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Can't be bothered watching an entire documentary. Is there a heavily condensed version of the story?
Can’t be bothered watching an entire documentary. Is there a heavily condensed version of the story?
Pretty much what ratherbeintobego said 2 posts above
Only watched ~10mins and feels like they are really dragging this story out. I thought they decided that Titan imploded very early on after the descent, the crew and passengers never got close to using available air.
I rather assumed it would be submarine bro uses untried tech he’s been advised not to and gets loads of people killed, which I’ve heard/read multiple times already.
Yeah, so much this. I guess it’s the collected volume for anyone who wasn’t paying attention the first time.
Think it was on channel 5.
That's your problem right there.
I'm not sure this bodes well (although it sounds as if it'll be better built).
BBC News - US billionaire plans submersible trip to Titanic wreck.
Why wouldn't it bode well? He's already done Challenger Deep and the sub will actually be classified to go to those depths.
It's not like he's breaking new ground here.
This chap has said it’s going to be properly certified which is the difference.
Triton are a totally different outfit to Oceangate. Their submersibles are certified for a start.
It’s not like he’s breaking new ground here.
Apart from taking an acrylic hull down to 4000m.
"Mr Rush was known for pushing the envelope when it came to safety"
More euphemistic reporting from the BBC, calling a spade a ferrous manual digging instrument.
He didn't 'push the envolope'. He was quite clearly reckless and went 2.5km (downwards) beyond the edge of the envelope.
I just don't get it. What's the attraction?
What’s the attraction?
The wreck?
As previously discussed, having more money than you can spend tends to drive most of this.
Some go to space, some fight diseases, some play RL Risk and others go to the depths of the ocean. Because they can.
Personally I'm fine as long as they're not hurting anyone else.
Apart from taking an acrylic hull down to 4000m.
Acrylic spheres aren't new for submarines, although clearly, the depth is a thing. Acrylic is (can be?) homogenous and predictable.
Deepsea Challenger used an acrylic window... 11km depth I believe?
This Triton sub seems a far better prospect than the ill-fated Cheapy McCheapFace carbon tube effort that was MacGyver'd up in a shed.
Must admit my initial thought was, 'Oh boy, another nutter.'
However this guy seems to be saying he will do it properly. Hope he does and that he, his crew and passengers have many fabulous and safe voyages.
Deepsea Challenger used an acrylic window… 11km depth I believe?
Indeed. Small acrylic windows. I'm not saying Triton can't make an acrylic dome that will go to 4000m just answering the assertion that "It’s not like he’s breaking new ground here".
Acrylic used since 60’s on Pisces subs used in North sea and elsewhere. My dad was a pilot in them and he survived.
I just don’t get it. What’s the attraction?
Human nature I guess. We do all sorts of crazy things that provide very little return for the risk posed, for example climbing Everest, swimming the channel, going to the moon, shopping at Ikea on a bank holiday Monday, etc.
Ah, scratch Ikea from the list above - the reward is meatballs.
I meant as far as diving to those depths goes.
I just don’t get it. What’s the attraction?
The opportunity to actually see with your own eyes something that has captured the imagination of the world for so many years, while it’s actually still there, which it won’t be for very much longer.
Also, very few people have ever been there, and there’s very few get to go down there at any given time.
We do all sorts of crazy things that provide very little return for the risk posed, for example climbing Everest
Absolutely, the sense of accomplishment and the solitude at the top of the world’s highest mountain…
Avoiding stepping on corpsicles is a bit of an occupational hazard, however. 🤷🏼
the reward is meatballs.
Are we back to talking about Oceangate again?
Speaking of Oceangate, I’ve just read this Wired article about the whole clusterphuck that was that mission, and the debacle that led up to it. Some of the information has never been released or published before, and it’s worse than you might imagine.
https://www.wired.com/story/titan-submersible-disaster-inside-story-oceangate-files/
Good read that.
That article compliments another one posted earlier in the thread.
Shocking hubris.
Really interesting read, thanks.
Good read, thanks for posting.
Those Triton guys came up earlier in the thread too. Interesting company. They really know their stuff. 👍
You’re welcome, I found it particularly insightful, glad it was of interest to you too.
The Triton stuffs the sort of thing you’d want to ride in,properly engineered and certified and sort of looks like what you’d expect, flashing lights and funky seats, a serious machine not something that looks like it was knocked up in someone’s garage.
I honestly don’t get how anyone would have looked at oceangates and want a go.
They also have a track record in building these things.
I honestly don’t get how anyone would have looked at oceangates and want a go.
Rich =/= Clever
I honestly don’t get how anyone would have looked at oceangates and want a go
They want to go to see the Titanic.
A thing that looks like it goes underwater is right there.
They have no experience with which to judge it fit for purpose.
But.
A nice smiley man is telling them just how super duper wuper safe this marvellous new doo-dad is, and he knows about submarines and safety and carbon fibre the Titanic and stuff. And he has the bigglymost technologies. Who else uses two playstation controllers to control their sub? See? Best!
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Rich =/= Clever
It also sounds like the CEO was a Trump-tier bullshitter.
Aye, I also watched the BBC documentary - Oceangate, and the CEO in particular, did not come out of it at all well!
Aye, I also watched the BBC documentary - Oceangate, and the CEO in particular, did not come out of it at all well!
Yep
I honestly don’t get how anyone would have looked at oceangates and want a go
But you have to look at it with contemporary knowledge.
Before a carbon fiber submarine was on the news as having imploded 3000m underwater and everyone in their armchair became an expert, how many people knew that a carbon fiber submarine was a bad idea? A very small handful of people. Even the CEO thought it was safe enough.
I can't understand why more people didn't win the euromillions last Friday, the numbers were 19, 36, 39, 40, 45, and 5, 6. A simple google tells you that.
Before a carbon fiber submarine was on the news as having imploded 3000m underwater and everyone in their armchair became an expert, how many people knew that a carbon fiber submarine was a bad idea?
To be fair I think that it should have become abundantly clear from day one, during testing. Watched the Netflix documentary yesterday and from the first dive the hull microphones were picking up numerous cracking sounds that worsened with depth & indicated the carbon failing quite spectacularly.
The first hull was later found to have a large crack. The second hull (the one that failed) was modelled in, I think, 1/3 size and failed its pressure test on the back of which Oceangate built it anyway. Numerous experts (including Boeing) warned the company & quite a few Oceangate staff resigned on safety grounds.
If you have Netflix, the Titan documentary is well worth a watch and extremely damning to Oceangate & Stockton Rush in particular.
Disappointingly Oceangate and their CEO knew that making the sub' from carbon fibre was risky. Multiple experts advised against it.
After the first few dives they knew the hull was failing due to noises detected on the on-board microphones.
Three dives before the ultimate dive they heard at least one loud bang and they were warned what that meant (delamination of the carbon fibre hull)
Stockton Rush chose to dive again - despite all the evidence and the expert advice. He paid the ultimate price - which was his choice.
The others on-board that day were not warned and did not get the opportunity to decide for themselves - the BBC suggests that that was Stockton Rush's influence.