[Closed] older men, younger girls............pervs???

Yes,but then I'm 54.
Ian

What's perverted about a bloke looking at a burd?

Cannot see a issue but still I am a toy boy 😳

now if they were after young lads now that would be a issue

It's only natural, from a evolutionary biology perspective. Women in their early 20's are more fertile, so can have more babies than older women.

Innit.

They're probably just a bit frustrated.
But so long as it wasn't too pervy; live & let live, I reckon.

[I have had 2 close friendships with women 20 years younger than me]

Any behavior like that, no matter what age deserves nothing less than two fingers and a pint in their face.

Dogs.

Can't girls go out without be made to feel like meat?

No, it's completely normal.

Get off your high horse.

You mean some blokes don`t comment on fit birds?

[i]Can't girls go out without be made to feel like meat? [/i]

Some girls go out so they can feel some meat.

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Women are far worse than guys for doing this.

Pulls up a chair, pours a glass of champagne, removes killer heels ...

To me the issue is the incessant perving - the age of the girls (as long as they are legal ;)) is irrelevant.

It's impossible to say without pics, then we can rate them out of ten on various attributes.

I thought men looking at women is human nature? Oh sorry that's right STW forum members have evolved.............

Dame you Darwin

the age of the girls (as long as they are legal ;)) is irrelevant.

So it would be ok for a 50 year old to leer at a 16 year old but not a 14 year old, that would be paedophilia yes? What about if they were in Spain?

[i]What about if they were in Hungary? [/i]

Now you being silly how would they see someone in Hungry sat in their local.

when my daughter gets to sixteen, i hope she does not attract the kind of attention these two were implying she would like.
if i heared anyone talking to or about her in such a way i would gladly smash their faces in............ 😀

So it would be ok for a 50 year old to leer at a 16 year old but not a 14 year old, that would be paedophilia yes?

Technically paedophilia means being attracted to pre-pubescent children...

Sorry Drac, changed it to Spain, suprised that the age of consent there is only 13, and figured that quite a lot of 50 year old blokes probably go there on holiday with their teenage kids...

What if they were in Madagascar then?

What about if they were in Spain?

Er, it'd be socially unacceptable too? Or do you think people get married at 12 out here???

Mmm, depends on the age really. Some of my colleagues have sussed out any school kid wearing black is sixth form and therefore over 16 so OK to perv at, ones in blue are out of bounds.

I like a firm young thing as much as the next bloke (checks Dale Winton isn't in the room), but I agree anyone under 20 seems a bit wrong (I'm 38 if that helps). 20+ maybe OK, but I have to say I'm finding older women more and more attractive these days, b*gger just dropped my walking stick. I just like to think that anyone I'm perving at could give as good as she gets if that makes sense. Think the last thing I'd want is some soppy, no personality, no experience teenager.

Constant verbal perving also gets on my nerves, it just makes blokes sound desperate and pathetic. We all have those thoughts, the more evolved amongst us keep them to ourselves or as another of my colleagues delicate puts it,'put it in the w*nk bank'.

Ton - Never forget when out riding once one of my 50 year old riding buddies leered at a rather attractive 17 year old...who came over and gave me, her 50 something father a hug and a kiss...he was instantly overcome with perveness. Daughter saw the funny side though and she was more than a match for my mate believe me!

The point made was that it is okay as long as it's legal, age of consent in Spain is 13, so it's 'legal', I was challenging the notion that it being legal makes it ok.

I dunno, why is it ok to be really pervy and creepy just because the women happen to be, say, 25 rather than 18 though? It's still wrong surely?

It's part of male nature but doesn't mean it's right. Ton we've met on the Kielder ride. I don't know if you remember but I also play rugby and it does appear to be part of a ladish culture. Having said that I can be guilty of the same sort of comments within the club house for lads banter but not out in front of lasses and in ear shot. And to be honest if any of the sort of patter the rugby lads sometimes give were to pull a lass I don't think I would be interested if that's her aspirations.

The point made was that it is okay as long as it's legal, age of consent in Spain is 13, so it's 'legal', I was challenging the notion that it being legal makes it ok.

Learn something new everyday, I'd never have thought that 13 was legal - at least not with an adult. Apparently it's legal as long as it's consensual. I'm guessing it's still that way as gypsy families often marry very early.

It's certainly acceptable to enjoy looking at members of the opposite sex - both men and women - although from personal experience it's best not to do so openly when your wife is standing next to you 🙄

when my daughter gets to sixteen, i hope she does not attract the kind of attention these two were implying she would like.
if i heared anyone talking to or about her in such a way i would gladly smash their faces in............

You best stay in then ton

My 19 yr old has just gone out & TBH it's scary

my cousin is 21 and i struggle to have a sensible conversation with her as she is so immature i dont know what her 40 something hubby sees in her. Other than the size eight figure with 32e baps of course lol but at the wedding my toddler kept calling him granddad which was funny 🙂

I think it's ok to think it sometimes. If you're in your late thirties and forties, you can't help thinking an attractive girl is attractive, no matter how old she is. But being leery and dirty-old-man and speaking those thoughts aloud for your mates to hear and then engage in how-low-can-we-go banter is naughty. Personally, I'm sure I've been guilty of finding a say, 15 or 16 year old attractive...normally as soon as they speak and reveal the extent of their mental ages, that is the point at which the attraction vanishes.

A lot of men have growing-up issues and the heady mixture of attractive women young enough to be their daughters and beer is sometimes too much for them to handle.

Its all right to look but not to make anyone feel uncomfortable.. Ive lost count how many times Ive been in Witherspoons on a Friday night and half the punters are girls that you know are probably still at school but are dressed to kill and want to be noticed. Then theres the parties that come in dressed for a theme night. Hen nights spring to mind. As an older person on this forum I think, ok, look, but dont leer, let them enjoy their evening, its probably brightened yours up etc

Ton, If you have a son you only have one d*ck to worry about, it you have a daughter you unfortunately have millions of d*cks to worry about.

mate, too late to worry about my son......
he became a dad 2 weeks ago...............aged 17 😯

Nothing wrong with appreciating beauty in all it's forms, even if they're 25 years younger than you*. But the old adage "you can window shop but don't handle the goods" springs to mind.

I have nothing in common with most sub 25 year olds I meet except for one girl I met at the Edale YHA earlier this year. To my eternal shame I decided to go for a solo ride on the bike 🙁

* speaking as a middle aged bloke who hasn't yet bought into the slippers and cocoa routine.

I'm 16yrs older than my missus, who's 10yrs older than my eldest from my previous marriage. 😯

Perhaps they feel that it is expected of them to make those sorts of comments?

Perhaps they have no respect for themselves?

It's OK to perve but be discreet about it (speaking as a middle-aged female having a mid-life crisis).

i like middle aged females...............but not in a pervy way.. 😉

Must confess not sure how I would feel if blokes were talking about my rather gorgeous adult daughter in that manner.

had this conversation with someone yesterday. Basically i said that when i was 18 i found 18 - 30 year old attractive and would do my best to 'clinch the deal'

Then as i progressed to 25 i also found 18 - 30 year old attractive but by then had built up confidence, humour and balls to do what was neccessary to 'release the pressure'

Now i'm 32 i still find 18 - 30 year olds attractive and if i was single would do what i could to grab a date before making some lurve to the beautiful woman (i dont drink so dont bring beer goggles, plus a man of my stature only attracts hot wimen)

The ending piece really was at what age do you get to before you think 'maybe she is too young' and ' i want some maturer ass to get my little paws around'?

Half your age + 7 years is the cut off IMO.

I guess it depends on what stage you are at in your life, ie are you looking for marriage/kids and someone who will possibly be a similar age to you?

Or are you open-minded and content to "just see what happens"?

Really, who wants an "air head" or "arm candy" once the novelty has worn off?

So it's not ok for 26 year old to go out with a 19 year old but it's fine for a 80 year old to go out with a 47 year old?

Actually I find I'm really open-minded about age differences. It's to do with the person's attitude and take on life.

Drac - an 80 year old with a 60 year old may be acceptable, definitely not 47!

I must be missing something. You know when women go out and dress up and deliberately make themselves look sexy? Why is that? Is it so men ignore them, or so men pay lots of attention to them? Some of the comments above suggest that by looking at them and thinking sexy thoughts I'm missing the point and now it looks like I'm just a dirty old perv but i'm not sure why.

Do ladies want to be looked at in a sexy way or not? If I do it am I a perv or a real man? Does how attractive I am make any difference to how pervy I am when I do this? Aaah, got it now. If I'm attractive to ladies then thinking about them in a sexy way is great and fine but if I'm ugly then I'm just a perv.

Samuri, Your a perv then ! 😉

[i]Drac - an 80 year old with a 60 year old may be acceptable, definitely not 47! [/i]

Yup I was pointing out Daffy's flawed equation and personally I don't see why it is wrong. There's a good few men in there 80s married to woman in the late 40s, my guess is ex-big boss and secretary.

Yeah, that backs up my real life experiences. 🙁

samuri - you'll have to ask the hotties that question! Women like to feel good and OK can get quite a power kick from looking sexy but my memory is not what it was 🙄

I think it's more to do with the pressure of being expected to look/perform in a certain way. Look beyond that ... cos a relationship normally does not survive on sex alone.

Half your age + 7 years is the cut off IMO.

If I did that I would end up with Bubbles Devere. 😳

 

You know when women go out and dress up and deliberately make themselves look sexy? Why is that?

If you made an effort to spruce yourself up and went for a drink, how would you feel if a couple of gay guys standing at the bar near you started leering and making comments ? Would you feel alright about that ?

Just because a woman makes an attempt to look nice, it doesn't mean that she wants any attention from [u]you[/u]

If you made an effort to spruce yourself up and went for a drink, how would you feel if a couple of gay guys standing at the bar near you started leering and making comments

[i]it doesn't mean that she wants any attention from you[/i]

Precisely! I'm branded a perv because I'm not attractive. If I looked like Brad Pitt they'd be perfectly happy for me to be openly eyeing their arse up. Say it's not true. Likewise, I'd be happy with gay guys or women eyeing me up, does me no harm and it's an ego boost whether I like them or not.

[i]Look beyond that ... cos a relationship normally does not survive on sex alone. [/i]

I do, I've been with the same woman for twenty years and we've been married for ten years, I reckon we've got the relationship side of things nailed.

I'm trying to highlight the hypocrisy of the situation being described. People either make themselves look attractive or they don't. If they do then they should expect attention from people they don't want attention from. I'm not saying it's acceptable to be mauled or to recieve any agressive attention but standard leering is going to happen from good looking/ugly, nice/horrible blokes.

And as a bloke, in my experience the good looking blokes who are effortlessly luckier with the ladies than the rest of us, will often have a whole different attitude to women when there's no women around. I've found a lot of guys like this to be wholey ruthless and hugely sexist about their pursuit of sex. Chase, shag, ditch.

Of course, this may be what a lot of ladies want. Crying away over a big tub of chocolate ice cream is their idea of a perfect life I'm sure.

i'd feel alright about that, then i'd lead them on, get them to buy me a drink, have a chat, tell them i'm not gay but thanks for thinking i look good the disappear with my friends. Thats what wimen do right??

People want different things and at different times of their lives. The most important thing is communication.

yeah, I'm not disagreeing with you on anything, what you say is true.

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Can I get one thing straight before I make an arse of myself (again) & give my considered reponse?

Are we talking about women who doll themselves up, wear as little as possible, get drunk & act flirty, then regret it in the morning when they have to face the 'old man', or just slags?

Without getting into the whole 'perve' thing, I went out with two girls where there was a fourteen-year gap, and one with a nineteen-year gap. In her case there was a twenty-year gap between her mum and step-dad. It made no difference at all, as there were common interests which made conversation lively and entertaining, so the relationships were fullfilling in all ways. Just because a girl is young she's not nessessarily lacking in communication skills; there's a girl at work who's doing part-time holiday stuff. She's delightful, pretty, intelligent and has wide interests in books and music. The thing is she's fifteen, and I've met thirty-year olds with less to talk about than Verity has. Don't misinterpret my interest, she's just an example that age doesn't automatically bring with it the ability to converse.

i personally don't eye women up,as i don't want to make them feel uncomfortable.also i remember about 7-8 years ago(when i used to drink).was at a local pub with my mate,when a stripper came in,as it was somebody's birthday.i just went to the corner and looked out of the window.

i personally don't eye women up,as i don't want to make them feel uncomfortable.also i remember about 7-8 years ago(when i used to drink).was at a local pub with my mate,when a stripper came in,as it was somebody's birthday.i just went to the corner and looked out of the window.

you must still be single or playing very hard to get

what is the big deal 3 older men expressing there interests in certain females in a maner that has only offended you and you did the right thing and left the conversation ,it would have been a different rant if they where going about groping and expressing them selfs out loud

roundwheels

the bloke were expressing themselves out loud, thats my point....... 🙄

This reminds me of my old work.

The guys would spend an inordinate amount of time leching out of the window. One in particular. When I made some deliberately flippant remark comparing one to his daughter he got all huffy. I don't think he picked up on what I was meaning at all. Maybe these guys could bear inmind what others will be thinking or saying about THEIR daughters...

But then I grew up listening to CRASS in my formative years and it's stayed with me. You don't treat [i]anybody[/i] like that.

And thats why all these perv picture threads are insidious too.

Teetosugars - Member
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Just glad I've got 2 lads, would hate to have daughters with blokes like me about.

ton, i stand corrected

Women (and men!) have the right to dress however they feel appropriate.

By dressing in a sexy or similar way people have the right not to be leered at. The act of dressing up is not an invitation to all to comment on it.

One of the girls above made a good point, its nice to go out and feel attractive and buff etc but that does not mean you are hoping for attention and comments - its just nice to feel good once in a while (or every weekend even.)

Ton- i think you did the right thing. No need to sit with people anywhere who act in a way you dont agree with,

I have done the same thing at a dinner party with an ex gf's parents and family freinds who started spouting nonsense about not employing different ethnic groups in their companies. Put me right off my spring rolls. Oh the irony.

We split up after that as she said i was rude for leaving her dads table!

Anyway, blurb over.

it doesn't always work out

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Women (and men!) have the right to dress however they feel appropriate.

So if I paint myself orange and walk around the town centre of an evening wearing nothing else apart from a jockstrap and flip-flops I can expect no-one to comment?

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My friends that are girls have told me that women dress up for other women. Not to attract them, but more as a competitive thing.

Suppose it's not always the case.

A generously proportioned (36DD) friend of mine used to deliberately lean over in front of older men when she was a teenager just to catch them perving at her & make them feel guilty.... 🙄

LOL - stag do in Newquay the other week, we boys (motley mix of late 30's to early 40's) out and about having a beer or two and, ahem, good old look around....
Stag points out to one of the guys (only single one there, up for any, erm, action) that 'at our age, we are all but invisible to them (the 'girls)'
Proof, if proof we're needed arrived later, sat having a late night burger, in walks a bunch of early twenties young ladies, single guy moves in, gets chatting.
Gets to the 'so, what you girls doing later then...... 'bit
Leader of their pack pipes up, 'well, our boyfriends are away for the weekend, so we've come away as well, looking for a sh*g later but not doing any of you lot, you're too old'- pointing in our general direction....... 😆

O.M.G. marsdenman.

I feel so lucky to be off that scene where we were supposed to dress up as peacocks, strucking our bodies about the dancefloor/pub. I never did all that wearing of the high heels and tons of makeup. Did enjoy mini-skirts though.

Having led a sheltered life I only ever got chatted up while doing outdoor pursuits, so never came across the type of thing Ton has had to put up with.

Personally I never have had a problem with age differences in a relationship, I would however have a problem listening to middle aged men trying to prove they've still go it, in a pub with teenagers.

mate of mine says that if he has a daughter he'll go after any bloke that tries to touch her. he's got by far the 'worst' mouth on him when it comes to perving over women though.

I'm actually fitter now than when i was 20 but i seriously doubt i could attract a 20yr old woman!

That's the way it should be as well, i'm past all that.

There's 2 points in ton's post.

1 cretinous no-hope middle-aged neanderthals talking leery demeaning bollocks about attractive women (of whatever age) who aren't remotely interested in them. This is pretty sad; and

2 chaps of a certain age who fancy women a lot younger than they are, which may not be a bad or seedy thing at all, but doesn't have to be accompanied by a load of trash-talking and disrespect.

At 30, I pretty much have no interest in anyone under about 25ish, they seem a bit, well, immature I suppose. I'm not sure whether that age will rise as I get older or whether I'll be 70 and still reckoning that 25 is about right. 🙂

Beer, Rugby club, Young women, Letching, Adolescent Behaviour...... No shit .... Really? 😯

I love women but don't oogle at pubs etc I think thats just sad.