So how many kms do you reckon that Tesla did in 8 minutes 50, Aracer? More than 40kms in 30 minutes and Jimjam's 25-30 mile range claim is gorssly misleading (I'm being polite here), and that was his intention: to grossly mislead. To take a vid from a very fast race circuit and them quote a range somewhat less than the vid shows and then claim that's what you can get a Tesla down to is misleading.
gorssly misleading (I'm being polite here), and that was his intention: to grossly mislead.
Nope. My intention was initially a query. We all know manufacturers lie about the range and mpg of current cars and I wonder if discrepancies in theoretical range vs real world range were because of exaggerated manufacturer claims or driver enthusiasm.
I'm enjoying a few drinks while I watch the fights so I really can't get into figures, but I can see that even if I was trying to be gorssly misleading I wasn't actually too far off the mark any way you chose to frame it.
I would buy an EV tomorrow if it could compete with conventional cars on size, power, range, price etc.
[quote=Edukator ]So how many kms do you reckon that Tesla did in 8 minutes 50, Aracer?
19.1 😉
More than 40kms in 30 minutes
Yeah, ~65km, which is also a little bit more than 48km, though I note that the actual range in time when driving around there is ~28 minutes 30 seconds, in which time it would do 61.6km (I seem to have already mentioned that figure too...)
and that was his intention: to grossly mislead.
What is your intention in continually mentioning 40km rather than 48km?
To take a vid from a very fast race circuit and them quote a range somewhat less than the vid shows and then claim that's what you can get a Tesla down to is misleading.
somewhat is definitely a better word than grossly. Though I'm not sure what's misleading about using a fast race circuit as proof when it's quite clear he's using a fast race circuit as proof 😆
In case you're confused about my position here and haven't noticed the rest of my contributions, I'm not at all against EVs, but neither am I a fanboi. I'm not in the market for one, but that's mainly because they've not yet reached my level of bangernomics. Though for the sake of this side discussion that's irrelevant, I'm simply interested in the facts.
Thank you, Aracer.
We all know manufacturers lie about the range and mpg of current cars
They don't actually, Jimjam. You just have to drive a car smoothly and within speed limits to get the manufacturers figures or better where I live. We've averaged better than the manufacturer's claim in our petrol Lodgy over a four year period. I do a lot better, Madame isn't far off the oficila figures, and junior who hasn't long learned to drive does about 15% worse than the figures without breaking speed limit. He hasn't learned to anticipate and drive smmothly/economically yet.
Clearly if you hoof it or sit in a traffic jam all day you'll use more fuel than claimed.
Edukator - Reformed TrollThey don't actually, Jimjam. You just have to drive a car smoothly and within speed limits to get the manufacturers figures or better where I live. We've averaged better than the manufacturer's claim in our petrol Lodgy over a four year period. I do a lot better, Madame isn't far off the oficila figures, and junior who hasn't long learned to drive does about 15% worse than the figures without breaking speed limit. He hasn't learned to anticipate and drive smmothly/economically yet.
Clearly if you hoof it or sit in a traffic jam all day you'll use more fuel than claimed.
Well there's no doubt in my mind that you and your wife are incredible drivers but not everyone is blessed with such talent. They might also have to contend with hills, twisty roads, passengers and or luggage of some description, non standard tyres, deviations in pressure, adverse weather conditions, short journeys, air con etc etc etc. But I suppose the point is that most people (to varying degrees) understand that the stated range / mpg of a conventional car is almost within reach under the right circumstances.
With EV's having discrepancies between stated and real world range of 40 or 50% potential customers don't know whether the upper range is ever attainable and with the current infrastructure that's a much bigger problem in an EV than a petrol or diesel (or hybrid).
hills, twisty roads, passengers and or luggage of some description, non standard tyres, deviations in pressure, adverse weather conditions, short journeys,
A significant proportion of our driving is up and down mountain passes to ski resorts on Winter tyres with three in the car and a pile of ski gear. Most of the other journeys are short. It's all down to how you drive, Jimjam. And you make the way you drive abundantly clear on petrolhead threads.
Customers can do test drives and see for themselves what the range is. I was lent a Fluence and then a Kangoo, neither of which met my needs. A day with a Zoé was enough to prove I could do everything I wanted with it.
Edukator - Reformed TrollA significant proportion of our driving is up and down mountain passes to ski resorts on Winter tyres with three in the car and a pile of ski gear. Most of the other journeys are short. It's all down to how you drive, Jimjam.
So are you saying you can meet or exceed the manufacturers mpg claims while driving up a mountain pass to a ski resort with three in a car along with their luggage on winter tyres?
My initial post was in resposne to someone stating the real world range of a Nissan Leaf (155 vs 90) and
Another real world opinion on Leaf range from a Leaf owner.
've owned both a 24kWh and 30kWh Leaf and the 30kWh version is just so much better.If you don't drive like a manic the 30kWh Leaf will go at least 80 miles on a wet, cold and windy winters day with the temperature just above 0 and the heater on. The 24kWh Leaf will do about 60 miles in the same conditions.
https://speakev.com/threads/deciding-between-the-24kwh-or-30kwh.19103/
I'm not opposed to EVs on anything other than practicalities. At present they are more expensive, charging is an issue for anyone without private off street parking, and range is too low for anything other than as a second car. Cold wet windy conditions are a reality for several months of the year. 60-80 miles range is not enough. Just imagine being stuck in a motorway at a standstill having to choose between keeping the car warm or retaining the range to get home.
So are you saying you can meet or exceed the manufacturers mpg claims while driving up a mountain pass to a ski resort with three in a car along with their luggage on winter tyres?
He's an [i]unbelievably[/i] good driver.
Not sure he's got too much time to drive though what with his frequent trips from France to somewhere else in France, via Luton. 😆
A [i]little[/i] embellishment can be believable, however... 😉
The trip off the Lodgy TCE since June last year:
7863km
410l
49.9kmh average
5.6l/100
My own back of envelope calculations are better still, the car doesn't use what the fuel meter shows (or Leclerc pumps give you more than you pay for).
And in answer to your italics this is what Russel Bulgin wrote about my driving in Cars and Car Conversions magazine "The guy who won at Chorley was a bloke named * ******* in what appeared to be the world's oldest Mini. Could he drive? Straight off he made it all look so simple. Easy. Then all his movements were smooth and amazingly fluid; the handbrake turns were spot on, the snap changes from first to reverse ultraclean with the car never, ever stopping. He gave the impression of - if he thought it necessary - being able to barrelroll the car to get a quick time, without so much as bending a panel".
Any embellishment is his not mine, I admit to bending panels in barrelrolls.
Oh, and back on topic. We left for the mountains at lunchtime time with Zoé showing 342km range (you'll note she lost 4km in a day doing nothing if you've been following closely). After a round trip of 76km keeping up with the rest of the traffic and climbing/descending 800m she's showing 291km.
