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They can't shoot much pigeon though because it's hardly flooding the supermarkets, surely?

Most of it goes to somewhere where they appreciate the quality of their food:

http://fxcuisine.com/Default.asp?language=2&Display=32&resolution=high

Awesome stella and whiskey chasers all round
I think you must realise this is quite a poor argument.

The booze thing also works as it is perfectly legal to give a child booze , as it is a burger. I assume that most would object to someone, who though this was ok, getting their kids pissed and then keeping it secret from them.
The burger [ booze] is exactly the same except you think it is ok and the vegans dont. Its the same scenario with a different a different thing.
I suspect most are insisting it is not the same as you have to accept I have a point as you all know you would object. Its is not complicated ot grasp.

FFS are you lot still arguing?

Even for STW this is scraping the barrel. 😉

The first couple of pages were quite fun, now it's gone all Singletracksy.

Gunz - Member
The first couple of pages were quite fun, now it's gone all Singletracksy.

No it hasn't. Where did it go all

Singletracksy

😉 😉

So, based on the past 13 (!!!) pages, as a man who is old enough to make up his own mind about food, but with vegetarian parents who would rather I didnt eat meat, what shall I have for tea?

Make your own mind up obviously but tell them the truth

The later bit appears to be the contentious bit though 😉

Not read all the thread, but I have been a vegetarian for 30 years (for health reasons) and in that time been the subject of many jokes about my diet, which were actually borderline insults in many cases. I'm with Junkyard on this one!

Maybe it was a test for the girl...

FFS are you lot still arguing?

No, we're having a discussion, which you're not bringing anything remotely valuable to.

what shall I have for tea?

Whatever you like. In't choice brilliant?!

Only just read this thread, and having done so, I'm completely outraged.

Thank god for that!!!

Part of me wonders what the transit time through a vegan of a mcdonalds burger would be. Would it be faster or slower than through someone like Elvis?

Also, are they lack toast and tolerant? 😉

I have been a vegetarian for 30 years (for health reasons)

If you don't mind me asking, what health reasons?.

As far as I'm aware, there is no peer reviewed studies showing a vegetarian or vegan diet is beneficial over an unprocessed meat diet.

As far as I'm aware there's possibly some chronic illnesses relating to the digestive system that can benefit from the reduction and possible exclusion of meat from the diet..

As far as I'm aware there's possibly some chronic illnesses relating to the digestive system that can benefit from the reduction and possible exclusion of meat from the diet..

Is this supposed to be some form of rebuttal?, or are you trying to be clever? because, if so, you're failing miserably.

Can cause IBS to flare up on occasion which is rather unpleasant even with a mildish case

Can cause IBS to flare up on occasion which is rather unpleasant even with a mildish case

Hi LoCo,

I've got a shock I'll send to you when I stop procrastinating.

But on topic, what can "cause IBS to flare up on occasion"?, as someone with a close relative with IBS, it's completely dependent on the person isn't it?. I'm not 100% informed on the situation, so I'm only going off what I've been told.

Yep I'll go veggie for weeks at a time sometimes because of this, &
yep fire us a booking form and we'll get you booked in.

LoCo,

Thanks and will do.

Is this supposed to be some form of rebuttal?, or are you trying to be clever? because, if so, you're failing miserably.

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Last night I had a Saag Chana and two rotti's from my local takeaway. It was stunning.

But Hora, did you feed any kids who aren't allowed "foreign food" at home? You know. Level 5 ukip parents who won't eat anything prepared by someone who looks a bit shadowy...

Can cause IBS to flare up on occasion which is rather unpleasant even with a mildish case

My wife doesn't eat meat for this reason. I do eat a bit, but over the past year have started getting IBS symptoms if l eat a lot of it.

I was vegetarian for a few years and have been pesciverous for over twenty I felt immediate health benefits and became very ill when I reverted to meat eating for a month. Pure anecdote I know but for me the health benefits are real .
In relation to the initial post I think Binners is being a bit silly in his gloating but at the end of the day I would be more upset by someone taking crankbrat to somewhere as unpleasant as McD's as allowing him to chose to eat meat. At a very healthy 32 months he has no meat in his diet and does not eat it at parties except for chick in nuggets which he mistakes for fish fingers . When he is 10 I will trust crankbrat to make his own choice about meat but it will be fully informed and he better be prepared to kill and prepare it with my godfather . If you can't kill an animal you should not eat one .

My diet choices are however now rooted as much in habit and preference as morality . Junkyard's I would respect absolutely if I invited his kids to a party I would ensure that as my guests I catered for their diet . The idea that you invite a child but expect the parents to proved diet specific food is frankly weirded surely it is the hosts obligation and pleasure to ensure everyone enjoys themselves.

I would be more upset by someone taking crankbrat to somewhere as unpleasant as McD's as allowing him to chose to eat meat.

Now that's ridiculous.

It is ridiculous to think that Mc Donalds is not healthy and not a place you would want your kid to go to ? Is there nothing/nowhere you would object to them consuming or going to eat?

What about witherspoons then - can we go there instead Molly? 😉

My kids have been once, for a poo

Eldest on leaving in loud voice so he was heard

" daddy why are all these people so fat?"
me walking faster trying to ignore him

" is it because they eat too much and dont exercise"
" pretty much son, pretty much"

True story

It is ridiculous to think that Mc Donalds is not healthy and not a place you would want your kid to go to ?

It's ridiculous to think that one unhealthy meal on a day out is going to be a big issue.

As a pescetarian I feel I should be in this thread. What's going on, then?

What about one fag on a healthy day out then 😉

Wont do any harm either eh
OK now I am torturing analogies but they may return to explain their reasons.
Given you questioning nature, I am surprised you dont understand why someone may object to Mc Donalds as an eatery,
You must have encountered this view before. I

Fags are much worse for you than McDonalds, I'd say.

One burger now and then is nothing to get upset about. As for it being an 'awful' place, well that's a matter of opinion clearly not shared by the vegan girl.

You might not want to go there, but the girl does, and given that a treat now and then is not going to do ANY harm, then where's the harm?

It is ridiculous to think that Mc Donalds is not healthy and not a place you would want your kid to go to ? Is there nothing/nowhere you would object to them consuming or going to eat?

It's fair enough to not want them to go to McDonalds, but best not to get too precious about it eh?

Eldest on leaving in loud voice so he was heard

" daddy why are all these people so fat?"
me walking faster trying to ignore him

" is it because they eat too much and dont exercise"
" pretty much son, pretty much"

True story

Teaching your kids to be snobby, judgemental and rude is probably more harmful than the occasional burger. 😐

Yeah I'd have given my kid a short lesson in not talking about people when they can hear you.

Is there nothing/nowhere you would object to them consuming or going to eat?

Our kids have been to numerous birthday parties where they ate not much more than crisps, sweets, chips and sausages. I didn't object to it, of course, but I did make sure they had plenty of healthy food the rest of the day.

I was vegetarian for a few years and have been pesciverous for over twenty I felt immediate health benefits and became very ill when I reverted to meat eating for a month. Pure anecdote I know but for me the health benefits are real .

Had you considered that your gut might contain bacteria that breaks down different types of foodstuff?
If you don't eat that type of foodstuff for a very long time what do you think happens to the bacteria in your gut?
If you eat a type of product, which we could call meat, that your gut has not received before does it:
a) digest rapidly and easily
b) digest slowly with side effects such as stomach ache
c) become a baby robin

#there might've been other, rave related, reasons to my lack of meat cravings

The point is not the healthiness or otherwise of the burger, it is that the parents have made the moral choice not to eat the flesh of an animals. Parents make choices for their kids all the time because kids are not equipped to make complex choices (nor are many adults, apparently) - that's why we don't let them vote, get married, drive a car etc.

Fags are much worse for you than McDonalds, I'd say.

The answers would be possibly, probably not and probably.

I'm not the sharpest tool in the box, but even I don't regard what to have for lunch as a 'complex choice'. I don't think many kids would either 😉

The point is not the healthiness or otherwise of the burger, it is that the parents have made the moral choice not to eat the flesh of an animals. Parents make choices for their kids all the time because kids are not equipped to make complex choices (nor are many adults, apparently) - that's why we don't let them vote, get married, drive a car etc.

DrJ - with your job I guess you'll be well aware of the concept of Gillick competence - if a ten year old child says she wants to eat a beefburger, but wants to keep it a secret from her vegan parents because they will disapprove... where would that fall on the Fraser guidelines?

Teaching your kids to be snobby, judgemental and rude is probably more harmful than the occasional burger.

In light if your comment and in the name of education and science i will make sure he knows they are all just big boned, it is not their fault and they cannot help it all.

Problem is grum that the 4 year olds assessment was correct even though it was insensitive.

Cougar - Moderator

No, we're having a discussion, which you're not bringing anything remotely valuable to.

Well having read the previous 12 pages and concluding that, IMO, it was an argument not a discussion, with endless repeating of the same points, I was make a statement.

IBS flare up.

I've been a sufferer for 10+ years. I'm perfectly fine with meat. Whole grains, cereals and citrus fruits are my Kryptonite. But anyone with any knowledge of the condition will undoubtedly confirm that it could be anything that causes flare ups. You could be fine with certain foods for years, then tomorrow it causes a reaction. Medical professionals don't really understand why.

grum - Member

Teaching your kids to be snobby, judgemental and rude is probably more harmful than the occasional burger.

no idea how you came to those conclusions from a 4 year old asking a question.

In light if your comment and in the name of education and science i will make sure he knows they are all just big boned, it is not their fault and they cannot help it all.

🙄

It's not the comment, it was making it in earshot. Can't blame the kid, but they need to know not to talk about people in their earshot.

In light if your comment and in the name of education and science i will make sure he knows they are all just big boned, it is not their fault and they cannot help it

Nice straw man.

molgrips - Member

It's not the comment, it was making it in earshot. Can't blame the kid, but they need to know not to talk about people in their earshot

surely you mean not to talk about other people in that way at all or do you think its acceptable to talk about people behind their backs. bet you're the office gossip 😉

Well it's fine to ask, when you're a little kid.