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we evolved in tandem with that really clever uniquely human thing we do called cooking
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Human's closest genetic cousin.
Eats meat.
Can't cook.
Still has massive incisors.
The parents wishes- what about a childs? Should we subdue free choice?
[b]Hora Junior[/b]: I am a free spirit, it is my desire to stay up all night playing the drums and singing Cold Play songs. If I get thirsty, I shall drink my own piss.
[b]Hora[/b]: I believe in free choice son, you crack on.
The key point in Binners tale is that the kid was old enough to express their own opinion about what they wanted and chose the maccy-d's - beyond that point their parents opinion doesn't matter a jot.
My daughter sometimes sees me wandering about naked*. What if someone else's daughter wanted to see me wandering around naked too?**
*Not in McDonalds. Not after the last time.
**And who could blame her?
Binners,
You naughty man!
Anyway, can I have some fish & chips please if you care to take me out.
😆
In the meantime I don't want people offering him meat.
Unfortunately what One wants and what One gets are seldom the same thing - another vital life lesson for kids to learn!
Human's closest genetic cousin.Eats meat.
Can't cook.
Still has massive incisors.
But would you take it to McDonald's?
OK then using Ben Cooper's example above. I don't really want people naked in front of him either. Is that unreasonable or should I just accept I can't have what I want?
I think Binners was a bit naughty, and that he knows that he was being a bit naughty, and that's probably part of why he did it.
I'll tell him how animal products arrive on the plate
Sizzling and succulent
[Serious Face] Binners, you bin baaaaad. If Binners explains to the child why what he did was wrong can we all go home?
Not for a while. There's another 10 pages in this...
OK, I'll retrench - you yoghurt weavers need to take a chill pill
Edit: Not yoghurt, you can't have yoghurt (imagine that, I can't it's just impossible)...Wheatgrass smoothy weavers take a chill pill
Hmmm anyone heard of Omnivores....
Anyway if you're such a fundamentalist veggie that you will force everyone else to follow your stance - then either supply food for your kid or don't send them out with binners 😆
A whole lot of precious parenting on here; the latest extreme I've heard of was a stay at home dad telling his 18month old that she couldn't go on the slide because it's 'dirty'.
So yes you can wrap your child up, keep them in their room and never let them socialise... good luck with them when they're 20+
Yes I was not impressed when my 9 year old came back saying he'd watched 'Snakes on a Plane' at a friend's house but different houses different rules.
I'd rather she got to know and beware of Binners evil ways now than when she's 18 😈
Everyone is assuming that the kid is also a vegan. Nowhere has it been said that this is in fact the case.
Everyone is assuming that the kid is also a vegan. Nowhere has it been said that this is in fact the case.
If she isnt it was a shit story
Blimey! 5 pages of [s]santimonious, right-on twoddle[/s] heated debate. who'd have thunk it? 😉
Ok.. the whole 'lunch' conversation went as follows:
Me: Where we going for lunch then girls? What do you fancy?
Child protected from the horrors of the world, and mankinds intolerable cruelty to animals: [b]MACDONALDS!!!!!! OR KFC?!!! CANWE?!!! CANWE?!!! CANWEEEEEEEEE?!!!! PURLEEEEEEEEEEEEEZ?!!!!!![/b]
My kids: yeah dad, can we?
ME: Hmmmmmmmmmm.... I'm not to sure what your mum would have to say about that?
Child protected from the horrors of the world, and mankinds intolerable cruelty to animals: [b]We don't have to tell her! CANWE?!!! CANWE?!!! CANWEEEEEEEEE?!!!! PURLEEEEEEEEEEEEEZ. We can tell her we went somewhere else! Or just had a baked potato at home. CANWE?!!! CANWE?!!! CANWEEEEEEEEE?!!!! PURLEEEEEEEEEEEEEZ!!![/b]
My thoughts immediately drifted too Viz's Modern Parents. So to those who say they aren't imposing their views and mores on their kids, diet wise, I'd suggest their choices (bright 10 year old BTW) either aren't being properly communicated, or..... she doesn't like the choices being made on her behalf. At all!
Its only a cheeseburger FFS? Nobody died* 😀
* apart from a cow, obviously
Oi... JY.... can you get my kids pissed tonight please. They're giddy as **** after all that sugar and salt. It might calm them down a bit!
different houses different rules.
I refer you to my "wandering about naked" post earlier.
😀
What would be the correct response? Not go to McDonalds because one kid is vegan, possibly leading them to feel different/singled out etc, or go to McDonalds anyway but tell the kid he has to have a veggie burger (is that even vegan?)?
I think the idea of keeping it secret from the kid's parents is pretty dubious though TBH. Take the kid to McDonalds if you like but have the balls to admit it, IMO. I certainly wouldn't be lying about it.
^^^ Clearly* the kid asked to go to McD's and his kids questioned that of both Binners and the kid, I see no reason to change Binners decision to take the kid(s) there at all.
Thier choice to go, can't take away choice IMO.
*I say clearly but we've only got one side of the story.
All good IMO.
What would be the correct response? Not go to McDonalds because one kid is vegan, possibly leading them to feel different/singled out etc, or go to McDonalds anyway but tell the kid he has to have a veggie burger (is that even vegan?)?
Happy meal with fruit instead of a burger is what my stridently veggie 8 year old has. You only have to ask for it.
He'd have told Binners to stick his mechanically reclaimed 'patty' where the sun doesn't shine.
No. 2 son (5) would have had fish fingers or a veggie deluxe.
No. 3 son (4) would have taken down the cow himself, gutted it and shaved out his own tartare.
Sometimes, upbringing appears to have nothing to do with outcomes.
I might tweet this thread to @chorltonproblems
Expect an thousands of [s]angry[/s] passive aggressive letters, Binners!
So to those who say they aren't imposing their views and mores on their kids, diet wise, I'd suggest their choices (bright 10 year old BTW) either aren't being properly communicated, or..... she doesn't like the choices being made on her behalf. At all!
Well put!
It's a little like religion, really.
Now then, Timmy, we believe that [meat is evil/there's a mystical power out there] (Delete as applicable). You must continue that belief, because it's what we believe
Is it any wonder that kids will seek out what they're told they shouldn't have? Ever met a vicar's daughter? 8)
But would you take it to McDonald's?
It would more than likely be serving you
Not yoghurt, you can't have yoghurt
We can they do soya yoghurt - unlike most vegan stuff it is actually pretty much like the real thing
I think the idea of keeping it secret from the kid's parents is pretty dubious though TBH. Take the kid to McDonalds if you like but have the balls to admit it, IMO. I certainly wouldn't be lying about it.
Aye this and you should ask as well IMHO. We were going to watch this film would that be ok - hardly unreasonable. Would it be ok if your child played this game? Can i give them the flesh of a dead animal please*? How many cans is it ok for them to drink etc
JY.... can you get my kids pissed tonight please.
Not now you approve as the example no longer works
You must have some moral somewhere i can ignore 😉
I get the broad point Flashy/Binners but I could say the same with booze, 18 films, doing drugs etc. Kids want to do lots of things their parents dont want them to, some appropriate and some not.
You must have some thing you dont want your 10 year old daughter doing that you would, reasonably, expect another adult not to do with them.
MMM serious chat to be had with kids and every single parent who takes my kids
I am still surprised so many think it ok to ignore a parents wishes and then lie to them.
* said for affect calm down
Soya yoghurt - every day's a school day
It's not OK, but from a third party stance it is funny
Binners
I had a very abusive childhood and was seriously drinking heavily by the age of ten. I later went on to narcotics abuse. But it was normal to me and reinforced by mixing with similar abusers.
As an adult I have been asked by children to buy them cigarettes, alcohol and even glue and also lighter fuel. Some of them asked pleadingly. I'm guessing their self righteous goody goody none abusive soft parents wouldn't have wanted me to but I could understand the children's seeming desire for them.
Would it have been wrong or funny for me not to have been a responsible adult and gone ahead with it?
My view would be that if the action requested by the child didnt harm themselves or others (either in a physical or mental sense), was reasonable AND wasn't breaking any laws then it would probably be ok.
Theres probably a million caveats and exceptions to that statement, but Im still at work and my brain is tired.
Im a little dubious about forcing kids who dont know any better to follow a diet they probably dont fully understand, but thats not my concern.
The analogies and comparisons between cheeseburgers and alcohol and drugs, is an insightful, non-hysterical, measured and accurate one, that's entirely applicable.
Dear god!! What have I done?!!! ... Even the name... the happy meal should reveal the true nature of it's dark, evil intentions. I feel truly ashamed of my actions! Forgive me, oh righteous ones! 😳
[i]Binners
I had a very omnivorish childhood and was seriously eating bacon by the age of ten. I later went on to serloin steak. But it was normal to me and reinforced by mixing with similar omnivores.
As an adult I have been asked by children to buy them burgers, fish n chips and even kebabs and also chicken hotwings...[/i]
Not making light of your unfortunate childhood, pullfaces. But if alcohol=drugs=meat was true, that would read like a sensible statement.
I am still surprised so many think it ok to ignore a parents wishes and then lie to them.
Were the wishes expressly communicated?
Anyone else hungry?
Assuming an accurate representation of the conversation by binners, I very much doubt that it was her first ever burger.
FWIW, I think it was a wrong thing to do, but only mildly, and wrong can be funny.
A vegetarian child pictured yesterday:
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I can see it now - Mcdonalds is just a gateway to the hard stuff
Within a couple of weeks, Binners is going to be parked outside the school gates, selling the kids tin foil wraps with bacon butties and sausage rolls from a coolbox in the passenger footwell
Oh dear, Binners - you might be in even bigger trouble than you realise. Some vegans would even object to the [url= http://www.mumsnet.com/Talk/am_i_being_unreasonable/2090337-annoyed-vegan-mum ]bread bun[/url] surrounding the burger 😯
Binners,
Chapeau.
That is all.
Sounds like a public service.
My vegi mates encourage their kids to eat meat so they can make up their own minds.
Hughstew +1
Were the wishes expressly communicated?
Ok two points
1. NO molly we vegans keep it a massive secret that we are vegans 😛
2. You know that bit where binners/the kid said about lying to them what do you think sherlock?
The analogies and comparisons between cheeseburgers and alcohol and drugs, is an insightful, non-hysterical, measured and accurate one, that's entirely applicable.
Binners you are bright enough to get the point being made and it is not hard but once more. Parents have moral standards and you ignored them and think its funny. What the moral issue is is not the actual issue it the ignoring other morals bit. Everyone has something, it is just that the vegan thing is different from most folks. No doing drugs and alcohol is not unusual. If i dont GAS about kids getting pissed doing drugs, and the other parent does, would it be ok for me to get the kids off their tits as long as we all agree to lie to the parents, if they ask me to?
I would argue no to that and meat but you can argue its OK and funny if you like.
Anyone else hungry?
I am hungry FOR JUSTICE!
Top work binners!
I, on the other hand have fed my two youngest sweet innocent carnivorous offspring with shepherds pie made with (and I can't believe I'm going to say this)
[b]quorn mince[/b]
So. Do I tell them?
JY - No lying has actually knowingly been involved (yet) in the eating of this cheeseburger*. We're sort of taking our lead from the US armed forces policy on gayers: Don't Ask. Don't Tell
* it's not altogether implausible that some deception and mild dishonesty may be involved at some indeterminable point in the future
* phones social services about Bregante*
😀
You know that bit where binners/the kid said about lying to them what do you think sherlock?
Well, if we can leave the abrasiveness aside for a minute, it's not at all clear if Binners was TOLD not to take them to McDonalds. It could be 'dont' tell cos my mum doesn't like me eating meat' or equally 'don't tell because we were expressly told not to do this'.
If Binners was not given explicit instructions, then the parents can't be that bothered about it can they?
I presume most people would flame you for letting the teenage (<18) child of a parent with strong views against alcohol have a couple of beers at your house. Think there's some comparison there.
Meat isn't a drug, alcohol is.
Big difference.
Ha! 😀
Tom_W1987 - Member
Meat isn't a drug, alcohol is.
Funny that, I've had the sweats from two things. Meat and E's. Gotta be something in that!!