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Yep - new day - new predictions of doom.
Same people scaring themselves and making the same empty promises.
Sounds like a quote from Blohard.
The goods that I sell will be subjected to a 30% tariff plus whatever fluctuation in the pound euro.
This isn’t scare mongering ,this is fact. It’s also unsustainable.
I’m going to write to my mp and see if I can just go to Belgium buy my goods there and not pay the wto taxes as we have taken back control of our borders.
We haven’t been told how much other everyday stuff will go up.
actually did, and how many of them actually moved once they had the passport.
They are not, of course, the same thing. If anything having the right to another passport reduces the need to move immediately.
I havent got it yet on the grounds that I didnt see it as a massive rush although from what hot_fiat says I may need to get my arse into gear.
Given that the Irish government had to request people to slow down the applications since they were being overwhelmed I would say the numbers are high and thats just for Ireland.
There is then people trying to get French citizenship including that proud defender of Brexit Norman Lamont and for those rich enough (eg most of the Brexit pushing elite) there is Malta with a couple of prominent members of Legatum.
I wonder which imported goods we should start hording now?
Why can citizens of the uk that were born in NI apply for an Eire passport but citizens born elsewhere in the uk can't?
I thought that we were all equal.
Stop watching the news. You won’t notice any difference.
Belgium had no elected government for 1 year and a half (2010 – 2011) and no one was arsed. Everyone just went about their business, watched the cyclocross, and got on the ale. So stand down with the shotgun, oldmanmtb.
+1
I wonder which imported goods we should start hording now?
None. Anything that can be "horded" will just be delayed (and probably more expensive). It's fresh goods and energy that are the short term issues. Both EU & UK have separately worked on plans to keep those moving for the first few months.
Of course that is for "personal" preparations… for business, you need to both increase your parts stock in the UK and finished goods stock in export countries, while also reducing your exposure to likely reduced domestic demand, and trends for those buying your exports to seek out non-UK alternatives. Good luck with that.
Belgium : Having no gov means no state initiated changes (in many sectors this can be a blessing). Quite the opposite of our situation, where we have a government (and opposition) taking us towards a path of maximum disruption.
Belgium : Having no gov means no state initiated changes
Or rather no major changes since the caretaker government could still make policy but nothing significant. Plus a lot of Belgium political power is decentralised
Encourage people to pay more attention to the news, demand better news and better analysis while holding their elected representative to account. That is what is needed from today.
Those who are comfortable and insulated for a bit might like to hide from it but stuff will catch them in the end.
None of that really impinged on me.
Of course it didn't 😂
I'm going to eat Boris Johnsons liver with some fava beans and a nice Chianti
I'll be ok. Got my dual citizenship, so when it all goes wrong I can just up sticks and move to...
Oh.
The US...
I’m going to eat Boris Johnsons liver with some fava beans and a nice Chianti
Full fat fridays are gonna get dark...
I've been tempted to close my Euro account and move the money whilst I get a lot of £/€ but it seems a bit short sighted.
We are reasonably self sufficient in food over the summer but reliant on electricity to keep it over winter and we don't have space to hold enough food anyway.
What I really should do and have been putting off is try and look into my different pensions...
Once the bubble bursts on the pound it could go either way... either we try and rep it propped up by COL increases or let it slide to its natural position... mostly likely a knee jerk set of reactions to both.
On one hand as a reseller of Chinese and far eastern goods and Indian services vs trying to sell over priced UK goods and services ..
Ultimately the main change is going to be an increase in prices of pretty much everything.
The poor suckers who voted for this will be the ones screwed again
(Great) Britain? Historically, yes. Now and in the future – Great? Im not convinced
Are you going to tell him, or shall I?
Pretty much debt free, so I'll keep my head down and work hard (for a Germnay company) and see what happens.
I will howver be booking the day off to witness when Boris, Nigel, Dave and the others have their battered corpses strung up on a scaffold.
Stop watching the news. You won’t notice any difference.
Easy for you to say, if your life is contained within these shores, but for the many people who have made lives across EU borders with family members and assets in different countries, having no deal just isn't a case of "keep calm and carry on".
I suggest the intelligent amongst us stop paying our taxes from now on and stockpile the cash in an offshore account, perhaps BloHard could get his brother to sort out that for us.
I rarely, if ever agree with 5thelephant, but this time...
Hard brexit meets reality and reality will win...Planes will still fly, customs officials will be told to wave lorries through, business will carry on. People at the coalface of the EU cannot afford the luxury of the posturing idiots at westminster, a closed border will mean riots, and that won't be allowed because we have mouths to feed and bills to pay .
Jonhson killed off Hard Brexit with his non speech, no alternative to customs union was offered, just an admission that it makes no sense to erect trade barriers that everyone has spent the last 50 years taking down. Even in the 50's when Imperial Britain was still "a Thing" we chose closer union with Europe instead. He called the chequers deal a "monstrous Heath Robinson" well that was because of him. He is to blame that we didn't have the opportunity to go and negotiate a customs deal with Labour in support. We still have the opportunity to work out a trade deal, talk of "vassalage" from JRM is ludicrous and nonsensical, every deal requires compromise and agreement
We've been promised Out by the head-bangers, but they've also promised frictionless trade which means just one thing: a customs union End of debate.
Remember the Y2K disaster? The reality turned out a lot different.
I’m going to dress like Tina and open a Thunderdome
Y2K : That was years of work, preparation, and money. It wasn't led by government though. I think that might have been key. Also, the timescales and end scenario were known about for decades… making planing, costing and testing far more quantifiable, repeatable, and achievable.
Remember the Y2K disaster? The reality turned out a lot different.
Aaargh! I *ing hate this myth!
The reality was that hundreds of thousand of people worked very *ing hard for years, with appropriate amounts of foresight, planning and humility to make it a non-issue when the clock ticked over!
I'm just going to stroll into a high paid, not effort required job now all the foreigners will be gone and look forward to my next illness and partaking in the NHS's revamped services following the massive cash injection.
Oh wait that was all BS from Leaver's?!
Remember the Y2K disaster? The reality turned out a lot different.
Perfect example, as kelvin points out years of diligent work and contingency planning paid off there
I’m going to be a house husband in the worlds most remote (and boring) city on earth…
I love Perth and WA and would happily cut an arm off to have that opportunity!
I’m going to dress like Tina and open a Thunderdome
Two men enter. One man tries to leave but can't agree a deal?
Remember the Y2K disaster? The reality turned out a lot different.
I misspoke. What I obviously meant was that thanks to years of hard work and planning by many people the reality turned out a lot different. That would have been obvious to those with high intelegense.
a customs union End of debate.
Parliament voted against that on Tuesday evening.
Next?
Why can citizens of the uk that were born in NI apply for an Eire passport but citizens born elsewhere in the uk can’t?
I thought that we were all equal.
One of the elements of the Good Friday agreement
Prior to that, we could always get an Irish passport and (supposedly) not have a British one - but now we can have dual
I rarely, if ever agree with 5thelephant, but this time…
I rarely agree with anything I say.
Moved some ISA savings from UK trackers to worldwide trackers. Probably have a dig into what the pension fund goes into, although its a "big basket" type fund, so unlikely to touch it. Not much in the way of cash savings, so nowt to do there.
Beyond that, suck it up. Things are going to get more expensive for a while. Foreign holidays - be going on less of them I reckon.
nickc if you're going to copy someones homework maybe pick someone better then Simon Jenkins in the Guardian.
There are too many laws, conventions, treaties, agencies, regualtions etc for a simple fudge just to work. Its a terrible oversimplification of the total cluster we would face.
We’ve been promised Out by the head-bangers, but they’ve also promised frictionless trade which means just one thing: a customs union End of debate.
...and if that wasn't the case the UK has already accepted the idea of an indefinite interim period.
There will be a massive 11th hour deal and what comes out of it is going to be a lot like remaining.
The fanatics on both sides of the 'debate' will each talk as though the sky has fallen in, and 90pc of us will carry on as normal.
Retirement for me in Portugal.
Malta for me, start the move next month
the good
will have paid off my 6 month car loan at the end of this month. Work in a sector that could actually pick up in a slight economic downturn. Could cycle to work (but not twice weekly work trips) in case of temporary fuel shortage. 2 superstores and a tesco metro in walking distance. Not on medication.
the bad
tiny house, so nowhere to store food (often food shop twice a week), no chance of growing veg in garden. power, water or gas cuts will make the house unlivable, especially in winter. car has a tiny fuel tank and is diesel. any shortage or rationing I'm in the worst possible scenario. In a true end of days scenario, I'll be one of the first to die.
You do realise nothing will change...
Brexit will happen in name only.
You do realise nothing will change…
Brexit will happen in name only.
That’s a HELL of an assumption, the EU won’t want to give the impression to other members that you can pick and choose the bits that benefit your country and leave the bits some votes find unpalatable, for them the resulting deal HAS to be worse than what we currently have (which all current options are).
Equally the deal is completely political now - even if the Government proposed to dredge the channel and brick up the tunnel, ban any travel in and out of ‘The United Kingdom of White Cliffs, we was at our best during the blitz, we don’t want none of that foreign muck here and Darkies, you just can trust ‘em Super Great Britain’ Boris and Co would say it doesn’t go far enough to try to win favour with Sun Readers. Whatever deal we get, it’ll be argued into the worst of both worlds.
The only way this will become “nothing will change” if things get so bad between now and March that May is forced to admit there’s no good solution and “postpone” A50 until a set of unknown targets are met a-la us joining the Euro.
...the EU won’t want to give the impression to other members that you can pick and choose the bits that benefit your country...
I suspect the UK will be made an example of should we actually leave, otherwise the rot could easily set in, especially after the Catalan vote in Spain and rise of Le Pen in France.
I'm going to start buying up the old Mills in the north West for my new concept of work from home enterprises or "Work Houses" as I plan to call them
People will really get behind a made in Britain tag when they see the kids working there, and the performance management beatings.
There could also be more of a need for private security, you know mean looking chaps in a sharp uniform to protect the new entrepreneurs
Cant understand why you are all being so negative! Its going to be great. We will be taking back control and free to do deals with the US and China direct. We will make far more selling to those markets than we ever will to those in Europe. We even get blue passports back. God save the queen!
These painkillers are making me feel a bit weird....