slippy. I had baby in chest-carrier thing.

Guy on a mountain bike came up form behind and squeezed through a gap that wasn't there, no warning, no "excuse me please", just barged through.

I pointed out that firstly he shouldn't be on the pavement, secondly, the road was clear of ice and snow and would be quicker and safer for him anyway. He gave me the middle finger. Charming.

He seemed to be a proper mountain biker too, judging by the clothing and bike. Shame really.

Three spokes gone, otherwise, O.K. Could have been much worse/expensive. No idea why I decided to cycle on the inside of that particular bit of pavement instead of the outside between the trees and the road...

Taxi to the station and Cycleworks in the morning.

Ah well. C'est la vie.

He may well have been Nutt. He did seem to exude a remarkably similar air of mindless violence and threat...

MrNutt is a long-haired gui-tar strumming hippy.......so I doubt it.

That must have been a hell of a kick to break spokes on a brommy wheel. They're like little tank wheels.

He may well have been Nutt. He did seem to exude a remarkably similar air of mindless violence and threat...

Ha ha! 😆

You've never actually met MrNutt, have you? Where d'you get this idea Nutt's a violent psycho from??? 😯

The bloke was out of order to kick yer wheel, I must say. A verbal rant would've been fair enough. Physical violence is a bit much, but you've gotta watch out; you don't know what else has pissed someone off, or whether this bloke has had to deal with other inconsiderate selfish cyclists in the past. Best be careful in future, use another route. At least you admit yer own failings though. It's a start.

Doesn't sound like someone possessed of Christian Forgiveness, I have to say.

bassspine - Member
That must have been a hell of a kick to break spokes on a brommy wheel. They're like little tank wheels

Indeed it was, but better the Brommo than me...

Where d'you get this idea Nutt's a violent psycho from???

From where you are obviously not paying attention, even in this thread, a mere six posts previously.

I once saw a feller clothes-line a yute who was riding his bike, with four or five of his mates, though a busy shopping arcade, far too fast. There were elderly and infirm people about, as well as people with little kids.

Several people cheered and clapped. There wasn't much sympathy for the yute. I laughed in a mocking, unkind manner. Kid stomped off, pushing his bike.

Direct action is occasionally necessary.

Did you. How interesting.

Slamming idiots against a wall who insist on riding on the pavement is fine in my book.Ride on the road that's what it is for.Riding on pavements gives real cyclists a bad name as does riding the wrong way in one way streets.

From where you are obviously not paying attention, even in this thread, a mere six posts previously.

Ok, so...

MrNutt - Member
and may my God help you if we ever do meet.

What, from [i]that[/i]? Are you serious???

Do you really believe that was meant as a serious threat of violence?

If someone came out with 'I'm going to kick your teeth out of your head and stab you in the eye with a Rotring propelling pencil', then I'd say you have cause for concern. But [i]that[/i], blimey, Woppit! 😆

I actually know Nutt, and can say that he's a lovely person. He bought me a pint and a fish pie, in the Dove in Hammersmith, a few months ago. No way is he a deranged and violent psycho!

Come and meet us sometime, then you'll be pleasantly surprised at how pleasant we actually are. 🙂

No.

And THESE little sh1ts

http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/feedarticle/9385250

have delayed my cab to the station.

National service, the lot of them.

Slamming idiots against a wall who insist on riding on the pavement is fine in my book

Well it's not really, is it? I mean, it's illegal for a start. Having a word with them is fine; being physically violent isn't. If Woppit had been riding in the kind of manner that led the bloke to believe that physical harm to someone could result, then he'd be within his rights to use 'appropriate' force to prevent such a thing. Now, as obtuse as Woppit is on here, I can't imagine he was doing such a thing, somehow.

That's appaling English, but sod it. You get the gist. 😀

Poor Woppit. Not been your day, has it? 🙁

although I sometimes think bad thoughts about cars and wing mirrors or SPD scrapes down the side... due to poor driving

I got a bottle of coke thrown at me by a car driver for not cycling on the pavement a couple of weeks back. Damned either way!

as obtuse as Woppit is on here

Just following your example, milky.

I do like to set a good example. 🙂

'Milky'?

Are the students revolting then?

Why do you think the students are s***s?

Evening all, MrWoppit is there any chance you could show us a photo of the damage?

did he look like this?

[img] [/img]

Well **** me, that does indeed look a bit like MrNutt........how uncanny 😯
Although iirc, his hair is a fair bit shorter than that.

kaesae - Member

Evening all, MrWoppit is there any chance you could show us a photo of the damage?

Well I could, but it's not very interesting - three missing spokes... Although one of them did get wrapped around the axle as I tried to cycle off.

It is clearly against the law - it says so in the Highway Code. However, laws are applied and inforced with a certain amount of guidance and common sense.

On 1st August 1999, new legislation came into force to allow a fixed penalty notice to be served on anyone who is guilty of cycling on a footway. However the Home Office issued guidance on how the new legislation should be applied, indicating that they should only be used where a cyclist is riding in a manner that may endanger others. At the time Home Office Minister Paul Boateng issued a letter stating that:

"The introduction of the fixed penalty is not aimed at responsible cyclists who sometimes feel obliged to use the pavement out of fear of traffic and who show consideration to other pavement users when doing so. Chief police officers, who are responsible for enforcement, acknowledge that many cyclists, particularly children and young people, are afraid to cycle on the road, sensitivity and careful use of police discretion is required."

I can't admit to doing it because I'm afraid, just avoiding a complicated junction and getting to work on time, along with about half-a-dozen others... I normally cycle it very carefully and mostly on the very edge between the road and the line of trees, but this morning I switched to the inside as I neared the junction where I get back on the road, as there seemed like the space to do it. Seems either he had decided to suddenly "take me down" or had simply wandered momentarily off his course, at exactly the wrong moment... and then turned into an arsehole.

isn't he allowed to break the law if it is to stop a greter crime being committed?

Don't know. Perhaps it's a Garbo maneuvre.

A what?

Pearls before very slow swine... read your post again. Or learn to spell, perhaps.

I made a typo, it's you that can't spell 'manoeuvre'

See, I got the Garbo bit. My post was pointing out the irony.

Tis a bit stupid to cycle on the pavement at any time, so I can see why he was annoyed and his comment was fair. His reaction was not.

Yesterday I got out of my car and crossed the pavement to enter the bank and some idiot came around the corner on his bike on the pavement and nearly hit me, I said idiot he slammed to a halt asking what I'd said, I repeated you idiot, he said no you didn't you said something else, I said you should not be on the pavement you nearly hit me, he said come on then do you want some, I laughed he jumped off his bike and came towards me, I laughed again he pushed me but didn't budge he got on his bike and road off, when I came out of the bank I saw him again he shouted you called me a tit I said no an idiot but I can call you a tit if you like. He was still cycling on the pavement. 🙄

So OP you are using the pavement instead of the road purely as a measure of convenience to speed your journey

That is simply wrong and I have no sympathy for you. If its that crucial then walk the bike

Recently cycling along a back street in Ambleside a guy jumped left into my path swearing about what a **** I was.

It was a bit weird but assumed he'd had a bad experience with mountain bikers previously

Also I cycle which ever way I choose whether it be on the road, pavement, footpaths, lanes - never had an issue - always pay attention to foot traffic and smile and say hello when necessary 😀

Plum