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Binners, this is brilliant.
Binners' kids' friend at home tonight:
DezB - Memberthe initial taste is um YUUUMM
I've never been to that McDonalds!
what no McNuggets and BBQ source, or chips in Strawberry milkshake??
C_G My kids and I are a vegan they are trusted to other adults who will ignore my wishes and then laugh about it - how funny and amusing do you want me to find this?
Would a parent laugh if i got their kids pissed then?
Wouls lighten up help explain it away?
I shall offer you the same advice next time you mention dr/nhs and you will find it just as useful as i just found that
I am genuinely surprised that so many of you have no issue with ignoring a parents views tbh and it will alter my behaviour re my kids and them being with other adults as apparently you think its funny to ignore this
FWIW i would expect an adult to explain they went to mcD my kid wanted this and that then i would talk to my child and then they would decide what they eat.
So i guess the moral is i should not trust anyone with my kids re what food they eat as they will think it is funny and i should lighten up.
On a serious note:
I am genuinely surprised so many of you think it is funny and it is ok to ignore parents wishes and it has made me much more reluctant to let my kids go anywhere with responsible adults
At what point does a child feel able to face both parents and tell them what they really want if its such a big deal to their parents? Its not a case of 'I don't like salt Mummy' (thats ok honey, dont have it then).
You are a young child facing years of being told 'we dont eat meat honey' (full stop).
I had grown Muslim friends who are non-halal food but to their parents still pretended that they didnt or drink FFS.
See? If a grown male cant - its a scary prospect for a child.
Let a child decide. Years of nurture and propaganda means nothing to an educated son or daughter ultimately.
On a different note I wouldn't take binners kids to McDonalds. We'd go to a nice cafe where I can eat my bagel and marmite/espresso's 8)
and i should lighten up.
I agree with some of what you posted JY.
ignoring a parents views
It would appear that children have views too. Who'dathunkit, eh?
+1 but still the child(s) isn't a robot. Binners wouldn't have pressured or forced. You can imagine the conversation/scenario and ....what does the child eat at school?
Ive a work collegue comming over to the UK from our India office in a few weeks. She not only wont eat meat or eggs or cheese, she wont eat veg thats killed !
Which means she cant eat veg like Onions, because to eat it you have to kill the whole plant, whereas say a bean is part of the whole plant and you can eat that without killing the whole plant.
F*** knows what she will eat over here.
JY, fair point.
Sometimes one just has to turn a blind eye as, for example, I had to if my parents wanted to give my kids things that I wouldn't give them such as Coke (liquid obviously) or e-filled sweets.
No adult would hand over alcohol to other peoples kids, assuming we're talking of under 14's here. That would be silly.
What people don't know won't hurt them etc etc. What's the problem?
F*** knows what she will eat over here.
She probably has it all worked out.
Saying that - the tons of fuel used to get her over here will kill something.
[i]Would a parent laugh if i got their kids pissed then?[/i]
Not sure how drinking alcohol is related to eating normal(ish) food, but you go on your rant.
Hilarious. Obviously next time I take the OPs kids swimming I've got some gradeA smack for them to shoot up which should be megalolz. Then, if the kids want it obviously, we could go and get pilled up in the park. Not like its forced on them, why should they be penalised cause their Dad is a square?
who will ignore my wishes
What about what the child thinks?
You are adamant that children should make their own minds up about religion but they cannot decide what they want to eat?
I think children should be guided and be made to eat a balanced, healthy diet. However, it sounds like you have taken a decision on your own moral grounds on behalf of your children.
What age will you allow them to make their own minds up?
No adult would hand over alcohol to other peoples kids, assuming we're talking of under 14's here. That would be silly.
It happens quite a lot as well as cigarettes and weed.
I've got to be honest and say that I've a lot of sympathy with Junkyard's postion. Comparisons between this and underage drinking aside (one is illegal the other isn't), ignoring a parents wishes does seem like an odd thing to do. Of course the age of said child would make a difference and were I confident about said childs ability to make such a decision then I'd probably agree to it but I wouldn't lie to the parents either.
Never understood the fascination with mcdonalds though.
Its always amazed me how weak pathetic people who have no self control take such delight in actively promoting weakness in others to make their own wretched condition tolerable. 🙂
It does seem odd to celebrate what will presumably annoy the parents (and possibly land the child in trouble).
It doesn't sound like the child was forced into eating the stuff however, perhaps peer pressure got the better of them. Or perhaps they just decided they'd like to eat a MaccyD.
I'm a little bit queasy about encouraging a child to upset their parents just for the fun of it, I must admit. Keeping a vegan home really, really doesn't count as child abuse.
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Ive a work collegue comming over to the UK from our India office in a few weeks. She not only wont eat meat or eggs or cheese, she wont eat veg thats killed !Which means she cant eat veg like Onions, because to eat it you have to kill the whole plant, whereas say a bean is part of the whole plant and you can eat that without killing the whole plant.
F*** knows what she will eat over here.
KFC, 'cos no one except the colonel knows what is in those things.
[i]Obviously next time I take the OPs kids swimming I've got some gradeA smack for them to shoot up which should be megalolz[/i]
Indeed! Why stop at alcohol? Give them a gun and go shooting tramps! Fun fun fun.
How old are your kids OP? Can I take them on a tour of an abatoir? Only fair they have the full information before they make their decisions, free from any influence you may impart?
I'm not a veggie btw, but I find this pretty worrying.
I'm torn on this one. Veggie friends of ours have kids who love the chance to eat meat, so I know the effect it has, and I agree that the child should choose for itself.
But I would be very annoyed if someone allowed my child to do something I felt was wrong. The drug/alcohol argument is taking it to extremes, but I've fallen out with mates who were happy to let my then 8 year old watch a fairly harmless 12 certificate DVD. I'd expect to be consulted first at least.
The reply was unanimous and raucously enthusiastic.
If they requested it without prior suggestion, I retract my dailymail outrage fully and without prejudice.
Parents have moral codes dez- not eating meat or not drinking alcohol
Parent ignores your moral code to your child and applies theirs
gets them pissed or lets them eat meat
would you be happy?
Would you be ok with this?
Would you laugh?
I could use computer games rated or watching porn or taking them on a BNP rally - we all have standards we expect others to adhere to when they have our kids not just vegans.
I dont care if folk give my kids sweets or fizzy pop these are not moral issues and that I can turn a blind eye to easily.
It has been an eye opener for me tbh as many of you are folk respect. If you would do it and laugh about it then i guess most folk would
As i said I wont be trusting folk with my kids.
The vegan kid thing is irrelevant.. child protective services should be called for any parent taking a child into macdonalds. 😉
Whilst I see what you did there.. couldn't you at least have gone somewhere decent?
Kids not drinking alcohol isn't a moral code, it's common sense.
So do you have a list JY of your morals and standards that you give to you childrens friends parents, just in case?
Obviously next time I take the OPs kids swimming I've got some gradeA smack for them to shoot up which should be megalolz
gets them pissed or lets them eat meat
How can a child eating a hamburger be compared with drinking alcohol or taking drugs?
standards we expect others to adhere to
How is being a vegan a "standard"?
Have to say I don't find this particularly amusing. I am pretty relaxed with most stuff regarding my kids but there are particular boundaries we have in place that I would be fuming at if other parents knowingly crossed. Diet, alcohol, tv, sex, violence..people bring their kids up with a particular moral code in place and you knowingly and deliberately flaunting it is a little out of order.
According to drinkaware it is not illegal
so the booze/food is certainly a valid comparison from a legal perspective assuming kids are over 5For a child aged five to 16 to drink alcohol at home or on other private premises.
How is meat anywhere near drink and drugs? Its a choice.
FFS most 'Vegans' were probably brought up as meat eaters before making the decision to change.
Why can't said V's let their child decide too? Or is it a case of 'we know whats best for them'?
You are adamant that children should make their own minds up about religion but they cannot decide what they want to eat?
FWIW i would expect an adult to explain they went to mcD my kid wanted this and that then i would talk to my child and then they would decide what they eat.
From my first post - do I need to make it clearer?
It would appear that children have views too. Who'dathunkit, eh?
Indeed they do now would you like to address what we are discussing ?
I was just trying to think of something that most folk would think was morally wrong. Was the BNP march any better ? Probably not . Any better suggestion?The drug/alcohol argument is taking it to extremes, but I've fallen out with mates who were happy to let my then 8 year old watch a fairly harmless 12 certificate DVD. I'd expect to be consulted first at least
the booze one is not illegal either iirc
I do agree that kids get to choose but i also think adults need to act like [responsible] adults as well.
If i explain my kid is a vegan and they dont eat meat and you go ok fine i expect you to honour that.....what parent does not expect this?
I guess the children are lucky you're not a uraphogiaist.
JY makes good points.
i guess when you (JY) let your kids go off with other 'responsible' adults, you might want to have the conversation up front.
seems the majority of STW think that food choices are not important, but probably think differently about other comestibles & combustibles
is it more acceptable to take a five year old to slaughter a sheep with a knife if they are from a carnivore background, than a vegan one..... or is it something that the kids parents should be involved in (decision wise)
How can a child eating a hamburger be compared with drinking alcohol or taking drugs?
Depends on peoples beliefs and moral compass. What is important to you may not be important to others and vice versa.
Seems to be a worrying trend on the forum at the moment to casually dismiss the values and beliefs of others if they are different.
I can appreciate the fun in giving a consenting veggie kid their first burger, but I think the apparent failure to grasp that this might be important to the kids family is very disrespectful. Suspect a bit of keyboard warrior syndrome is involved though.
How is being a vegan a "standard"?
Is that a serious question?
Hora many folk were smacked as kids and now think it is wrong - using your logic they should smack their lkids and then let them decide?
FWIW i cannot , nor does any other parent, let their kids do things they think are wrong. We all have different things we think are right and wrong be it games age limits, amount of internet usage, eating junk food etc but we all make choices for our kids rather than let them do the things we object to and the let them decide to the "right thing"
you may as well say never let them exercise and let them eat shit and when they are older they can decide to eat well and exercise. ...its a crap argument when applied to non vegan things as it is when applied ti vegan things
From my first post - do I need to make it clearer?
Yes.
Do you mean you would want the other parent to telephone you and then you would speak on the telephone to your child?
A comma or two would help as well.
Is that a serious question?
Yes. It is not a "standard". That would suggest it is some way superior to eating meat.
[i]is it more acceptable to take a five year old to slaughter a sheep with a knife if they are from a carnivore background, than a vegan one..... [/i]
What? Now they're knifing stuff? Binners? You evil bastard!
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Seems to be a worrying trend on the forum at the moment to casually dismiss the values and beliefs of others if they are different
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the apparent failure to grasp that this might be important to the kids family is very disrespectful
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We all have different things we think are right and wrong be it games age limits, amount of internet usage, eating junk food etc but we all make choices for our kids rather than let them do the things we object to and the let them decide to the "right thing
you might want to have the conversation up front.
I have to obviously as many are confused about what it means.
they all know from school though.
I tend to send a packed lunch with my kids as some parents, even though they are nice [ or so i thought till this thread] are clueless about what it means.
Some go the extra mile one mother made a vegan B day cake for her son which i thought was OTT and one changed the activity - food related - to include a vegan option
As folk have said your moral code and theirs may differ. they are moral choices though the meat eaters seem to struggle to see vegan as one. I was just trying to use something that most parents would be morally against as an example as they are not getting the dont eat meat bit are theyHow can a child eating a hamburger be compared with drinking alcohol or taking drugs?
Why can't said V's let their child decide too? Or is it a case of 'we know whats best for them'?
Obviously once your daughter is over 16 you wash your hands of who she sleeps with and how quickly she gets knocked up? Maybe these things are not comparable to you or I, but that's the whole point. Why should your weaker moral compass overule someone elses stronger one? I know of households who were fine with their kids sleeping around from 14. At what age Would you let your kid go and do anything they pleased as long as it was legal?
Why can't said V's let their child decide too? Or is it a case of 'we know whats best for them'?
Yes, how dare we claim that we know what's best for our kids?
Thinking about it, I'd be pretty annoyed if I found out too - not so much for the meat eating, but because it shows a lack of respect and a dereliction of trust. They trusted you to look after their kid, you deliberately did something they'd disapprove of.