It was /is an old building and would have caught fire at some time, as do a lot of newer buildings,keep the bits that are ok, outer walls and put a glass roof over the shell, and convert it to affordable flats and homes, paid for by all those large companies finding large amounts of cash to spend on its rebuilding,or as has been done in Liverpool, in the bombed out church world war 2 damage, keep the shell and convert it to a public space, and a landmark destination place to visit.
In the next few years there will be more older and newer building suddenly catch fire and are destroyed, not helped by the desimation of the fire service, and lack of staff and appliances.
and convert it to affordable flats and homes
Come on, you’ve got to be more subtle with DTF style troll posts!
Cyclist’s fault, apparently.
neil the wheel
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Cyclist’s fault, apparently.
Obviously- if it'd been a driver's fault they'd have it all fixed and back to normal with 10 hours of community service
it is already and a public place and a landmark to visit .
This is brilliant give Europe money for their knackered church. THINK!! Would they do it if Westminster burned down? NON
Lol at Phil, you OK hun?
This is brilliant give Europe money for their knackered church. THINK!! Would they do it if Westminster burned down? NON
Sadly, pathetic and insular views like this are all too prevalent and voiced frequently in Britain at the minute.
insular
Hardly,
I don't envy the team that will be responsible for removing that scaffolding currently up around the cathedral. That is itself looks like an epic task.
If this has done one thing it's raised some awareness of other culturally and religiously significant sites that have been ripped up, flattened and destroyed to make way for pipelines, roads etc. they just belonged to the indigenous populations of places we invaded over the years.
I don’t envy the team that will be responsible for removing that scaffolding currently up around the cathedral. That is itself looks like an epic task.
The exciting bit is going to be supporting and inspecting the stone vaults to see whether they are still viable. Just because they are still standing doesn’t mean they are in anyway safe. Stone really doesn’t react well to the type of heat generated by a fire of that size. I’d have far more faith in the surviving timberwork.
I love the comments about ‘it was a timber building, it was bound to burn down’ has anyone tried setting fire to a of 14” square oak beam (even if it has been drying for a couple of hundred years)?
If only we had this in the UK for the grenfell disaster.
what a sh1tty comment - trumps anything by jhj...
philxx1975
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This is brilliant give Europe money for their knackered church. THINK!! Would they do it if Westminster burned down? NON
President Trump? Is that you?
Total donation by the 3 richest family in France is 500 millions euros.
offsetable against their tax bill probably, maybe for the next few years?
President Trump? Is that you?
😂
offsetable against their tax bill probably, maybe for the next few years?
Maybe we should tell them not to bother then.
Questions raised under general ignorance (mine).
I thought oak beams smouldered not burned whoosh gone?
How does the structure react to tons of weight suddenly being lost off the top?
Why do I feel happy and uneasy that a couple of families can suddenly come up with vast sums of money to donate?
A million euros sounds generous a hundred million seems a bit excessive.
And why publicise the donation? If it were me I would prefer the warm glow of donating anonymously.
Having suffered living in a G2* property I really hope the rebuilding includes some new materials and techniques. I believe buildings tell more through their evolution and adaption to change of use rather than being kept as a museum piece.
President Trump? Is that you?
Could easily be - he has form in this department..
"40 Wall Street actually was the second-tallest building in downtown Manhattan. And it was actually before the World Trade Center ... the tallest," Trump told New Jersey's WWOR. "And then when they built the World Trade Center, it actually became known as the second tallest, and now it's the tallest."
Apparently not. Nothing to do with tax. Law is different in France and at present donations cannot be offset against tax, only in some exceptional cases. But I expect Macron to change it.
French TV are saying vault needs to be assessed, and still early days.
My friend in Paris is not sure who started the fire but he's got a hunch😮
French TV are saying vault needs to be assessed, and still early days.
I love the way they let the world's media have a tramp around inside the vault (of as-yet unassessed structural stability) as the ashes were still smouldering. Though the opportunity to entomb a Daily Mail reporter was probably too hard to resist.
This will create employment, like the Public Works Admistraion did in America during the great depression
I'm not convinced the skills required to rebuild that will be found at the local job centre tbf..
My friend in Paris is not sure who started the fire but he’s got a hunch😮
Been done on page one..you're late...
Unlike your bike frame..
I’m not convinced the skills required to rebuild that will be found at the local job centre tbf..
Stone masons and blacksmiths aren't usually from upper middle class backgrounds are they? Then there's the planning side, that will employ all sorts of assistants on top of skilled architects etc. Couldn't you also use the project to train some youngsters as apprentices?
There are all sorts of ways a concerted rebuild effort could be used for the public good.
Interesting take on the rebuild here
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2019/04/17/debate-should-notre-dame-rebuilt-mould-original-reimagined-modern/
Replicate or redesign?
I like the idea mentioned earlier of a restoration to take it as far back to the medieval version as they can - with some modern bits thrown in. New meets old etc.
I have yet to meet anyone who wishes that 25 years ago Hampton Court had been given a glass hall on its south front or that at Windsor’s St. George’s Hall should have been a glass atrium rather than the elegant gothic revival interior that is now there.
I think that puts the argument to bed honestly - but I can see the other argument as well. It does strike me as a building that would suit a modern rebuild.
A nasty development:
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-47973354
In a further twist the yellow vests are getting outraged by the way these companies will be getting a 60% tax rebate for the donations they made. Pinault has said he wont be taking the rebate.
The main argument:
However, the outpouring of cash has angered supporters of France's Yellow Vest movement, which noted that President Emmanuel Macron's "rich friends" stood to receive major tax breaks linked to donations in support of the public good and restoring national treasures.
They also pointed out that the sudden willingness of wealthy businesses to turn out their pockets showed that money was available to boost the French government's coffers.
France being a secular country raises the question of government participation in a religious matter. Nice cartoon in the guardian yesterday of the rebuilt ND with all the corporate logos displayed on it.
In a further twist the yellow vests are getting outraged by the way these companies will be getting a 60% tax rebate for the donations they made.
can someone explain how this works?
I thought that it meant that you got the tax you paid on your E100 million earnings either refunded or taken off next years bill - so someone is paying E40million from their own pocket to give E100million?
hardly the genius business move of the century, which is how the yellow jackets are trying to spin it.
Maybe the gilet jaunes should worry more about how much damage they have caused. Town centers are empty and shops struggling.
Can't stand them.
It's a UNESCO world heritage site, can you imagine Macron (or any other president) saying 'not me guv'? it would be electoral suicide. The GJ's can sod off as well, they'd be applying every tax discount available if the shoe was on their foot.
I would be ok with using steel for the roof as per the bbc news article, especially if it becomes part of the stone preservation system (to keep the stone stable if it needs it). I'd be ok with modern additions in some of it tbh, and personally I wouldn't bother putting the spire back, it always seemed a bit of an odd addition that detracts from the bell tower front