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When you’re down to ten men, what else is any team going to do than go full Mourhino? Setting out to park the bus and doing it effectively are two different things though. Ask Arteta.
The fact they did it so comfortably and still hit you on the break looks like a problem for you, not them.
Mane wasn’t great the back of last season either. A lot of his shots threatened the corner flag or anyone sat in Row Z more than they did the keeper. Agree with you that he was lethal the season before. He was a shadow of that last season
So who do you think will threaten City this season? I’d say Chelsea, if anyone. Or can anyone come to Anfield, go down to ten men and still get a comfortable draw then?
It’ll be interesting to see which United show up tomorrow to see where we are in the grand scheme of things
So who do you think will threaten City this season? I’d say Chelsea, if anyone. Or can anyone come to Anfield, go down to ten men and still get a comfortable draw then?
I don't think anyone will, realistically, but yeah Chelsea probably most likely. I think United have got a great squad now but I still don't think Ole is up to the job tactically.
We won’t be title contenders, that’s for sure.
Thing is with Ole is that he’s still learning on the job and we all love him because he’s a bloody legend. He’s a big improvement on what came before, he’s signed some great players and we’re (inconsistently) playing good attacking football.
We’re sort of living in hope, have no desire to look for a new manager, want to give him time as the direction of travel is good, but we know we’re a long way off Citeh
Come on…. Give him some credit. His half time team talks must be epic! We’re normally two down by that point, but keep winning 😂
Anyway… Citeh have got no real centre forward and they’re not even bothered because anyone on the pitch can score. As they showed today. And then you look at their bench.
Mane was rubbish last season, talk was he was tired and needed a proper break which he had this summer. I'm starting to think he's lost it. Given Firmino is also well off the pace, I think Liverpool badly need some attacking backup
As a non affiliated football fan (well Reading excepted) I've always had a soft spot for Arsenal. I never forget, open-mouthed watching in 1989 when they beat Liverpool at their impenetrable fortress. But sadly their philosophy seems to be style over substance and I'm afraid this is a legacy of the latter years of Wenger.
The they need another George Graham.
Ole’s had 2.5 yrs binners - and spent loads. Somethings wrong if you aren’t title contenders this year and you’re satisfied with that. Or is an increase in Man U toothpaste sales in Singapore enough to constitute a good season?
I’m also worried about Chelsea - they look solid! Although VVD and Matip showed how to look after Lukaku.
I know I get tired of saying it, but the problems at United are little to do with the manager. The clubs owners are parasites who couldn’t give a shit if they were running a football club or selling vacuum cleaners. They’re just trying to extract as much cash for themselves as possible.
We’re realists. This is as good as it’s going to get for us while those ****s are still at the helm.
How can we compete with a club who’s owners are the opposite? It’s not just about the money, it’s the mindset
Our club is just a cash cow for a gang of American leeches. City is a billboard for Middle Eastern Murderers with unlimited funds to make people not think of them as Middle Eastern murderers. They don’t care what it costs
Blimey, I'd like to see how powerful Man U would be without these "blood suckers". Many clubs can only dream of that buying power.
When the Glazers bought United, with borrowed money that they then loaded onto the club, making their debt it’s debt, United were profitable and debt-free
Since then they’ve been saddled with servicing billions of debt, propping up their other failing businesses and paying the hundreds of millions they award themselves in ‘consulting fees’
So everything’s relative
Go to Old Trafford and see how the stadium compares to Spurs or Citeh. It’s embarrassing
Where we sit, if you go for a beer at half time, it’ll be warm because the fridges don’t work. They’ve been broken for about 4 seasons now. Do you think Joel Glazer gives a shit?
That to me sums up their attitude to the club and the fans. As the rain comes in through the knackered roof of the stands, and in Manchester it ALWAYS rains, they couldn’t give a flying ****
I know I get tired of saying it, but the problems at United are little to do with the manager.
I get the point about debts and extracting money etc but how United have spent loads. Liverpool managed to walk the title spending much less, I don't get why you're happy not expecting to challenge for the title.
You've now got Pogba, Sancho, Ronaldo, Fernandes, Cavanni - even Maguire is looking good. If you had a manager with some nous you'd be well in contention imo.
Fair enough. Up until recently Reading were one of the best run clubs in the sub Premier League until we got a dodgy son of of dodgy Russian oligarch who was broke. Then we got the only Chinese industrialist who made useless zinc buckets. We're also depressed.
We’re at the point of years, well over a decade - of catastrophic mismanagement and parasitic money-leeching
So you can’t make the comparison with other clubs. You have to ask where we’d be if we hadn’t been owned by these shysters.
Not where we are now, that’s for sure
Everything is viewed through the prism of how little they can spend while maintaining ‘the brand’ while extracting the most money for themselves
You must know this from having Stadler and Waldorf in charge? Reckon you’d have had Klopp in charge and a final title (after 30 years) if they’d still have been your owners? Of course not! You’d be finishing 7th again
Another hideous Man U away kit, they won't win owt in that!
The bloody awful kit is the least of our worries at the moment
Nice to see our tradition from last season of refusing to turn up for the first half is still going strong.
If they had shooting boots on, we’d going in at half time with our usual two goal deficit
We’ll god only knows how we got away with that?
De Gea was out man of the match. Fred was definitely theirs. He’s an absolute bloody liability!
A new record - 28 away games undefeated - and I’m as mystified as anyone as to how we’ve managed it 😳
COYS !
Just saying
Always a joy to see Graeme Souness really really pissed off.
It’s a bit rich listening to him moaning about ‘physical’ challenges
It’s the sign of champions Binners, playing rubbish and winning!
I did like Souness back in the day, Intimidating and and a very good player.
Messi's on for PSG
Must admit it really is something seeing binners complain about the owners while spending more on wages and transfers than virtually every other team! Glazers are honking but give it a rest!
Speaking about honking, anyone see Burnley today? No wonder no one else wants Dyche, he plays anti-football and Ashley Barnes is an utter disgrace. Saying that, Leeds were poor and probably lucky to get a draw. Some of the Championship side have worryingly reverted to Championship standard and with no real investment (after 100m last summer) it could be a long season.
So was Daniel James sold just to give Ronaldo the number 7 shirt?
Cavani wears number 21 for Uruguay, which James used to wear, this would then free up the number 7.
binners
Full MemberEverything is viewed through the prism of how little they can spend
https://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/manchester-united/alletransfers/verein/985
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So Man U have spent more this season than Liverpool have in the last 3 seasons combined (in which time Liverpool have won the CL and the PL). But somehow the Glazers are the problem and the manager is doing fine. Ooooooook then...
*sigh*
How many times do we have to go over this? Yet again it would appear. It’s not about ‘absolute’ amounts.
The problem isn’t the amount of money being thrown around (they’re making plenty as United is a huge money-generating machine, but they’re still sucking hundreds of millions out of the club for themselves), it’s the totally incomprehensible manner in which it’s being spent.
With Klopp at Liverpool there’s a philosophy and direction and players are obviously bought in to fit into a system. The manager is calling the shots
At United it’s completely scattergun, with no comprehensible strategy to anything at all. It’s clear that transfers are decided in the boardroom and not by the manager, mainly on the strength of replica kit sales. We need a decent holding midfielder (in fact, we need two)… let’s buy another forward instead
How else do you explain the ludicrous Sanchez transfer? Or Van De Beek not figuring at all in Ole’s plans but him arriving anyway, playing for about 5 minutes, and now apparently going out on loan.
The club is just appallingly mismanaged
But fair play to Arsenal. They’ve looked at that particular business model and said “hold my beer…”.
They’ve spent more than us, haven’t they?
Arsenal have spunked money up the wall, willy nilly. Edu is out of his depth.
The best bit of business we could have done was get rid of Xhaka. Failed.
Tickets will be cheaper in the championship next season right?!
I thought our transfer dealing was mad - West Ham desperately want to sign Lingard but he’s back at OT to sit on the bench for a season then go on a free - but Arsenals are absolutely insane!
binners
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*sigh*How many times do we have to go over this? Yet again it would appear. It’s not about ‘absolute’ amounts.
The problem isn’t the amount of money being thrown around (they’re making plenty as United is a huge money-generating machine, but they’re still sucking hundreds of millions out of the club for themselves), it’s the totally incomprehensible manner in which it’s being spent.
With Klopp at Liverpool there’s a philosophy and direction and players are obviously bought in to fit into a system. The manager is calling the shots
Sound more like solskaer needs to grow a pair of balls then.
Really? At the end of the day he’s an employee who can be sacked on a whim. Well it was exactly the same for Maureen, LVG and Moyes beforehand
Any United manager is in the same boat. It’s been Ed Woodward calling the shots. The Glazers representative on earth. And his priorities have always been business incomes, not trophies
well aye, he could walk.
Well Ed Woodward is apparently leaving at the end of 2021 so I guess we will see eh.
He’s meant to be gone already
He’s still there
And what makes you think a change of personal as CEO will change anything? He’ll just be replaced by one of the same ilk. The ethos will be exactly the same
The Mike Ashley school of football club ownership
Well not many big moves for transfer deadline day - aside from United signing some old bloke up front, like they do each year.
Saul Niguez to Chelsea albeit on loan was a bit odd, given how many players they have. Maybe it was pre-emptive, to stop him going to United or Liverpool, who were linked earlier in the summer?
And PSG turning down £150m for Mbappe despite knowing he’ll leave on a free next summer shows how much cash they have!
It does make you wonder how on earth PSG are getting around the FFP rules
The best lawyers and brown envelopes I should think.
binners, what's it liked to be spanked by young boys ? 😉
It does make you wonder how on earth PSG are getting around the FFP rules
Wasn't FFP suspended during the pandemic? Not sure if it is supposed to have returned but Man City proved it's basically meaningless anyway.
binners, what’s it liked to be spanked by young boys ?
What's it like to park the bus at the ****dorf but still lose?
Wasn’t FFP suspended during the pandemic? Not sure if it is supposed to have returned but Man City proved it’s basically meaningless anyway.
As a man city fan FFP did impact the club and did curtail the spending - we paid a fine and had a reduced squad imposed in 2015 relating to expenditure going back to 2010. But that was not enough for some elements within UEFA and they tried to reopen the issue, those subsequent efforts to go after the club again were implemented with a biased methodology and used techniques that would not stand up in court. City stood their ground and it went all the was to CAS and City won - all of it relating to spending almost 10 years prior by the time it went to CAS. In the interim period City have been fully FFP compliant. Note the main accusation is that the sponsorship deals are not sufficiently independent and of fair value - a claim that was found to have no evidence by CAS.
In latter years the Italian clubs were caught up in it and obviously it was never meant to hinder the old guard so it got watered down a fair bit. Covid has thrown another spanner in the works and its been watered down again and is under review as obviously most clubs are making massive losses.
– a claim that was found to have no evidence by CAS.
I think you have a highly selective memory of what happened. IIRC they mainly got away with it on a technicality because some of the breaches were too long ago.
Also:
Manchester City have lost a ruling by the court of appeal, which confirms that the Premier League is continuing to investigate the champions for alleged breaches of financial fair play, with one of the judges stating part of the club’s argument was “entirely fanciful”.
City’s legal team did not want it reported that it was challenging the jurisdiction of Premier League arbitrators to investigate the case and that it was also fighting a request to disclose documents and information to the panel.
That's from July this year.
I think you have a highly selective memory of what happened. IIRC they mainly got away with it on a technicality because some of the breaches were too long ago.
As above - they didn't get away with it. They paid a fine and had a squad restriction imposed in 2015 relating to accounts going back to 2011 when FFP was pretty new. It was the 2nd attempt to punish City that was timed out but not only was it timed out it was found to have no evidence. Or the evidence that was presented was from hacked and manipulated emails.
It was claimed by City that the UEFA adjudicatory committee “wrongly assumed that the criminally obtained documents are genuine”, when they said it was obvious that at least some of the documents have been “edited to achieve a particular presentation”.
They also made the claim, accepted by CAS, that some of the financial “arrangements” discussed in the email had never come to fruition.
City said the leaked emails were “confusing snapshots, taken out of context, of matters that simply did not happen in the way that has been portrayed.”
The panel agreed that the CFCB adjudicatory committee had failed to reach the standard of proof required, and that the fairness of the market values of the sponsorship agreements was never questioned.
So it's been to CAS and they found in city's favour. A spectacular failure for UEFA, they were timed out by their own rules and in any event had zero evidence that would stand up in court but most of the press coverage was along the lines of your post above not withstand the CAS decision. The PL are trying the same issue - its PR more than any legally valid arguments.
They got off on a technicality, come off it. You've really drunk the Abu Dhabi Koolaid haven't you.
binners, what’s it liked to be spanked by young boys ?
I watched the second half though my fingers. Absolutely awful
I eagerly await them turning up at OT and find out if they're any better than us at parking the bus for 90 minutes
Thankfully I missed the Man U game; Ole seems great at building a squad and picking a team but his in-game management is bonkers bad.
In this case there wasn’t much he could do about a red card (although most fans thought Dalot was a better pick than AWB for this game) and stupid back pass (from a player who should clearly have been sold to help fund a decent CM) but it’s not the first game where his subs have had little impact and players have seemed confused about what they should be doing.
I genuinely looked for our fixture in the Europa league and then promptly remembered we're not in Europe. The joys of being an Arsenal fan. I'm glad I'm just a football fan and do like watching many other games!
Ole seems great at building a squad and picking a team but his in-game management is bonkers bad.
The substitutions did seem completely inexplicable