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Anyone noticed that Innocent appear to be selling 750ml cartons of smoothies which look pretty similar to the 1 litre ones. Wonder if the price has dropped by 25%?
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Was more interesting when they exploded.
everythings getting smaller! http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-13725050
innocent have been using modified fruit for ages and no one cares.
Apparently a Boysenberry is a Bastid crosbreed of a raspberry and a blackberry!
thats PRACTICALLY GM!
wont some body think of the children?!
They are also selling a 1.25l carton! Wonder if the price has increased by 25% ?!
from their website:
This means our 750ml cartons are cheaper per pack, but cost a bit more per ml than our old 1L cartons. Our 1.25L cartons are a higher price per pack, but are the same price per ml as our 1L cartons.
I think what's a bit sneakier is Yeo Valley sell their small milk in 1 litre bottles rather than 2 pints. so it doesn't look that much more expensive than a regular 2 pint not organic milk.
I blame Coca Cola.
Likewise, speaking after the announcement that Imperial Leather bars would be shrinking, PZ Cussons' finance director Brandon Leigh said shoppers would always resist price rises more than size reductions."The price point has become more important than the size of the product," he added.
"Consumers only have a certain amount of money in their pockets and are paying more for fuel and other items, so I'm sure they would rather this than the price going up."
From the BBC. How does this work then?
Yep, I stopped with Innocent once they did the coke deal. I make my own now, which are better, fresher, and not supporting murdering of Trade Unionists or the plundering of water resources......
11g sugar per 100ml - or 22 teaspoons per litre carton.
Like having 7 sugars in your coffee. 😕
Not to worry, I'm sure ernie will be along soon to cut and paste some indecipherable nonsense to prove some unrelated point. Meanwhile, here's a graph
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I don't care. I care more about the fact that I wish I'd thought of selling overpriced, zapped fruit in fancy cartons, making a big deal about how they're 10 of your 5 a day and made millions from it.
Like having 7 sugars in your coffee.
It's alright though, cos it's natural 😆 8)
LycraLout - MemberNot to worry, I'm sure ernie will be along soon to cut and paste some indecipherable nonsense to prove some unrelated point.
Try to restrict your abuse of people to threads which they have actually posted on mate, like that it gives them a greater opportunity to respond.
Or is that what you were trying to avoid ?
I care more about the fact that I wish I'd thought of selling overpriced, zapped fruit in fancy cartons, making a big deal about how they're 10 of your 5 a day and made millions from it.
That is ridiculously bitter and twisted. Company in making product to sell for profit SHOCKER!!!
PS it's not overpriced either. Last time I tried it was indeed cheaper than buying all the fruit separately. I used to make my own smoothies which were lovely but plenty of work and flippin expensive.
11g sugar per 100ml - or 22 teaspoons per litre carton.
It's almost as if it were made from pure fruit! Oh my god!
You people are bloody ridiculous sometimes, it's quite incredible what you'll find to whinge about! It's almost as if you WANT to be miserable bastards.. like it's some kind of lifestyle choice that you're pursuing.
🙄
What he said ^^^^
Lol @ molgrips, could feel your frustration in that post. You are so right mind.
11g sugar per 100ml - or 22 teaspoons per litre carton.Like having 7 sugars in your coffee.
Best keep away from that 5-a-day advice then.....
You people are bloody ridiculous sometimes, it's quite incredible what you'll find to whinge about! It's almost as if you WANT to be miserable bastards.. like it's some kind of lifestyle choice that you're pursuing.
Just stating a fact my dear fellow. No whinge there. 🙂
Sugars bad irrespective of the form it takes
Bushwacked - Member
Sugars bad irrespective of the form it takesPOSTED 2 MINUTES AGO # REPORT-POST
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Depending on where, or indeed, an apostrophe was meant to go. Do you mean "sugar's" (sugar is) as in the white refined sucrose or all sugars (many types of sugar)?
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Sugars bad irrespective of the form it takes
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Watch your mouth Sonny-Jim
Molgrips for pm!
lol coyote, wondered who would pick up on that 🙂
humour/sarcasm doesn't come across well via the tinterweb does it molgrips? Does suppose it helps having had a humour-removal operation...
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11g sugar per 100ml - or 22 teaspoons per litre carton.
Like having 7 sugars in your coffee.
Erm.... I don't think you're supposed to drink the entire litre in one sitting. 😀
I just had an innocent as part of my breakfast: 180ml carton of strawberries, blackberries and raspberries (lovely):
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[b]Carbohydrate (of which sugars) 9.2g per 100ml[/b] (16.6g for the full 180ml serving) ~ or roughly 4 teaspoons of sugar if you want to express it like that, though this isn't "added sugar", it's just what's in the fruit.
If you'd squeezed [url= http://www.wolframalpha.com/input/?i=100ml+of+fresh+orange+juice ]your own fresh orange juice you might feel more virtuous, but you'd get roughly the same amount of sugar[/url].
So what's the issue?
I guess the real concern is that eventually all FMCGs will reduce in size down to molecular level which will make shopping exponentially difficult, but on the plus side will allow you to carry your entire weekly shop in a small envelope. This'll save resources, petrol - no need to drive to the supermarche - and reduce obesity.
On balance I think Innocent should be applauded for their foresight.
Sugars bad irrespective of the form it takes
Right, so sugary things like apples, bananas and oranges are bad?
Non-sugary things like butter, cheese and chips are good?
That's my new diet sorted. Thanks for the advice.
Innocent smoothies have a low GI by the way...
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Innocent smoothies have a low GI by the way...
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More fuel...
[url= http://nancyappleton.com/141-reasons-sugar-ruins-your-health/ ]Sugars bad... M'Kay![/url]
'sake. That reads like a collection of Daily Mail headlines. 🙂
I suspect you could replace "sugar" with just about any compound and make up a pretty similar list, especially when taken in excessive amounts.
Everything in moderation. I'd love to know what your diet is like if you seriously don't eat anything with ANY sugar in it. 😯
114 "facts"
like this one.
15. Sugar can increase fasting levels of glucose.
Erm Glucose is a sugar.
I suspect you could replace "sugar" with just about any compound and make up a pretty similar list, especially when taken in excessive amounts.
Kid round our way nearly died recently from eating too much curry.
Police came round and found him in a korma.
I blame his nan.
Everything in moderation
Finally someone with some intelligence 🙄
Where did I say anything about me not eating any sugar. I don't eat a great deal (mainly from veg and fruit) as I keep it to a minimum and I've been feeling great since I have made the change.
I blame his nan.
I'm having that. "He was later found in a korma by his nan."
*applauds*
You people are bloody ridiculous sometimes, it's quite incredible what you'll find to whinge about! It's almost as if you WANT to be miserable bastards.. like it's some kind of lifestyle choice that you're pursuing.
It's called "Being British" ... we're world-renowned for moaning about anything and everything we can. Even things that we can easily avoid or have nothing to do with.
Where did I say anything about me not eating any sugar.
This nonsense: [i]"Sugars bad irrespective of the form it takes".[/i]
I don't eat a great deal (mainly from veg and fruit)
And yet here you are objecting to the amount of sugar in a pure [u]fruit[/u] drink. 🙄
I just don't like the lazy "reporting" not actually pointing fingers at anyone here.
BushW the <> was a bit arsey granted, but the rest was almost genuine. big difference between refined sugar (sucrose) and other sugars (maltose, fructose, glucose etc). THe labels on cartons are pretty meaningless when they groups sugars together.
I agree that there is a big difference between refined and natural sugar, but you try to avoid sugar and you'll see how much we consume - and what benefits does it really give us?
GrahamS - MemberWhere did I say anything about me not eating any sugar.
This nonsense: "Sugars bad irrespective of the form it takes".
That's nonsense - I know falling off a bike is bad for you but doesn't stop me doing it. Where in that sentence does it say I don't eat any sugar?
I don't eat a great deal (mainly from veg and fruit)And yet here you are objecting to the amount of sugar in a pure fruit drink.
Where did I object to the amount of sugar in that drink? If you want the benefits of all the goodness available you are far better off making a vegetable juice than a fruit juice. The problem with fruit juices that they can tend to contain too much sugar and you can get addicted to it, so ideally you need to keep everything in moderation. In the same way that there are benefits from red meat or oily fish but you should eat that in moderation too.
Common sense really.
STW forum = no place for common sense.
FACT!
Where in that sentence does it say I don't eat any sugar?... Where did I object to the amount of sugar in that drink?
Silly me. You showed up on the thread while we were discussing the amount of sugar in an innocent smoothie, then declared that all sugar is bad (backed by some flakey evidence) and that you avoid sugar.
I've no idea how I got the idea that you don't eat sugar...
what benefits does it really give us?
Stops your pancreas getting bored?
If you want the benefits of all the goodness available you are far better off making a vegetable juice than a fruit juice.
Still plenty of sugar in a vegetable juice.
4g per 100ml in tomato or carrot juice.
You'd be much better off with a nice glass of melted lard.
No sugar at all in that. 🙂
Still didn't say I don't eat ANY sugar which is the assumption you have some how come to and I don't know how you came to that assumption either so no point asking me.
The levels at which the western world eat sugar is what makes it bad. Hence why I added this to the thread to open up the debate.
No one ever really considers sugar as being bad other than the obvious increase in girth. It's included in most food products but you don't actually need as much as you think or you probably consume. As I said before over consumption is actually quite bad for you and can cause numerous issues.
Dont even get me started on lard.
The levels at which the western world eat sugar is what makes it bad.... over consumption is actually quite bad for you and can cause numerous issues
So actually what you originally meant to say was [i]"[u]EXCESSIVE[/u] Sugar's bad - irrespective of the form it takes"[/i]?
I'd happily agree with that, but that is rather different from suggesting sugar is somehow toxic which is what you seemed to be doing (to me anyway).
Incidentally my wife is a Specialist Registrar in Diabetes & Endocrinology and she has genetic diabetes herself - so I'm very aware of the issues that sugar can bring.
If Sugar is SOOOO bad why did God make it taste so good and put it in some many things?
but seriously if noting else this thread has entertained me whilst I eat my healthy Greek yoghurt with added clotted cream, puree apple and honey!
Graham - If you watch the second clip above - the Dr actually states that Fructose is toxic.
XCwanabe - God knows
Graham - If you watch the second clip above - the Dr actually states that Fructose is toxic.
Timestamp? That "clip" is an hour and a half long. I've got work to do!
........anyway. Apparently they have reduced the size of the cartons without a proportionate reduction in price.
........anyway. Apparently they have reduced the size of the cartons without a proportionate reduction in price.
Which they've acknowledged on their website and in the media (innocent bloke was on Radio 4 the other day talking about it).
He also mentioned it was their first price rise since 2004.
Have you noticed the delivery times from Chain Reaction recently?
Outrageous.
Shocking!
Graham - 20 minutes in almost on the nose
Graham - If you watch the second clip above - the Dr actually states that Fructose is toxic.
Funnily enough, googling "fructose toxic" returns in its top ten a web site debunking that very video.
http://www.diet-blog.com/10/fructose_evil_or_misunderstood.php
which takes us to
http://www.alanaragonblog.com/2010/01/29/the-bitter-truth-about-fructose-alarmism/
This says it all really though, "A recurrent error in Lustig’s lecture is his omission of specifying the dosage and context of his claims." Ie, sure, fructose is toxic, if you go out of your way to isolate it and then consume it at 60% of your diet for a sustained amount of time.
Putting it another way; what noise does a duck make?
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Here's a link you might like: [url= http://theflatearthsociety.org ]The earth is flat!!![/url] 😉
I was asked about medical evidence, it maybe cutting edge medicine but does open up a debate. Interestingly he also makes the point that sugar is not needed for any bodily function.
So back to my point earlier "sugar is bad".
Is it Innocent Smoothies that promise 10% of profits too charity but then conveniently don't register a profit, or was that someone else?
Yeah pretty much what Cougar said. Just asked the missus about this and she said there was some evidence about fructose being toxic in very high quantities, but then most things are. So we're back to sensible moderation.
Incidentally, if you want to avoid fructose then I'm not sure getting your intake of sugar from fruit and veg is the best way to do it 🙂
he also makes the point that sugar is not needed for any bodily function.
Odd then that your body breaks down all carbohydrates into sugar and is powered by [url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Glycolysis ]glycolysis[/url] (which converts sugar into ATP). A process that occurs in nearly all living organisms.
Exclude carb from your diet and you put yourself into [url= http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ketoacidosis ]Ketoacidosis[/url].
Nail on head - carbs are broken down into sugar - so why take on board excess sugar then 😉
The point I've been looking to make all along is that sugar is a lot worse for you than we are lead to believe
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I will not tell you again sunshine.
I'd like to respond but don't seem to have the energy...
The point I've been looking to make all along is that sugar is a lot worse for you than we are lead to believe
Who exactly is leading us to believe sugar is not bad for you?
Refined sugar is bad for you IN GENERAL yes, mainly because of its effect on blood sugar. However it has its uses, in exercise situations for instance.
However fruit is good for you in other ways, and the 'sugar' contained therein is wrapped up in fruit tissue which means the result is low GI therefore much less harmful than sugar on its own.
It's a lot more complicated than 'sugar is bad'. But don't let a bit of ignorance stop you waffling on a forum - I don't 🙂
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A variety of medical expertsWho exactly is leading us to believe sugar is not bad for you?
By the way - the goodness is in the fibre not the juice. The sweetness is to encourage us to eat it.
the goodness is in the fibre not the juice
Actually, it's mostly in the vitamins and minerals - the fibre just helps [i]you[/i] [s]crap[/s] talk
Fibre doesn't do anything except keep you regular. The goodness is in vit C, folic acid, various minerals, polyphenols, loads more stuff like that.
A variety of medical experts
They've not said anything to me. However as above - sugar is not in itself bad for you. Too much refined sugar in the form of high GI foods is bad for you though. We don't go round saying water's bad for you because too much can kill you, do we?
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We don't go round saying water's bad for you because too much can kill you, do we?
You mean you aren't aware of the dangers of dihydrogen monoxide?
http://www.dhmo.org/facts.html
If you watch the second clip above - the Dr actually states that Fructose is toxic.
So is Oxygen.
aren't we all aware that too much water can kill you? there's signs all over the place!!
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on the sugar thing - this is a theory with some evidecne about it. I am not totally convinced myself.
So is Oxygen.
And CO2 and that comes out of your lungs!!!
And nitrogen - 70% of what you're breathing right now....
And chocolate.
phil.w:
Is it Innocent Smoothies that promise 10% of profits too charity but then conveniently don't register a profit, or was that someone else?
They held back half a million from their charity foundation. Sorry, but there is profits to be made....
The glowing image of Innocent, Britain's biggest smoothie maker, has survived most knocks, including exploding bottles in 2007 and a Coca-Cola buyout last year. The company's blend of natural ingredients and chatty branding, helped by a pledge printed on its bottles to donate 10% of the profits to charity, have seen off all comers.But perhaps proving that charity begins at home, Innocent has held on to £520,000 pledged to its charitable foundation in 2007, and has not donated a penny to that foundation since 2008.
Most of the company's charitable giving, which is also promoted on its website, is channelled through the Innocent Foundation, which funds development projects in the countries where Innocent sources its fruit. The foundation funds other charities working on sanitation, health care and microfinance.
The charity has received no funding from Innocent in recent years as the company's expansion drive across Europe, coupled with wider economic downturn, meant it delivered no profits between 2008 and 2010.
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http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2011/may/26/innocent-smoothies-charity-cash
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The charity has received no funding from Innocent in recent years as the company's expansion drive across Europe, coupled with wider economic downturn, meant it delivered no profits between 2008 and 2010
Not so Innocent then.
Reading that article in full it sounds like they relied on the money that was promised to charity to keep them afloat during expansion.