[Closed] Overtaking.

2. Proves my point re number 1. Person overtaking you obviously has better anticipation and road reading than you.

Often the case - many people seem to drive right up the arse of the truck that they are trying to overtake meaning that their visibility is practically zero. If they dropped back a bit then they would get a much better view of the road ahead and be able to see a passing oppertunity before (as molegrips put it) - someone else gets in there from behind and overtakes first. Perhaps that person behind had better visibility.

When you see an oppertunity to go and it's safe you take it - not dither around wondering if the person first in the queue is going to finally pluck up the courage to go or not. 99% of the time the person at the front of the queue does not go.

Also having a fast car opens up many more safe overtaking opportunities so I can often go when others can't or won't. Don't see why this should be a problem for anyone? It's hardly queue jumping.

There's no rules that says the person directly behind the truck must go first for the overtake. It's no wonder if people actually believe this that they get their piss boiled so easily.

You have no idea how I actually drive, btw.

Bragging aside, the same is true of everyone here. Lot of assuming going on.

The people who flash you (ie me) generally DO have every intention of overtaking, when they consider it safe.

Do you think the driver who has just pulled out to overtake you and pulled back in in front of you, without managing to make contact with your car, didn't see you?

Lot of assuming going on.

Lot of fish swimming in round wooden containers usually associated with the transportation of beer too...

I'll say it again; the psyche of the modern middle aged man seems to be intimately associated with driving and perceived ability at the same. Questioning said ability seems to be an easy way to get a completely predictable response...

As opposed to their previous two or three decades how?

Touche

(I can't find the accent for the e...)

What 'right' is there to an ordered turn at overtaking?

A moral one.

When you see an oppertunity to go you take it

No, you wait to see if anyone in front of you is going to take it first.

I find it inconceivable that people behave this way on the roads, when generally people are so polite in real life. Two people arrive at the checkout queue at the same time, it's all 'after you, no after you'. The same two people could get into their cars and act like total arseholes.

(I can't find the accent for the e...)

Alt-Gr and e is a (little known, seemingly) handy shortcut for that.

I find it inconceivable that people behave this way on the roads,

*some* people.

Not really a suitable analogy, molgrips.
It's more like someone approaching the checkout but staying about 4 foot back, faffing about and looking up and down the row for other checkouts/batteries/magazines/whatever, and then getting the hump when someone else pops in to their "space".

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Lét mé séé...

Ooh, every day is a school day! Cheers fella

molgrips - you still seem to think it's a queue when it's not. You also appear to think that the people on this thread who've commented that they'd wait to see if anybody in front wanted to overtake (and so miss an opportunity themselves) are the same impolite idiots who push in front of you.

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I thought I'd skip straight to the last page on this thread; have to say it's not what I expected.

Olé!

In the café!

That's proper bilingual accenting that is!

That giraffe is easily the best post yet.

60mph isn't a target, but you know that don't you?

But you do know that don't you?

Someone had to stick their neck out.

No, you wait to see if anyone in front of you is going to take it first.

Yep, they get a second or two. You snooze you lose... 8)

Thanks
I have an é in my surname and have never bothered to find out how to do it on a computer.
Cant overtake either , but thats more down to my uber laid back, super economy driving style.

You do know that don't you?

I knew that, but now know about the é thing, which may prove more valuable in the future...

You snoozé you losé

Come on, get with the programmé!

I knew that, but now know about the é thing, which may prove more valuable in the future...

Alt Gr doesn't work on my keyboard 😥

Next Sundaé can we have a thread about accelerating towards traffic lights that have just turned to red?

I'm hoping that this rather unexpected turn of events will allow this thread to gently expire...

I'm hoping that this rathér unexpectéd turn of événts will allow this thréad to géntly éxpiré...

You missed one!

Oh poo, I méan you misséd oné...

arsé

That giraffe is easily the best post yet.

Mais oui!

I like it that this thread has descended into ridiculousnéss.

molgrips - Member
If you're in front, you get first dibs at any opportunity. If you don't take it, it's fair enough for somebody else to.
Ah well here's a few issues.

1) What you think of as 'an opportunity' may not be the same as what I do. Just because you are prepared to cut it close DOES NOT give you the right to queue jump. Unless I've ignored miles of clear road, which in my case I won't have done.

2) Often I am ready to overtake, and I can't, because someone is already in the process of overtaking me. This boils my piss far more.

3) If I'm next in line to pass, and you overtake ME in the queue, then pull in infront of me, I'm no longer next in line. So next time there's space for one car to go, you go and I'm left behind, even though it was legitimately my turn. How can you justify this?

1. If I was able to safely overtake you already, the likelihood is that you'll dawdle again.

2. You should have moved out earlier and put your indicator on. Two benefits 1 - you get a better view, 2 - people behind know your intentions. If you have left a decent gap to the car in front, you'll easily beat out any car behind you.

3. See 1.

But Molgrips drives a milk float so it is all hypothetical really.

Gordon Bennett, I've started something here.

retro83 stop trying to hijack this giraffe and accent topic.

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chvck - Member
retro83 stop trying to hijack this giraffe and accent topic.

sörry

It's more like someone approaching the checkout but staying about 4 foot back, faffing about and looking up and down the row for other checkouts/batteries/magazines/whatever, and then getting the hump when someone else pops in to their "space".

Good analogy.

Things happen quickly in these situations. If I read some people as dawdlers/cautious then I'll overtake them and the lorry/bus etc.

Another point is that I enjoy accelerating and overtaking. It's not always to get ahead, often it's just for fun.

NRATS

it's why I ride motorbikes. Get too wound up by dawdling knobbers when I'm in the car, on the bike they barely register I'm past that quick.

I'm with Wrightyson - I've nothing against people who want to enjoy a leisurely drive but such folk need to consider other people have the desire to be somewhere sooner. The main frustration are those that dawdle until an overtaking opportunity arises and then they accelerate or those that when you do overtake get bent out of shape and flash their lights.

I'm sure the OP uses his judgement to only overtake when progress will be made whereas in rush hour traffic it's pointless.

Out of curiosity for those that have criticised the OP in a trail centre when you come up behind a slow / novice rider do you chill out and sit behind at their pace or do you force your way by?

wrightyson - Member

Before the flames, I do not drive an Audi, I am not smurfmat,
I have two children in the car, this is not a troll, just a thought.
I love driving, still even now when I've changed my fun super quick petrol saloon for a diesel estate.
However after spending an hour on the a roads today on the journey home I wish I still had that bit more under the bonnet.
Why don't we teach folk who don't want to overtake the bus doing 40 mph on an nsl road to leave a good size space for others to make progress safely rather than doing a "five car overtake"
At some points on the road I reckon you could see a good 1/4 mile. I can totally understand why the lads on bikes white line it the whole time!

The volume of traffic in 2013 is probably biggest problem -both vehicles travelling the same way and oncoming vehicles.
The ever-decreasing speed limits are an issue.

There must also be a fear of overtaking in a sizeable portion of the population.

I don't buy this "always wait your turn" nonsense. The people in front have often failed to take numerous opportunities to overtake.

The main thing is to keep looking a [b]long way[/b] ahead, preferably beyond the next couple of bends/hazards, if possible. If you can clearly see that nothing is approaching 2 bends away you can overtake (often at a steady speed or under deceleration, rather than having to accelerate) through a series of bends that the column of slow-moving vehicles will be most likely be [i]comfort-braking[/i] for, because they've not looked more than 10m beyond the end of their bonnet or the car 2m ahead of them.

Overtaking over blind crests/around blind corners is definitely a no-no, though.

I can totally understand why the lads on bikes white line it the whole time!

And why when you do overtake smoothly and safely does the bloke behind flash his lights mentally as though you've just clipped his wing whilst pulling back in!