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But it is fairly easy! Click, click, click… knock on the door… delivered.
£3.95 delivery charge.
That’s certainly easier than popping into Asda
It's really not though is it? Chances are you'll pass a supermarket, or shop or chemist or be in there doing some other shopping anyway (unless you buy everything from specialist online ethical retailers?
And even if it was easier to get it online for some reason, it's not easier than using the same click, click to add it to my ASDA delivery along with the rest of my unethical shopping.
It’s more expensive but your argument is a bit ‘but what about meeeee’ to be frank.
Well Frank, I'm just trying to be realistic here. I think asking the general public to spend more than SEVEN times the price for ethical palm-oil-free toothpaste is just not a viable solution.
You're not being realistic though are you, you're defending your lazy, easy, cheap choices and that's why the world will continue to be ****ed over, because people are too lazy/selfish to think about something other than themselves or doing something that might take a little more thought or effort on their part. Nice one!
You’re not being realistic though are you, you’re defending your lazy, easy, cheap choices
Sorry to break it to you, but that is realistic. People like lazy, easy, cheap choices. You won't change that.
Yes it is selfish and lazy and all that other bad stuff. I agree. But I'm afraid that is how people are.
If/when buying palm-oil-free products is as simple as reaching for something else on the shelf then we'll get somewhere.
But while it still involves buying very expensive and unfamiliar brands from specialist retailers, it will only ever appeal to committed environmentalists.
That's shit. But it is realistic.
Shopping is a PITA. you have your traffic light system and now you have to scour a miniscule ingredients list to find out the big bad additives. and when doing that you have to go through three or four options to find one that meets your criteria.
I don't use online food shopping but does it contain a filter option to exclude things based on fat content and particular ingredients?
Yes it is selfish and lazy and all that other bad stuff. I agree. But I’m afraid that is how people are.
So why not change how you do things, bit by bit*? One person changing how they do some stuff is better than nobody doing anything at all 🙂 You never know, it might catch on.
*not saying you haven't/aren't, but the way we've been coming at it from opposite sides would suggest that you're resigned to Just The Way Things Are.
you’re resigned to Just The Way Things Are.
Probably accurate. But when half the products in the average household shopping contain palm oil and there is no interest in changing that, or even labelling it clearly so consumers can make a choice, then I think the battle is already lost. 🙁
(And to be clear, I'm saying that as someone who has been aware of the palm oil issue for over a decade, who supports Orangutan Appeal UK, has visited the rainforest, has written to my MP, and who positively welcomes the Iceland/Greenpeace campaign)
Moving away from the debate about which veg oil requires least land it occurs to me that countries with large amounts of rain forests are essentially exporters of Oxygen. (Unless I've got my science wrong which is likely!) It would be handy if the world could find a way for them to monetize that export to the point where it's not worth then growing bio-oil or food. (Then you have to have the debate about whether food and fuel is more important than oxygen, which given one child dies of hunger every 30 seconds might not be as simple as we think maybe we should be be growing rain forest equivalents in the sea.)
So it turns out Iceland's pledge to remove Palm Oil from it own brand products was really a pledge to remove their Own Brand from their Palm Oil products 🙂
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-46984349
Yeah Spennyy did actually say that on page 2 but I missed it with all the other discussion going on
with Iceland they are removing palm from their own brand products apart from where it’s too expensive, at that point the food is under a 3rd party brand which is theirs and does contain palm.