[Closed] Ok who's for leaving? - an emigration question

Quite the impulsive family 😉

Got to have an escape plan with the leavers taking the country down

Oz is nice 🙂

The US would be out of the frying pan, into the fire - whichever one they elect, surely?

I'm looking at Scotland myself.

Where did Paul O'grady emigrate to after the last general election.

Quite the impulsive family

I've got an Italian BiL and an Australian SiL, and my sister is about to move to China (from AUS). Modern family, pro free-movement of people funnily enough.

Edit: I'm married to a Spanish lass.

I don't have enough points for Oz.

I do for Canada and USA.

I've got an Italian BiL and an Australian SiL, and my sister is about to move to China (from AUS). Modern family, pro free-movement of people funnily enough.

Erm...nice one?

@igm I love France, definiteoy an options dor retirement but a few thoughts for the family;

Have a look at the market reaction in France, down more than UK as people think its worse for France than UK
France already gifted €75bn to Greece with more to go (note population still think its a loan) euro could well collpase in medium term
Front Nationale (ie UKIP) likely to eliminate Hollande (socialists) from next years Presidential election
Unemployment 10%, youth unemployment 25%
Taxes are eye watering, any sort of decent job and its 50% with social contributions
Houses are cheaper but don't forget 10% purchase costs (high on sale too) so choose wisely
Higher levels of petty crime and as I imagine you are not Jewish having fully armed military guards outside every school and synagogue may not affect you directly.

Posting from Paris by the way. I have loved living and working abroad particularly the US and would always encourage others to do so

[quote=CaptainFlashheart ]Where did Paul O'grady emigrate to after the last general election.

There must be some sleb pre-referendum "if we leave then I'm emigrating" statements. Anyone heard of any ?

Looked at Oz a few years ago, meet the criteria and would earn more but stayed for family reasons.....providing I stay in my current career it's always an option.

Does USA have a points system?

Erm...nice one?

Works for us... just pointing out the op's situation isn't that extreme.

Me, either Germany or Finland. My Finnish wife doesn't feel particularly welcome in this country after a pretty ugly campaign. I am a partner in a business that had a long term plan of opening a German office, so the referendum result may well accelerate that process, and my wife had a masters in German.

She would also be keen to return to Finland, but I don't think I could, to all intents and purposes give up mountain biking. Finland also has its own issues with far right nationalism.

Works for us... just pointing out the op's situation isn't that extreme.

I know it's not. I had hoped the 😉 showed that I was making an [i]amusing[/i] comment on the OP's whole family decamping 2 days after the vote.

Just got back from Toronto. Wishing I'd stayed

I was making an amusing comment on the OP's whole family decamping 2 days after the vote.

I'll blame the Spanish and German beer for missing that one #EUFTW 😀

but I don't think I could, to all intents and purposes give up mountain biking

There's some decent riding in Finland!

If I were 15 years younger I think I'd be off. I know another 2 local excellent Drs who are off in 6 months, and others who are looking. And those are just the English ones. People may not understand how much the NHS is being kept going by Europeans. Sad times.

[b]“We have far more in common than that which divides us.”[/b]

I am not inclined to run away from a fight and I don't feel outnumbered just yet.

[i]This land has my heart for a bit longer.[/i]

Possibly yes, could be new Zealand, aus, or Canada.
Part of the bonus with our jobs is that we can move worldwide with the company too.
Will see how it goes for a while as i don't quite buy into the full doom and gloom, at least after a few days of discussion with friends and family.
Still wish we had remained in though

nedrapier - Member
but I don't think I could, to all intents and purposes give up mountain biking
There's some decent riding in Finland!

There is Ned, but around Helsinki I don't think there is a huge amount. Where we are now I can be on the trails in 30 mins. Not sure I could do that living in Helsinki.

From a business perspective Germany is more appropriate, though my 7 year old wants to move to Finland where she has family. The saddest thing is the decision to leave the UK feels like its been made by other people, and I'm not sure I can ever forgive my country for that.

I've actually thought about it, but that was the case before the referendum - neither of us fancy the US despite SIL moving there a few years ago, folks live in Bahrain and could help us find well-paid jobs with almost no tax but leaving the UK because of a shift to the right and going to Bahrain would be madness.

Mrs fancies Oz, but she's obsessed with sunny weather and I've had to break it to her that Sydney and Melbourne are cold and damp a lot of the time in winter and the other cites are limited in opportunity.

Canada obvs appeals to Montain Bikers - somewhere on the sea to sky highway but it's very expensive there and the Mrs has never been.

Ideally I'd like to move to France, but the problem is the language, I can speak a little, my Wife more - but neither of us know enough to work their - we can order drinks, but don't know the French for SQL server or Sringe Driver.

I've been looking at Rosseta Stone.

[i]I'm looking at Scotland myself. [/i]

We came up 4 years ago 🙂

At 41, I don't think anywhere wants me. Canada certainly doesn't, which would be my choice. My only option there would be to go over an study for a couple of years and then apply for PR. I'm not sure how practical that is, though.

We have considered moving before Brexit as the government appear absolutely intent in alienating all doctors.

Moving to the states would make us millionaires within 5 years apparently

It would be Canada for me, in fact I wish I'd gone years ago which I realised would've been the right decision after I visited in 2000.

Why?

Much of the European Union is not the prosperous ,liberal panacea which the remainers seem to think.Right wing neo nazi parties thrive throughout most of Europe and many have represenation in the European parliament-even the odious UKIP MEPs wouldn't align with them!
Unemployment levels in Spain are eye wateringly high and would not be tolerated in the UK.
Italy has that charming former head of state and media magnate Berlusconi.
The French have to resort to tactical voting to keep out the nasty right wing Le Pen.
The Nordic states also have right wing parties that attract far wider support than any in the UK can.In the former Eastern Bloc countries the attitude of many towards black, Asian and Muslims is appalling.
To label 17 million of the UK Leave voters as "thick racists" is ridiculous.
The reason why the UK attracts so many migrants both economic and also political refugees from Europe and beyond is precisely because we are one of the most liberal multi cultural countries in the world.

I applied for jobs in barcalona and finland on friday, just sent an application to a company in Berlin, Friend has just sent me some stuff on a opening in Malmo. Fingers crossed.

On a serious note, I quite like the UK and would rather stay here and try and make a difference somehow.

We do live in interesting times, though.

Does USA have a points system?

No. Its one of the toughest places to get into but if you have a decent job offer and the company can prove you have unique skills / experience which are hard to find locally you should be ok. Pretty certain they look at how much mkney you'll be bringing in too, the more the better. 20 years ago they had an explicit quota by country as they where encouraging immigration but I believe thats long gone.

People may not understand how much the NHS is being kept going by Europeans. Sad times.

Asians too, many nurses from the Phillipines. Visas will be available for all, if even required as we may negotiate an exchange system

Well said, fasthaggis.

To put it in perspective, I have lived in the US and their politics is interesting but I have more confidence in their economy. I also have family out there and work contacts (also in Canada).
I also did an exchange to Italy while at university - nice place in some ways but not for me long term.
Did consider Oz and Oman when a couple of companies rang me with offers, but again not for me.
Perhaps the north west coast of the US, say Portland. Politics is much better near the coasts.

Don't really want to leave the UK, but the country's future is looking bleak.

Which of these non EU countries mentioned have open borders?
Lots of talk of them being difficult to get into, which lack of one of the major things which is why you are talking about leaving here is it not?!?!
If having closed borders is racist/xenophobic, then pretty much anywhere worth living qualifies. Canada, the US and Aus certainly do.

I wanted to stay in, heartbroken, pissed off, generally unhappy about the result.

[quote=igm ]
Perhaps the north east coast of the US, say Portland. Politics is much better near the coasts.

Portland is in the North West BTW.

ATP - thanks. Typo, honest. 😕

Major reason for leaving is that I think the UK is dying as a country, and the economy is only going one way.

Will give it a few months and review though.

I suspect that I won't be the only one thinking "if you have the skills, get out". Of course the multinational companies are already starting to make noises along the same lines.

Finland? The right wing Finns party are in a coaliton government aren't they?
People spat at my black wife when we were in Helsinki,lovely.
Oh and I forgot to mention the appalling attitude to LGBT folk in many places in Europe.

Permanent resident of Japan, but as far as xenophobic backwaters with basket-case economies are concerned, it's rather a frying pan/fire situation 🙂

I wanted to Remain, and now worried about my job.

I work in the automotive sector (high tech R&D for autonomous driving stuff), we're always back and forth between Europe and the UK, and currently bidding for contracts with all the German car manufacturers.

Company already has offices in Germany, I'd imagine our jobs would be moved there if we don't continue with freedom of movement & free trade within the EU. Our business just wouldn't work outside the EU.

🙁

Does USA have a points system?

it has a lottery....

Major reason for leaving is that I think the UK is dying as a country, and the economy is only going one way.

You should have been here in the 40s. Or the 50s. Or the 60s. Or the 70s. Or the 80s.

nick1962 - Member
Finland? The right wing Finns party are in a coaliton government aren't they?
People spat at my black wife when we were in Helsinki,lovely.

As I said, Finland is not without its issues, some of those very same issues I see increasing In the UK after the referendum. The underlying message that my wife, and many of my friends have received through this campaign is that they are not wanted here, and they should go home. My wife naturally wants to be where she is wanted, and that happens to be her country of birth, Finland.

I'm really sorry to hear about the abuse your wife received in Finland, it's abhorrent and no one should have to experience it. That very same thing has been happening in the UK to immigrants over the last few days.

If thousands leave at least the net migration figures will come down, so that's one promise met...

Mrs CD wants is Danish and I wants me to considering moving there. Against it is that it is eye wateringly expensive, dull outside of Copenhagen, is very conformist, and that my industry does not exist on Denmark so I would have to start again. Lots of pro's though, especially on the quality of life side of things.
Now's not the time for knee jerk reactions, but if it does go tits up we do have options.