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Shy No Factor?
Maybe - though would that affect an anonymous poll?
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Doesn't really add up does it? 😕
One poll goes in the separatists favour (after the don't knows have been removed 😉 ) and they think they have it in the bag.
Most definitely not in the bag,
Most definitely not in the bag,
yes it is
http://order-order.com/2014/09/02/brown-effect-gap-closes-12-points-since-gordon-joined-no/
Jonah curse in full effect
It's only in the last week or so that I've started to believe it might actually happen, but the only poll that really matters is on the 18th.
We just need some more Lords sent up here to explain the error of our ways, a handful more of knighted celebrities, and some fitba personalities.
That should swing it... 🙂
Gordon is enough..........
Interesting that Yessers are happy to suggest that Gordon Brown (a man who has spent his entire life living and working in Scotland) is being "sent up here" as if all Naysayers were English being directed by English people. Nice.
The poll also shows that trust in all the other party leaders is much, much lower than that for Salmond and Sturgeon.
Sounds a bit fishy to me.
konabunny - Member
Interesting that Yessers are happy to suggest that Gordon Brown (a man who has spent his entire life living and working in Scotland) is being "sent up here"...
Perfectly understandable. He's been spouting so many lies and misinformation that he has been mistaken for a Bullingdon Boy... 🙂
Strange, I'd have thought that would result in him being mistaken for Alex.
My "event" is a weekend thingy and just spent the last hour in a bar with 2 MPs - lab and Tory - and had a more senior Tory at the dinner. Giving them a bloody hard time at such a lacklustre effort especially with 51% flashing on the screens behind us. Bloody Tory senior member still confident. Labour less so and then had the cheek to say what are we doing about it. That Joe Public should be knocking on doors of No voters. I tried to remind him what "representative" government meant but to no avail. TBF, at least he cared.
They explained the tactics that they have been advised to use in debating with the DO - total bllx advice they have been given IME but it explains some of the debates and their (mistaken) approach.. Fascinating last hour if frustrating.
49/51 but who knows which way. No clear mandate. Unnecessary uncertainty. Bloody chaos. What a buggers muddle.
Independence will be better than the federalism that BT are now talking of offering the Scots. That would just lead to even more political inequality.
Ok, and with that Panelbase poll my tinfoil hat conspiracy theory is looking more plausible.
Independence will be better than the federalism that BT are now talking of offering the Scots. That would just lead to even more political inequality.
I'll leave aside the merits of Federalism.
But what a ****ing stupid time to bring it up by Westminster. This close to the vote, It's less a chance for real change and more about winning votes at any cost.
That said, two weeks to the vote it's no surprise. Always expected silly season to be in full swing.
I would hope that the people of Scotland are too astute to fall for that cheap political play.
Calm down dear! It was bound to happen that some of the undecideds would choose the Yes side. I think this is a contrived effort to frighten the apathetic Nays into turning out.
It's interesting that the 'don't knows' have only dropped to 2% since the 7th August.
But No has gone from a 20% lead to a 2% deficit. Which suggests there's a lot more going on than undecideds committing to Yes.
Calm down dear! It was bound to happen that some of the undecideds would choose the Yes side. I think this is a contrived effort to frighten the apathetic Nays into turning out.
Oi! back the **** off, that's my conspiracy theory 👿
Frankly I distrust any opinion poll, no matter its methodology. The vote may be closer than first anticipate but I still expect a No. I'll be pleasantly surprised if that isn't the case and making plans to be the first asylum seeker...
The Yes camp will get their vote out a lot easier than the No camp, I suspect that the result will hinge on the turnout.
If it's a high turnout, No will probably prevail, the No camp just have to get them out for that to happen though.
Hence the attempt to startle them into turning out.
@THM
Bloody Tory senior member still confident
😯
Frankly I distrust any opinion poll, no matter its methodology
I spent 4 years as a senior analyst for one of the biggest market research companies in the UK and I can confirm that more often than not the results were made up, or at least a significant portion were. Tell the client you'd interview 5,000 people, only interview 3,000 to save money then make the other 2,000 up...
I would hope that the people of Scotland are too astute to fall for that cheap political play.
The evidence of them believing any old guff Alex tells them would suggest otherwise.
Well that was impressive - the promise of lots of new powers lasted about 6 hours,tuns out there aren't going got be any new powers after a No vote. I wonder if the a Electoral Commission had a word?
That's pretty mean.Why not just let the English refugees cross the border to Scotland unshot?
They'd be welcome
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Nigel Farrage would be very welcome...
...as target practice 😉
Meanwhile, I predict carnage in Edinburgh when the Orange Order marchers get their knuckles stuck in the tram tracks.
A question I've been wondering recently. Should we end up independent, would a mortgage on a Scottish property held by a company based in England have its interest rate determined by rUK interest or by Scottish interest rates?
You can't answer that now. We don't even know what currency Scotland will use. You couldd end up with an asset, your home, in one currency and a loan In another. If you keep the loan then it's rate would be set by the UK bank in relation to UK rates. If Scotland creates a shadow currency (or euro) you would probably be best served getting a local Scottish mortgage. Another point if interest is that UK banks would probably view mortgages on properties in a different country as unattractive and would be less likely to grant them in the future and would probably try and sell the loans to a local bank
Either way the vote goes, the polls show Scotland is clearly a divided country. If they stay in UK then the Nationalists will continue to campaign for independence, leading to continued uncertainty.
If they leave I would imagine the Unionists will be doing their very best to expose the lack of evidence for Salmond's claims of increased wealth, which at it's most extreme might lead to a reversal.
Back in the land of stark reality however, investors both large and small are already pulling money out of Scotland in the face of the uncertainty which will have an immediate impact at a time when our 'recovery' is very tentative + over the longer term independence could directly lead to Scotland become poorer as it becomes less attractive to outside investors...
Either way, it's not what the UK needs at a time of such economic delicacy... we need some certainty and reason to be confident about the future... Salmond is making it worse for the whole of the UK, and very few of us voted for him or can vote him out...
Either way, it's not what the UK needs at a time of such economic delicacy... we need some certainty and reason to be confident about the future... Salmond is making it worse for the whole of the UK, and very few of us voted for him or can vote him out...
Well said.
kjcc25 - MemberEither way, it's not what the UK needs at a time of such economic delicacy... we need some certainty and reason to be confident about the future... Salmond is making it worse for the whole of the UK, and very few of us voted for him or can vote him out...
Well said.POSTED 3 MINUTES AGO # REPORT-POST
Aka know your place proles...
bencooper - Member
Meanwhile, I predict carnage in Edinburgh when the Orange Order marchers get their knuckles stuck in the tram tracks.
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The imagery of that made me laugh out loud and choke on my coffee - you owe me a keyboard.
Just a bit of anecdotal info. I was out for a ride today with the Veteran Cycle Club. I figured there would be a pretty even split, but there was only 1 Don't Know out of 6 and no Nos.
Also just about every lamp post is festooned with YES posters whereas the NOs only appear every few hundred yards. That suggests more grass roots activity from YES - although I have heard the nobs who run the "grass roots" NO campaigns don't actually put up their posters, they have a contractor (no idea if that's true).
There's lots of house with YES signs in their windows and in the entire ride I only saw 1 NO on a private house.
At the cafe stop and around town, Yes badges were very prominent, didn't see any No .
If there actually is a silent NO majority, they should get out there and push their case, and remember the words of the bard
Wee, sleekit, cowran, tim'rous beastie,
O, what a panic's in thy breastie!
Thou need na start awa sae hasty,
Wi' bickering brattle!
(I'm in the Highlands.)
Edit:
I asked what people thought of the economic side of things. Some believe the SNP, others are working on the principle that so many outright lies and scare stories have come from Project Fear that they simply don't believe a word that they say.
Nice to see that Ben thinks taking the piss out of other peoples religious beliefs is still fair game in NuScotland...
and you still don't know what currency you will be using in an iScotland.... 😳
Nice to see that Ben thinks taking the piss out of other peoples religious beliefs is still fair game in NuScotland...
Where did he do that?
Nice to see that Ben thinks taking the piss out of other peoples religious beliefs is still fair game in NuScotland...
Nope, just the Orange Order. But don't let the facts get in the way of your whinge.
Nice to see that Ben thinks taking the piss out of other peoples religious beliefs is still fair game in NuScotland...
I think it's always fair to take the piss out of other people's beliefs, religious or not. However, in this case, I was taking the piss out of a bunch of moronic bigots who use religion as a foil for their stupidity. I wasn't taking the piss out of their religious beliefs - I doubt most of them can even name their religious beliefs beyond "F*** The Pope".
and you still don't know what currency you will be using in an iScotland....
Nope. Don't care either. We'll get independence then sort things like that out later. What will be interesting is watching Osborne desperately row back from the "no currency union" thing.
This is pretty:
What will be interesting is watching [s]Osborne[/s]Salmond desperately row back from the "[s]no [/s]currency union" thing.
FTFY
brooess - MemberSalmond is making it worse for the whole of the UK, and very few of us voted for him or can vote him out...
You think Salmond singlehandedly created this situation? Give over. The success of the independence campaign is entirely due to the general dissatisfaction of Scottish people with the UK, the SNP don't create that, they just thrive on it. That didn't come about overnight, the fingers of blame can be pointed more places than I can count, over generations.
And that did come from westminster government after westminster government- you might not have had the chance to vote SNP but you did have the chance to vote for the people who created today's knife edge.