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The only thing the independence campaign care about is greedily keeping the oil money for themselves.
Yup, it's incredibly greedy for people to want to hang on to their country's natural resources and spend or save them wisely. We should give them away like all other countries do.
It would be convenient to have membership of both [EU & NATO], but it's not an essential, just an extension of the period of adjustment to being independent.
In your world. As an FD of a business which exports the majority of its output to the EU, any "adjustment" is something I can't afford. You can talk about the long term all you want but you've got to get through the short term to get there and the short term is quite hard enough thanks.
I have a suspicion that Cumbria (and large parts of the North of England) probably has a lot more in common with Scotland than the South of England
That works two ways of course - the people of the Borders (Cf. the Marches and Reiver country) have a lot more in common with the Northern English than they do with the Highlanders.
That works two ways of course - the people of the Borders (Cf. the Marches and Reiver country) have a lot more in common with the Northern English than they do with the Highlanders.
I've said it many times - I reckon the cultural border crosses somewhere around the north of Birmingham. I'd be happy to split he UK at that point and I suspect that many of the people that live in the northern wastelands would do the same. 😉
oldbloke - Member
In your world. As an FD of a business which exports the majority of its output to the EU, any "adjustment" is something I can't afford. You can talk about the long term all you want but you've got to get through the short term to get there and the short term is quite hard enough thanks.
Better than the long term exit of the UK from the EU.
I have owned substantial businesses (before retirement), and so I think it's safe to presume you have suitable contingency plans in place for either scenario.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-politics-28968927
There may be a chance for some of you here yet 😀
You could as well split Scotland across the highland fault line and give independence to Orkney and Shetland then. They could also have their oil.
Better than the long term exit of the UK from the EU
How better? Possible uncertainty as opposed to a yes vote being definite uncertainty? It is not better, honestly, is it.
Still can't quite see UK exit happening. It would require a Tory majority in Westminster for a start and despite Ed Milliband's best efforts I can't quite see that being what runs the next Parliament.
[url= https://au.news.yahoo.com/a/24817901/scottish-referendum-yes-vote-to-independence-could-leave-australia-without-head-of-state-expert-says/ ]I was wavering, but then I realised I could cause shit to the Australians[/url]
Yup, it's incredibly greedy for people to want to hang on to their country's natural resources and spend or save them wisely. We should give them away like all other countries do.
Damned right you selfish barstad. What about the rich people, they need tax breaks paying for.
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That graphic is why I don't think we're better together. It shows me precisely why Westminster does not have Scotland's best interests at heart. English waters north of Aberdeen - **** off.
The third person was from the start a No voter, right up until he was filling in his postal vote. Said gut instinct kicked in and he felt sick, he sat for an hour with a drink thinking it through and couldn't in the end allow himself to vote No. So Yes it was.I think it is going to be so close.
If my Tuesday night hill running mob is representative of Scotland as a whole (which I'm pretty sure it is) it's going to be a Yes vote at about 90% of the votes.
Shame none of the polls agree with you 🙄
Don't forget all the oil on the Clyde too, what utter pish.
Shame none of the polls agree with you
This is true, and tbh I don't share Epicyclo errr, epic confidence. When it comes to the result I don't know what will happen.
Yes voters, the more vocal ones. Are increasingly confident however, how much is based on genuine rise for support, I've no idea.
Polling for this referendum is a bit more tricky than usual elections however. It's an unusual event. I wouldn't be over confident in their accuracy tbh.
The polls could very well be out by a certain amount either way
Yes voters, the more vocal ones. Are increasingly confident however, how much is based on genuine rise for support, I've no idea.
My thinking is that when and prior to the referendum debate kicking off Yes voters were by far the quietest of the two and least likely to come out and show their support.
The subject was new to a lot of people and it was much easier for No voters to be vocal against the idea of independence as initially they were seen to have a huge majority. All that has happened is that it has taken some time for the Yes voters to find their voice and realise that they are not in as small numbers as was initially thought. With this realisation comes the confidence to speak out more and maybe now making up for 'lost time'.
and yet it's nowhere near being the top topic of discussion with anyone I talk to, even though the media seem to keep banging on about it. I think it was said away up there ^ that it's too esoteric for most folk.futon river crossing - Member
So will iScotland be able to secure a CU?? Yes or No !!! This [i]seems[/i] to be the central question of the campaign.
My observations from a 2-day circumnavigation of the Cairngorms are that both campaigns are now almost equal on the "Lamp-post Challenge". However, while most other YES posters are being displayed in the gardens and windows of ordinary houses, the massive NO banners are mostly located in fields or the grounds of houses that can't be seen unless you dare go past the gate lodge
AW oh, squeaky bum time. Even the daily mail is panicking! 😆
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AS is going to do a Robert Mugabe
so just to recap: we've got Ben that thinks Scotland was a one party state and you that thinks Scotland will be a one party state. enjoy this brief window of multiparty democracy while it lasts, lads!
piemonster - Member
This is true, and tbh I don't share Epicyclo errr, epic confidence...
But it's based on the polls.
They have wildly understated the actual result for the SNP each election I've seen since I returned to Scotland, so I have made a wild allowance for that.
Thus if the polls say level pegging, it's got to be a landslide. 🙂
20 days...
this is my biggest hope. I've no idea how it will turn out and I'll abide by the result(until the campaign starts up again 😆 ), but I've a feeling the polls aren't taking into account to reactivated scheme vote! The masses are rising! 🙂Thus if the polls say level pegging, it's got to be a landslide.
Well it seems none of you have any confidence in Salmond securing CU! If it's yes, it'll certainly be interesting, just imagine how big this thread will become 😉
Don't really think it's a lack of confidence, just a lack of importance.
Well it seems none of you have any confidence in Salmond securing CU! If it's yes, it'll certainly be interesting, just imagine how big this thread will become
The persistence of the No campaigns hammering away on the CU subject isn't for Yes voters. It is (in theory) for the undecideds and the No voters.
It's those you want to ask, if you want a response from someone that considers it important to which way they'll vote.
They have wildly understated the actual result for the SNP each election I've seen since I returned to Scotland, so I have made a wild allowance for that.
It's not an election. Your not voting for the SNP.
The FTs take on the issues of polling and lack of useful comparable data.
http://www.ft.com/cms/s/0/1d9028a0-2d49-11e4-aca0-00144feabdc0.html#axzz3BiepppEB
The subject was new to a lot of people and it was much easier for No voters to be vocal against the idea of independence as initially they were seen to have a huge majority. All that has happened is that it has taken some time for the Yes voters to find their voice and realise that they are not in as small numbers as was initially thought. With this realisation comes the confidence to speak out more and maybe now making up for 'lost time'.
Curiously, it's the No voters amongst those that I know who feel they have no voice. And are keeping quiet in the face of a very vocal Yes movement that believes (rightly or wrongly) it has the moral high ground.
I met some young conservatives recently. They seemed very earnest, but I wasn't convinced they represented my best interests. Too much tweed and elbow patches. Which really seems to be a key difference between the two movements, as Scotroutes alluded to, Yes signs are primarily on peoples gardens/hedges etc, No thanks banners are generally on farm land (from what I've seen)
On the vandalism front, I've seen a couple more damaged/removed Yes signs.
Not really. My point still stands, no has given Salmond an endorsement.
piemonster - Member
"They have wildly understated the actual result for the SNP each election I've seen since I returned to Scotland, so I have made a wild allowance for that."
It's not an election. Your not voting for the SNP.
I realise that, and that's why I am so optimistic. The vote will not be along purely party lines, but on the issue.
This time there's a load of other voters supporting independence, eg "Labour for Independence", "LibDems for Independence", and even Tories "Wealthy Nation", whose votes would have gone along party lines previously.
Those previous polls seriously underestimated the actual vote for a party whose main platform was independence, so I am assuming and hoping they are using the same techniques for the referendum.
19 days to go....
I'll have a mooch around and see if I can find the relevant articles. But I believe that at least some of the official polling companies are weighting their results to 'try' to account for the referendum factor rather than just repeating the election methodology.
Can't for the life of me remember who said that or where.
I am assuming and hoping
In an event as unusual as this, I wouldn't assume anything. My gut instinct is telling me that I should place a cheeky wee bet whilst the odds are still favourable for a good return.
Hmm, actually.
I'm not a gambling man but I can spare £20.
The subject was new to a lot of people and it was much easier for No voters to be vocal against the idea of independence as initially they were seen to have a huge majority. All that has happened is that it has taken some time for the Yes voters to find their voice and realise that they are not in as small numbers as was initially thought. With this realisation comes the confidence to speak out more and maybe now making up for 'lost time'.
I disagree. 6 months ago this thread was started at a time when yes supporters were barracking politicians. What do you know 6 months later this is still continuing. Yes supporters have always been noisier. I have already postal voted no, and have never voted UKIP, BNP, Tory and certainly don't live in a country estate. I am very wary about saying I am a no voter in public, and don't know how much I take part in parties if the result is yes. I may even have to lie about how I voted.
I may even have to lie about how I voted.
I know some that already are. Okay, just one. The individual in question feels somewhat intimidated.
I do wonder how I'd be feeling if my social and work circumstances were different. I'm quite isolated from the general Hoi Polloi. Work involves a ridiculously disproportionate number of ex light blue uniform types.
And socially, I only really know hill runners, cyclists, and scientists. Again, with an unusually high number of non-Scots in that equation.
Looks like the establishment is pretty keen to push the undecided voters into a Yes vote 🙂
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And socially, I only really know hill runners, cyclists, and scientists. Again, with an unusually high number of non-Scots in that equation
Yes, me too, and most are voting Yes - though that may be because this is the West End. Ish. Okay it's Maryhill. But we got in Le Monde 😉
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big_n_daft - MemberProject feart again I see
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Or quotes from among others the current and possible future PM's
former Mirror editor now talk show host
How old is the poster?
Or quotes from among others the current and possible future PM's
Piers Morgan? The UK really is ****ed 😀
There seems to be surprise in two things
1. The amount of spending by the UK Government is being reduced - after all we want to pay less tax. This means that the block grant to Scotland will be reduced.
2. The method to determine the size of the block grant, the Barnett Formula, is going to be reviewed. Given that the formula was developed in the late 1970's as a short term solution, it should be reviewed.
Neither of these are new items. Perhaps people in Scotland should ask themselves how all the measures in the BoD will be paid for? Reduction in pension age, reduction in Corporation Tax, protecting and increasing the NHS budget, free university education (and that would also include UK students if Scotland joins the EU) and building an oil fund. The revenue from tax AND oil does not cover the current Scottish Government budget - so it will not cover these changes. The cost of setting up a new state (£1.5Bn) pales into insignificance.
I've just put my money where Epicyclo's mouth is.
That is NOT a euphemism. 7/2 btw.
Never placed a bet before.
I can't be arsed going into all points, but the free uni one is easy, you just make a charge for uni education and give scottish students a grant regardless of circumstance.sadmadalan - Member
free university education (and that would also include UK students if Scotland joins the EU)